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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 441

                            Tuesday, July 23rd 1991

Today's Topics:

                                     (none)
                       Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation
                           JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS
                                Re: test outgoing
                                Belgian UFO dates
                            Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee
                                      Media
                            Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee
                         Re: JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS
                             Re: Hi -where ya been?
                                Re: test outgoing
                                   The Coverup
                             Re: Roswell Discussion
                                   The Coverup
                               Re: BUFORA Welcome
                       Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation
                                  severed hand?
                             UFO program on cable TV
                                Re: test outgoing

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From: ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 19 Jul 91 21:35:16 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


Subject: Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation

Linda Bird suggests...

?  RE:  Star Trek Episode called 'First Contact'
?  Ask Don Ecker of 'ASK UFO' what he can find out about where the
?  writers got their ideas.

Can you help, Don?

Greg ([e-mail])





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From: [e-mail] (Felipe Cantu)
Subject: JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS
Date: 19 Jul 91 16:38:00 GMT

Does anyone out there know if John Lear's new hypothesis is posted on
any boards around the U.S. , or know any information about it. This is
supposed to be some of what he shared at the West Coast UFO Conference
back in June in Los Angeles.  His posisitomn of late has been rumored
that things are so far along that "the screaming will all be over
before anyting can even be done".  Now he is supposed to have new
information that may shed a little different light on this matter. This
is all I know and wondered if anyone else has heard anything.
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: test outgoing
Date: 19 Jul 91 16:31:00 GMT

Awright! A Seattle node! Say hi to Bob Gribble for us!! (Oh, and I guess
Dale Goudie too).

Jim

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From: ncar!uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Belgian UFO dates
Date: 20 Jul 91 21:33:50 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

I am trying to get specific dates for incidents related to the so-called
Belgian UFO.  So far I have these:

29 November 1989:   Massive sightings by at least 30 groups of witnesses
                    between Liege and Eupen.

30 March 1990:      Belgian Air Force scrambles two F-16s in response to
                    ground sightings; multiple radar locks obtained by
                    both ground and airborne radar.

22 June 1990:       Belgian Air Force releases detailed information on the
                    30 March 1990 sightings, including radar recordings.
                    Conclusion:  'Unable to identify either the nature or
                    the origin of the phenomena.'  Balloons, ultralights,
                    remotely-piloted vehicles, conventional aircraft,
                    stealth aircraft, laser projections, and mirages all
                    ruled out.

6 November 1990:    Various sightings all over Europe.  Paris Air Traffic
                    Control sees the Triangle but nothing shows on radar.
                    Others report triangles, balls, lights, smokes, etc.
                    Locations include France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland,
                    and Italy.

Sometime near the end of this sequence (November-December 1990 or perhaps
January 1991) there were sightings in Spain as well.  Does anybody have
details about exactly what was seen there, as well as when, and where?




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee
Date: 20 Jul 91 19:11:00 GMT



 > I can't believe you even mention what Ed did as a teenager in the same
 > sentence with what happened 30 years later. When I was 11, I went out
 > joy riding in a stolen car, does that ban me the rest of my life as a
 > photograph hoaxer? Now if you told me that Ed is a accomplished
 > photographer and has a extensive back ground in that field then I would
 > say that you might have just cause for concern.

First of all, as I've said before, I agree that Ed's teenage violations are
not of great consequence (as long as they are isolated incidents and not part
of a pattern of creative deception). The only reason they have become an issue
in this case is because of MUFON's attempts to hide them and/or change the
character of the violations. At first, we were told that Ed had some problems
as a teenager. Then we were told he went for a joyride in a stolen vehicle.
Then, much later, we were told that he had been convicted of forgery. If MUFON
had been forthright about Ed's record from the beginning, it would not be an
issue. *Plenty* of UFO witnesses have criminal records. The issue is not Ed's
record, but MUFON's deliberate attempt to gloss over it. As for it being "none
of our business", what if MUFON had arbitrarily decided that Ed's ghost/demon
photos had been "none of our business"? It seems to me that, if MUFON's
objective is widespread belief in the UFO phenomenon, then it behooves them to
be as forthright with all the salient facts, in order for us to determine for
ourselves what is and is not relevant. Anything short of full disclosure
raises the spectre of "cover-up" - "What ELSE have they decided is `none of
our business'? What ELSE aren't they telling us?"


 > doesn't pertain to the case, then its none of our bbusines. Thyer is a
 > lot more to Ed's case then most people know and you or I won't know
 > until Ed decides to tell us. And if people keep bring up his past like
 > you seem to like to do, we will probably never know what really happen
 > the first and the last time he encountered the craft. This was left out
 > of his book for a reason and I think because they thought that the
 > public wasn't ready for it.


Forgive me if I believe that it was because his publisher wasn't ready for it
- they smell another book in that particular incident as much as he does.
(Yes, I DO know some of the details of what you're referring to.)


Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Media
Date: 20 Jul 91 19:12:00 GMT


 >  >  One of them caught my eye as it is named "Flying Disks
 >  > BBS" the number is 7-014-268-4911 (FidoNet Node 2:490/40.401),
 >  > if I spoke Russian I might give it a try, anyone out there who
 >  > can?
 >
 >   Many of us could send netmail to that Fido address. Problem is, I
 > don't know any Russian or whatever dialect might be spoken in the bbs
 > location. Maybe someone there can read and write English. We could
 > always give it a try and see if we ever get an answer.
 >

FYI, I have been in touch with a couple of Russian nodes, and they speak very
passable English (although one of them speaks almost exactly like Boris
Badenov!)

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee
Date: 20 Jul 91 20:34:00 GMT

If, as you state "..there is a lot more to the case then most people
know and you or I wo'nt know until ED decides to tell us.." why are you
such a strong advocate for GB being *the truth*??  I've looked at the
published photos and to me they are about as hoaky looking as they
come.  ED gets crystal clear photos of moving objects even when the
background is smeared becuase he just happened to move the camera at
EXACTLY the right speed to match the movement of the UFO???  He takes
night photos with video that have no video hash????  Videos in low
light have more hash then his do in total darkness!!  When he has to
use a camera that can't be tinkered with (the nimslo) he just can't
seem to get his "typical" good photos but can only get some fuzzy
lights that show nothing?!?!?..    And when he takes people out with
him somehow only HE sees and photos anything that is identifiable.  The
others somehow always miss it, unless it is some nondescript far in the
distance glow that could be anything.  His photos have even been
duplicated virtually down to the last detail simply using the "found"
model yet we are to believe ED couldn't have hoaxed his copies dispite
the incredible similarity between the "real" ones and the known fakes.
  His strongest supporting analyst, Macabee, somehow can't even figure
out how to estimate the size from a photo of the object at a known
distance hovering over a road of known width, a truely trivial analysis
yet somehow overlooked.
  In spite of these numerous and obvious contradictions in "the story"
and in the "evidence" you see no reason for any doubt????
  Inablity to disprove something is NOT the same as proof.  Even if we
were to tentatively accept the ED story as true what would we have then
that moves us any farther forward in the search for the answer??
--
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS
Date: 20 Jul 91 20:37:00 GMT

""..the screaming will all be over..."
  What's new about that???  That's seems to be what he's been saying
for years.  The "..truth is about to come out.." and variations on that
theme have been *imminent" for the last 40 years same as Christ's
second coming.
--
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been?
Date: 21 Jul 91 16:43:00 GMT

Hi Clark,

Great to hear from you!  Must be super to have a 9600 baud computer
now.  I'm still working with our 2400 system.

Cheer up!  I'll be talking at ya soon.

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: test outgoing
Date: 21 Jul 91 16:51:00 GMT

Greetings to the lovely City of Seattle.  I was there in l979 and I
found it to be a beautiful and progressive city with a lot of charm.

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: The Coverup
Date: 20 Jul 91 06:33:23 GMT

You were commenting to another couple of users and
I found the statements to be quite similar to some
of my own recent musings and speculations....
 >
 > The existence of a cover-up is ultimately up to the
 > UFO-nauts themselves.
      .......
 > The fact that they keep such a low profile is the
 > only thing that keeps the notion of a coverup alive.

That is a fresh idea!  A cover-up or is it more of
a cover-around for containment?

I've recently toyed with the idea that the Greys and
other similar reports are a synthetic race, perhaps
android and controlled by a machine intelligence.
This could account for the reports of hesitance on
the behalf of "group encounters" with them.  The machine
intelligence can't possibly be prepared for all of our
many unusual responses and may be confused by mankind
working at cross-purposes to himself.

I remember the comments of an Air Force captain that I
questioned during the Apollo 11 moon-mission.  He said the
Air Force and many other agencies did NOT know what was
going on and that disclosure to the public would indeed
be troublesome in any scenario.....

--
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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Re: Roswell Discussion
Date: 19 Jul 91 07:47:43 GMT

What you said at the end of a lengthy piece....
 >
 > I do not advocate jumping on the "alien" bandwagon.
 > However, I do not eliminate this as a very viable
 > possibility, again, with the information from reliable
 > sources to date.  We will have to see where this goes,
 > but again, it is important to raise solid counter-
 > issues with something to back it up.
 >
Hey, what about this scenario....

Alien craft is attacked by another alien craft.  Doomed
craft crashed in Roswell, NM and the local authorities
pack up the remains efficiently, quickly, squelch the
noises being made by the press.  The other aliens hijack
the remains in mid-flight and the very same local air
officialdom that unwittingly aided these beings are now
left holding a weather balloon for their "evidence"...

So with that out of the way, I feel certain that there
exists the possibility for our differing cultures to live
together in this universe.  Leaving the air force with a
balloon instead of advanced technologies demonstrates to
my way of thinking that they've at least got a sense of
humor....and?

Hey Mo!  (honk, *BANG!*)

   ....nyuck, nyuck, nyuck, nyuck, nyuck....

--
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: The Coverup
Date: 19 Jul 91 16:40:35 GMT


 JB> This has been my opinion for a long time.  The existence of a
 JB> cover-up is ultimately up to the UFOnauts themselves.  If they
 JB> ever decided to get really bold, the government's efforts at
 JB> "damage control" would be futile.  The fact that they keep such a
 JB> low profile is the only thing that keeps the notion of a coverup
 JB> alive.  If those little wimps had any guts at all, they'd
 JB> interrupt the halftime show at the next Super Bowl!

Haha!  What gets me is the justification offered by those who say they are
walking amoung us.  "Oh!  They do not want to upset the delicate balance and
equalibrium of our society by announcing their presense to us!  The world isn't
ready yet...blah...blah...blah."  Nice try.  I WANT my equalibrium disturbed.
I *challenge* them to shock us by simply showing up where they cannot be
shrugged off as passing weather balloons (boy that excuse is getting old, isn't
it).  In my view...we should be demanding this as a group, and not be forced to
send serious researchers running around the globe examining corn crops every
time a gopher farts.  This isn't a GAME!  If they really DO exist and is not
just wishful thinking on our parts, then they should stop wasting time and show
themselves!  Even Hollywood is running out of 'Close Encounter' scripts as it
has all been done already.

Well...I have said this all before.  When?  Over ten years ago!  Guess what...
it will be another ten years and my statements most likely will not have
changed by any real events taking place.  Mundane life goes on (IMHO).

__ParaNet Alpha-Epsilon  WASH DC.
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From: [e-mail] (James Nugent)
Subject: Re: BUFORA Welcome
Date: 21 Jul 91 02:27:00 GMT

Michael,

Been a while since I've talked with you.  Do you know where I can write to
get a subscription to BUFORA Journal?

Best,
James.

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From: [e-mail] (James Nugent)
Subject: Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation
Date: 21 Jul 91 02:31:00 GMT

Greg,

I watched that epsiode of Star Trek: The Next Generation.  I was thinking
the same thing when I watched it.  I think It is just a further atempt to
condition the people for what is to come...   A PUBLIC LANDING OF AN ALIEN
RACE.

You can write the producers to find out about it.  Sorry I do not have the
address.

James

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: severed hand?
Date: 21 Jul 91 19:01:00 GMT


 vcc>     20-year history he has seen groups come and go.  'Take AI-TRAD
 vcc> with a grain of salt,' he says.  Don Berliner, of The Fund for UFO
 vcc> Research, adds, 'It sounds like another nutty operation to me.'
 vcc>
 vcc>     Still, Mikules isn't worried.  'Quite frankly,' he says, "we have
 vcc> the money and the power to do practically anything we want.'


And THAT is the scariest reality of this whole fiasco.



--
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: UFO program on cable TV
Date: 22 Jul 91 17:17:17 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

The following was posted to alt.alien.visitors recently.  If anyone has any
questions, mail to [e-mail], not to me. I'm only
posting it for informational purposes. I have no connection with the
author.

'Now' is July 16.

+In the past I've been requested to let people know when I was
+having a show on that would be of interest to this group.  Last
+week I made two shows; the first was pretty funny with AMES AND
+NASA about the early developement of air craft all the way up to
+the F=18, only normal people would like that one.  The next show
+was with a person who writes on this group by the name of Showen.
+It contains all sorts of information about UFO's and also has videoes
+of the craft in flight.  It will be on two weeks from now, tuesday
+evening at 5:30 pm and thursday night at 9:30 pm.  For the people of
+this group I think it would hold your interest.  It will be on Heritafge
+Community Channel 2=b in San Jose, then on Cupertino, Palo Alto, Newark
+and last of all Los Gatos, Calif.  I'll leave you with this saying;
+a diplomat is a fellow who when asked his favorite color replies
+'plaid'.
+Standard Disclaimer.
+John.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schuyler)
Subject: Re: test outgoing
Date: 23 Jul 91 01:48:00 GMT

Thanks! I'm still having *trouble* with these darn packets, and I can't
seem to get zone 9 working right. I hope everyone is patient with me.
I'm determined to make this work right.

There is a MUFON meeting in Seattle this weekend I hope to attend to
promote the new node. Then, I suppose, I'll have to wait in line to get
on my own board. At least I hope so.
--
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 442

                             Friday, July 26th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                     (none)
                            Settling the whole issue?
                                  CROP CIRCLES
                                 Abduction Case
                                     (none)
                                   The Coverup
                                   The Coverup
                                     ST TNG
                         Star Trek--The Next Generation
                            ST:TNG -- 'First Contact'
                                      Lear
                                   New Planet
                             Re: Hi -where ya been?
                                      SS433
                                 Re: The Coverup
                                Re: test outgoing
                                   A Good Read
                          Crash at the Nevada Test Site
                                 Gerald Anderson
                                   GULF BREEZE

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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 23 Jul 91 15:41:39 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


Subject:  Settling the whole issue?

Michael Corbin writes, regarding the Roswell case:

?  Granted, it is not the flying-saucer-lands-on-the-White-House-Lawn that
?  would settle this business once and for all, but it does prove that many
?  people were involved in a highly organized effort to clean up a crash
?  site where something very strange crashed.

I'm a little confused here.  Would a 'White House' landing convince you of
the presence of aliens?  Is that what you meant?  How do we know that
humans do not now have the capability to make a 'flying saucer'?
Couldn't such a landing be a 'hoax' by our government or someone else?

You have obviously spent a great deal of time and energy researching
phenomena related to UFOs in an objective manner.  Would you then throw
that all away and just believe what you saw?  Where is the physical
evidence of alien involvement in such an event?

Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant.

Greg ([e-mail])





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From: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble
Subject: CROP CIRCLES
Date: 23 Jul 91 17:57:57 GMT

From: Steve Gamble x3293 <[e-mail]>



I have just returned to the UK after visiting the MUFON Conference
in Chicago. There was much debate about crop circles, particularly
circles from the UK, at the Conference so I thought I would send
a brief update on what appears to be happening.

First thing is that there appear to be a higher proportion of hoaxes
this year, presumably following extensive media exposure of the subject
last year.

There were few reports in the early part of the year, maybe only a
couple of dozen. About the time of the MUFON conference the number
of reports began to pick up. At the conference Colin Andrews said
he understood that the number of new reports had reached about 15
per day (similar to the peak rate last year). It appears, however,
that the rate has reached two or three per day (i.e. 15 in the
five days Colin had been away from home - perhaps he misunderstood
the message or he knows about many more reports than the other
circles researchers).

There appear to be fewer single circles this year. Paul Fuller
told me that there were quite a few 'dumbell' formations, two
circles connected by a spur. Some people are classifying these
as pictograms although personally I would resrict such a name
to the more complex formations with several circles joined by
spurs and with multiple extended features such as combs. Paul
told me there were also more of these complex pictograms as
well.

There are at least two reports from the Midlands, these tend
to be much rarer than further south. The first was a 65 feet
wide circle found in oil seed rape (in the US known as something
like swagname grass??? - woody stemed plant with bright yellow
flowers with very oily seeds) near Market Harborough. This was
found in the first week of June.

The second circle was found near Wellingborough in Northamptonshire
last week, but I have no more information as yet.

Incidentally, Mike Chorost presented some very interesting material
at the MUFON Conference about the apparent reduction of soil obtained
from a circles sites. As Mike admitted, it was only from two circles
so much more work will need to be done. It is possible that one circle
was from Tennesse on 17th May 91, but I am not sure on that. The
reduction effect was detected by measuring a lowering of the alpha
radiation from the soil. Since alpha particles are helium nuclei, Mike
suggests that electron have been added to the soil thereby neutalising
the alpha particles (at least that's what I understood him to say).
This might suggest some mechanism like the charged vortex that Terence
Meaden has been proposing is at work. I think it is too early to
discount the other theories of circle formation, but this could look
good for Meaden's theory.

STEVE GAMBLE
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Abduction Case
Date: 22 Jul 91 22:22:00 GMT

Steve:

First, welcome to ParaNet. Your organization is a much-needed addition
to this network.

Second, a few months ago a program aired on American television on the
subject of abductions. One of the three segments centered on a case
involving a police officer in Yorkshire by the name of Alan Godfrey. I
wondered if you were familiar with this case, and how it is regarded in
the UK. It seemed a very interesting case on this end, but I had never
heard of it before.

Thanks,
        Jim Speiser


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: (none)
Date: 24 Jul 91 01:17:00 GMT


 > From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
 > Date: 23 Jul 91 15:41:39 GMT
 > Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 > Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >
 > From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)
 >
 > Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant.

You did.  My comments about the landing were to imply that the alien business
might be solved by those who believe that aliens are visiting this planet.
Again, I require much more proof before I would believe anything.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: The Coverup
Date: 24 Jul 91 04:33:00 GMT

Kurt Lochner writes:

 > You were commenting to another couple of users and
 > I found the statements to be quite similar to some
 > of my own recent musings and speculations....
 >  >
 >  > The existence of a cover-up is ultimately up to the
 >  > UFO-nauts themselves.
 >       .......
 >
 > That is a fresh idea!  A cover-up or is it more of
 > a cover-around for containment?

A "cover-around" is more like it!  They seem to be more
concerned with containment which would be consistent with the
"flap" phenomenon.

 >
 > I've recently toyed with the idea that the Greys and
 > other similar reports are a synthetic race, perhaps
 > android and controlled by a machine intelligence.
 > This could account for the reports of hesitance on
 > the behalf of "group encounters" with them.  The machine
 > intelligence can't possibly be prepared for all of our
 > many unusual responses and may be confused by mankind
 > working at cross-purposes to himself.

The android explanation would also get some support from the
reports that Len Stringfield has published about Graylien
anatomy:  no digestive system, no sex organs, etc.  It's an
interesting idea.  Come to think of it, nobody ever said that
they found a toilet seat in the Roswell debris, did they?

                                     --  John

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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: The Coverup
Date: 24 Jul 91 04:47:00 GMT

Steve Rose writes:

 >
 > Haha!  What gets me is the justification offered by those
 > who say they are walking amoung us.  "Oh!  They do not want
 > to upset the delicate balance and equalibrium of our
 > society by announcing their presense to us!  The world
 > isn't ready yet...blah...blah...blah."  Nice try.  I WANT
 > my equalibrium disturbed.  I *challenge* them to shock us
 > by simply showing up where they cannot be shrugged off as
 > passing weather balloons (boy that excuse is getting old,
 > isn't it).  In my view...we should be demanding this as a
 > group, and not be forced to send serious researchers
 > running around the globe examining corn crops every time a
 > gopher farts.  This isn't a GAME!  If they really DO exist
 > and is not just wishful thinking on our parts, then they
 > should stop wasting time and show themselves!  Even
 > Hollywood is running out of 'Close Encounter' scripts as it
 > has all been done already.
 >

That's the spirit!  Maybe we can just "shame" them out into the
open somehow.  Hmm ...
                                    --  John

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: ST TNG
Date: 23 Jul 91 23:40:00 GMT

In reference to Star Trek - The Next Generation:

 > Linda Bird suggests...
 >
 > ?  RE:  Star Trek Episode called 'First Contact'
 > ?  Ask Don Ecker of 'ASK UFO' what he can find out about where the
 > ?  writers got their ideas.
 >
 > Can you help, Don?

I do know two writers with ST-TNG and from what I was told, general UFO
information and speculation on the manner that "first contact" would be
handled was the crux of this segment.

Hope this helps.

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Star Trek--The Next Generation
Date: 22 Jul 91 21:04:39 GMT

In a message to ecn.purdue.edu!lush <20 Jul 91 19:31> James Nugent wrote:

 JN> I watched that epsiode of Star Trek: The Next Generation.  I was
 JN> thinking the same thing when I watched it.  I think It is just a
 JN> further atempt to condition the people for what is to come...   A
 JN> PUBLIC LANDING OF AN ALIEN RACE.

Gee...I guess there is no account for simple writer's imagination anymore.  I
guess now they are mandated to write every script with an ulterior motive. ;-)

ParaNet Alpha-Epsilon

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: ST:TNG -- 'First Contact'
Date: 25 Jul 91 05:36:54 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

Add me to the list of people who were blown away by the resemblance of the
government's reactions in Star Trek to what our own government might be
going through -- the idea that the public isn't ready for it, and all that.
The *really* good part was the line about how even though they're going to
keep it a secret, there would be rumors...

I don't know if anyone on the *current* staff is into UFOlogy, but the
credits used to list 'Creative Consultant: Tracy Torme' and there were
several incidents that could've been interpreted as coming from his hobby.
And then there was the dead giveaway:  an episode in which a couple of crew
members had missing time, and discovered that they had been abducted for
genetic engineering purposes by a dieing race!

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Lear
Date: 25 Jul 91 05:37:48 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

To: Felipe Cantu

+back in June in Los Angeles.  His posisitomn of late has been rumored
+that things are so far along that 'the screaming will all be over
+before anyting can even be done'.  Now he is supposed to have new
+information that may shed a little different light on this matter. This
+is all I know and wondered if anyone else has heard anything.

I haven't heard anything about Lear recently, but I heard that Paul
Bennewitz says that the base under Archuleta Mesa was destroyed a couple
of years ago.  The Greys were making cocaine and one of them shot an
officer who was trying to stop them, so Delta Force trashed the place.

So I guess the aliens aren't as invincible as they're supposed to be.

Just for kicks, has anyone heard about the DEA seizing any land in the area
in that time frame?  There was supposed to be quite a bit of cocaine left
at the base, and the DEA allegedly controls the entire mountain.

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: New Planet
Date: 25 Jul 91 06:53:00 GMT

Tonite  ( July 24, 1991 ) on CNN, it was announce that British Astronomer
Andrew Lyne, using the Gordell Buck radiotelescope in Cheshire, England, UK
discovered the first known planet outside of our solar system.

CNN reported that Lyne stated that the planet was approx. 10 X larger than
Earth, and is in a 6 month orbit around a Pulsar about 30 Light Years from us.
He also was reported as stating that "scientists agree that chances of life
out there are pretty good."

All the above would seem to put additional credence in Sitchen's thesis as it
is now understood.  FYI

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been?
Date: 23 Jul 91 18:42:00 GMT

LB>Cheer up!  I'll be talking at ya soon.
LB>

Hi Linda!  Thanks ... I feel better already!  The 9600 CompuCom is a nice
addition, although it can't talk to US Robotics or Hayes 9600 modems because
it's v.29, not v.32/v.32bis.  Still it's a boon and it was free (well, not
free, but "payment in kind" for some copywriting I did a while back).


LB>computer now.  I'm still working with our 2400 system.

Nothing wrong with 2400!  Actually, if you have a 2400 MNP modem, things
will still go faster because I've got MNP4 & MNP5 now.

Nice typing at ya!

Best,
  Clark

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From: uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: SS433
Date: 25 Jul 91 15:13:46 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

If anyone is still interested in stellar object SS433, check out the
book 'The Quest for SS433' by David H. Clark.  It was published in 1986
under the Adam Hilger imprint by IOP Publishing, Ltd, Techno House,
Redcliffe Way, Bristol BS1 6NX, England.

The book describes the scientific wild-goose chase that resulted in the
identification of SS433 as a binary star of somewhat bizarre, but
neverthless comprehensible, configuration.  It not only nails down
SS433 pretty well, but it also gives some insights into how science
really gets done.  Things don't always work out the way they're
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: The Coverup
Date: 24 Jul 91 23:33:00 GMT

Hi Kurt

Regarding the Greys:  yu think they are some sort of android.  It's
possible.  And, perhaps they are some sort of lower life form (from
somewhere) that has been genetically altered in the realm of
intelligence because dipictions of them do not indicate them to be a
higher life form physically (compared to our standards).  To me, they
just don't seem to be physically strong enough to build the machines
they fly.  They also do not seem to have an opposable thumb.  (They
also donn't seem to be wearing any clothes!  :-(

Regards,

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: test outgoing
Date: 24 Jul 91 23:40:00 GMT

Hi Michael,
  Sounds like you have a busy group up there.  There's a lady in
Seattle by the name of Aileen Edwards who runs a group called "UFO
Contactees Center International."  Ask your MUFON group what they have
to say about this organization, then post it here, will you?  Thanks.
(I'm not trying to flame this lady, just want some info.)

Regards,

Linda Bird
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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: A Good Read
Date: 26 Jul 91 07:00:00 GMT

Check out the August issue of _Atlantic Monthly_ magazine.  At
pg. 82 there is a nice article about Dr. Leo Sprinkle's 1991
Rocky Mountain UFO Conference.

It's nice to see "mainstream media" do a story like this:  no
snide remarks, no judgmental attitude, no quips about "Billy Bob
and his uncle/brother Joe Bob" being "the only people who see
UFOs".  Perhaps times ARE changing!
                                         --  John

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From: [e-mail] (sm)
Subject: Crash at the Nevada Test Site
Date: 26 Jul 91 05:59:00 GMT

ParaNet has just learned from our correspondent in Las Vegas, NV that a
helicopter carrying employees of EG&G and Wackenhut Security crashed on the
test site.  The reports labeled the crash as "mysterious."  Another media
source stated that there was a strange energy burst detected just prior to the
crash at about 9:30 P.M. yesterday.  We will update this story as more details
become available.

ParaNet Information Service

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From: [e-mail] (sm)
Subject: Gerald Anderson
Date: 26 Jul 91 06:04:00 GMT

ParaNet has talked to Stan Friedman who has reported that Gerald Anderson, the
alleged witness to alien bodies at the Roswell crash, has passed a lie
detector test.

Gerald Anderson claims that he witnessed alien bodies near a crash site in
1947 when he was a little boy.  He claims that one of the aliens was alive at
the time.  Although there is considerable controversy surrounding Anderson's
story, the polygraph exam is one way in which Friedman is attempting to verify
Anderson's story.  There is a diary involved in Friedman's investigation which
shows signs of being altered and may contain what Freidman calls
"disinformation."

We will keep you updated as more information comes in.

ParaNet Information Service

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: GULF BREEZE
Date: 24 Jul 91 16:28:00 GMT

Jim; Sinse you and Jim Speiser both responsed with about the same argument,I
will try to answer you questions as one. You mention that I'm a strong advocate
for GB and that is true. This is a true statement. I try to run my
investigations and life using logic and from all the information that has come
out of GB shows that beyond a reasonable doubt that there are strange craft
visiting this area that are not something known on this earth.  I have progress
far beyond the point that if Ed's pictures are real or not. This, from all the
facts that have been presented to all show that is indeed very possible. The
350 other witness, Nippon TV, etc. have back up Ed's claim. The statement that
you made about others not being with Ed at the time is false. My good friend
Jiles Hamilton was giving a lecture at a church when one flew over, 40 people
including Ed saw this object and Ed photograph it. He was the only one that had
a camera at the time. It showed to be a type 2 craft that Ed photograph earlier
in his encounters.   You and Jim have both missed the train, while most others
have boarded and have long departed on the other questions as WHO, WHAT, How
and Where,you two are still arguing over if that was the right train or not.
   Yes; if you are curious, I am a State Section Director for MUFON and I took
over the job when MUFON ask Willy Smith to step down after his famous statement
to the press. I also spent a few days up in Gulf Breeze during Ed's encounters.
I also had the privilege to meet Mr. Walters and found him to be a sincere and
honest person but this has not swayed my view on GB. I have tried to approach
this whole incident from a logical view and not from Ed's past history or if
MUFON is holding back information.   I also wrote a lengthly letter to MUFON on
Bruce's photo analyze and mention that both Rex and Bruce could not make a
accurate determination because there were a lot of information needed that was
missing. I been involved in precision optics for over 30 years and a engineer
for a rather large Aerospace company at the time. My report was not printed or
mention anywhere. No problem with that because I have moved on to better things
as a lot of others have done.    We must ALL start working together for the
common cause and not let our personal feelings or ambitions get in the way. I
really don't care if aperson belongs to MUFON, CUFOS or any other organization.
What I'm interestedin is what they have found in their research and
investigations. If this person or organization feels that its needs to keep
some information from us then they must have a good reason for this and I will
have to except it.   I do this quite often in my postings on the various echos.
Sorry, but I just won't tell the whole story because of reasons I feel should
not betold. I might add that if you see one of my "what if" posted, look at it
real close because it might have some very important information locked up in
it. One must not forget that Florida is a haven for retired mititary and
others. And if use the philosophy "seek and you will find" then you will find.
   BTW, Central Florida is putting on a symposium in August at the Disney World
village. Some of the top researchers in the country will be there,hope you can
make it. Also Orlando will have open to the public the "FirstWorld UFO Museum
and Research Library". This is a great step forward to letting the general
public know what is happening around the world. If you need anymore
information about these two items let me know.
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 443

                             Sunday, July 28th 1991

Today's Topics:

                             Miscellaneous questions
                       New Planet and other strange things
                                     (none)
                              Re: Planet Discovered
                              Re: Planet Discovered
                    Astronomers discover possible new planet
                              Re: Aliens Are Coming
                             Re: Hi -where ya been?
                                      Lear
                          Crash at the Nevada Test Site
                                    Re: Lear

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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject:  Miscellaneous questions
Date: 26 Jul 91 17:53:15 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


? From: Steve Gamble x3293 <[e-mail]>

?  First thing is that there appear to be a higher proportion of
?  hoaxes this year, presumably following extensive media
?  exposure of the subject last year.

Can you tell us how it is determined that a crop pattern is a hoax?

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?  From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
?  Regarding: ST TNG
?  Date: 23 Jul 91 23:40:00 GMT
?
?  I do know two writers with ST-TNG and from what I was told, general UFO
?  information and speculation on the manner that 'first contact' would be
?  handled was the crux of this segment.
?
?  Hope this helps.
?
?  Don
?

Yes.  Thank You.

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?  From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
?  Subject: Star Trek--The Next Generation
?  Date: 22 Jul 91 21:04:39 GMT
?
?  Gee...I guess there is no account for simple writer's imagination anymore.  I
?  guess now they are mandated to write every script with an ulterior motive. ;-)

Steve,

Speaking for myself, I *DID* ascribe the bulk of the show to
such an individual's imagination.  However, the striking
resemblance of the text to UFO literature and 'small talk'
(postings on newsgroups) caught my attention.  I wasn't
ascribing any kind of intrigue, I was merely intrigued.

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?From: [e-mail] (sm)

?Regarding:  Crash at the Nevada Test Site

?  ParaNet has just learned from our correspondent in Las Vegas, NV
?  that a helicopter carrying employees of EG&G and Wackenhut Security
?  crashed on the test site.  The reports labeled the crash as
?  'mysterious.'  Another media source stated that there was a strange
?  energy burst detected just prior to the crash at about 9:30 P.M.
?  yesterday.  We will update this story as more details become available.
?
?  ParaNet Information Service

I realize it's still early, but I had some questions that I would ask
you to look out for.  What are the media sources?  Can you point out a
newspaper account?  How was the 'energy burst' detected?  Was it a burst
of light, or a sonic boom, or something else?  Was it a single burst or
a double burst, or...  Is this the test site where the nuclear tests
are done?  What is Wackenhut Security?

Greg ([e-mail])





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From: dg-rtp.dg.com!grossg
Subject: New Planet and other strange things
Date: 26 Jul 91 19:52:08 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gene Gross)

Well, I've got a little time this afternoon, maybe I can add some
thoughts to the discussions.

The newly discovered planet is certainly the first.  However, some
evidence exists that there are others.  Confirmation could come at any
time.  These objects are extremely far away, even by galaxtic
standards, and require much more effort on the part of astronomers.

Wouldn't be surprized if we suddenly had a rash of confirmations of
new planets out there.  That is just the way things seem to happen.

As for the Greys, not being a firm believer in aliens (not denying the
possibility, but I'm from Missouri on this), I think the speculation
needn't be so fanciful.  If they exist, why couldn't they be a higher
form of insect?  Notice that worker bees do not have sex organs, and
in some cases, do not have fully developed digestive tracks.  They
exist only to gather nectar and pollen for the hive.  When they have
worn out, they simply die.  I've been watching this happening at home.
Several bumble-bees (amazing how they ignore scientist and keep right
on flying 8-)) have parked themselves on my plants -- their wings
tattered, looking somehow old.  They are not gathering nectar or
pollen.  They sit on a leaf or a flower petal hardly moving.  I've
watched them at great length only to see them die.  That is the way it
is in nature.

+From all that I've read about the Greys, I would tend to think, if
they are real, that they are insects with a higher intelligence,
naturally or artificially induced (genetic manipulation), so that they
can be trained and controlled.  They are then used to perform tasks
their masters do not want, or cannot, perform.  It could well be that
a true android can never be built.  We are already running into
serious problems with robotics and AI ourselves (not that that proves
anything -- just that it seems far more difficult than SF writers seem
to think).  Also, an organic device like this would be ideal in many
circumstances.  If a robot goes hinky, what can you use to control its
behavior.  Whereas with an organic, you have all sorts of rewards and
punishments that could be used.

The best way to find out for sure is to get one and examine it.
Anybody got a spare Grey hanging around!? ;-)

BTW, Clark could you send me your address?  I have a tape that I want
to send you (VCR tape with film taken of a UFO from an airplane).  I
want someone else to examine this thing and give me their impressions.
The rest of the films is hokey but has some interesting parts to it.

Gene Gross

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 Jul 91 04:53:00 GMT


 > From: ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush
 > Date: 26 Jul 91 17:53:15 GMT
 > Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 > Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >
 > From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


 > From: [e-mail] (sm)
 >
 > Regarding:  Crash at the Nevada Test Site
 >
 > ?  ParaNet has just learned from our correspondent in Las Vegas, NV
 > ?  that a helicopter carrying employees of EG&G and Wackenhut Security
 > ?  crashed on the test site.  The reports labeled the crash as
 > ?  'mysterious.'  Another media source stated that there was a strange
 > ?  energy burst detected just prior to the crash at about 9:30 P.M.
 > ?  yesterday.  We will update this story as more details become
 > available.
 > ?
 > ?  ParaNet Information Service
 >
 > I realize it's still early, but I had some questions that I would ask
 > you to look out for.  What are the media sources?  Can you point out a
 > newspaper account?  How was the 'energy burst' detected?  Was it a burst
 > of light, or a sonic boom, or something else?  Was it a single burst or
 > a double burst, or...  Is this the test site where the nuclear tests
 > are done?  What is Wackenhut Security?

There will be more information over the weekend.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Planet Discovered
Date: 27 Jul 91 05:09:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Sci.Astro"
 * Originally from Ron Baalke
 * Originally dated 07-25-91 12:23

From: [e-mail] (Ron Baalke)
Date: 24 Jul 91 19:56:23 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: sci.astro

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pat Hall -
Visitor) writes...
>This morning on CNN Headline news they reported that radio astronomers at the
>University of Manchester have discovered a planet orbiting another star and are
>reporting it in the latest issue of Nature or Science (sorry, I forget which).
>The brief bulletin gave the following details:  "a planet twice as big as earth
>and ten times as dense orbiting a star 30,000 light years away."  That's a
>quote from memory... either I heard wrong or they got something about it wrong;
>current technology would be hard put to detect something that mass around the
>nearest stars, let alone a star 10 kiloparsecs away.  If anyone has information
>from a more reliable source, I'd love to hear it, but I thought people on the
>net would like to get the news ASAP... certainly I'm excited about a confirmed
>planet outside our own solar system.
>

Note that this a possible discovery of a planet outside the solar system;
the astronomers are not 100% certain yet.  The report was in the British
journal Nature, and a British team headed by Andrew Lyne used a radio
telescope at the Nuffield Radio Astronomy Lab of the University of
Manchester in Cheshire, Britain, to make the possible discovery.  The
star in question which they think they've found a planet is pulsar 1829-10.
The planet appears to be twice the diameter of Earch, and 10 times its mass,
and orbiting the same distance from its sun as Venus is from our sun.
The planet also appears to be in a highly circular orbit, orbiting every six
months around the pulsar.  There is also evidence in their data that there
might be other planets around the same star.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Planet Discovered
Date: 27 Jul 91 05:10:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Sci.Astro"
 * Originally from Brad Templeton
 * Originally dated 07-25-91 12:24

From: [e-mail] (Brad Templeton)
Date: 24 Jul 91 21:19:30 GMT
Organization: Looking Glass Software Ltd.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: sci.astro

Here are more details from the story in clari.tw.space.  Reprinted with
permission, of course.   For more infomation on ClariNet, write to
[e-mail] or phone 1-800-USE-NETS

From: [e-mail] (ROB STEIN, UPI Science Editor)
Newsgroups: clari.tw.space,clari.tw.science,clari.tw.education,
clari.news.interest,clari.news.top
Subject: Astronomers discover possible new planet
Keywords: space, science, research, higher education, education,
        mysteries of the universe, human interest
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 12:34:55 EDT
ACategory: washington
Slugword: planet
Priority: major
Note: (editors: the 6 pm edt embargo on this story has been broken)

        WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Astronomers announced Wednesday they had
discovered what could be the first planet outside Earth's solar system,
a mysterious world that appears to be orbiting the flashing remains of a
collapsed star.
        ``It's not 100 percent sure they're right, but if they are it's
trailblazing and historic,'' said Cornell University astronomer Carl
Sagan.
        Although scientists have long thought other planets exist elsewhere
in the universe, the discovery could end the long hunt and provide new
reason to believe that extraterrestrial life may be possible, the
researchers said.
        ``It's the first concrete evidence that there may be other planetary
systems other than our own in the universe. Ours could have just been a
fluke. But if we see other planets it means our star is not alone in
having a planetary system,'' said Andrew Lyne, who led the British team
that found the possible planet.
        ``If there are other planetary systems then it means that there are
other possible platforms for life in the universe. Planets are about the
only place in the universe that we think that life could exist in any
form that we could imagine,'' he said in a telephone interview.
        Lyne said he doubted life existed on the newly discovered planet
because any living organisms would probably have been destroyed when its
sun collapsed in a massive nuclear explosion.
        In addition, its sun -- a pulsar -- emits most of its energy in the
form of deadly gamma ray radiation, which would constantly bathe any
planet and kill any life, Lyne said.
        However, he added that there is a remote possibility the planet was
formed after the sun collapsed, or it could have some type of atmosphere
that could protect life.
        If it has an atmosphere, the gamma rays from the star probably
produce a constant light show similar to Earth's northern lights as
gamma rays hit the atmosphere every third of a second, he said.
        Other astronomers, however, remained skeptical, saying more research
had to be conducted before anyone could conclude the researchers had in
fact discovered a planet.
        ``It's the Holy Grail of astronomy -- to find a new planet. There have
been a number of announcements that have all turned out to be either
premature or incorrect,'' said NASA astronomer Stephen Maran. ``The
question is, is this more of the same or is this the breakthrough we're
all waiting for?''
        Sagan said there was about a 50-50 chance that the body would turn
out actually to be a planet. If true, the discovery raises a host of
questions about how planets and pulsars form, Sagan said in a telephone
interview.
        The search for other planets and other solar systems has been
difficult because telescopes on Earth are not powerful enough to detect
relatively small planets circling much brighter stars that are so far
away it takes light, traveling at 186,000 miles per second, years to
reach Earth.
        In the new report in the British journal Nature, Lyne and colleagues
used a radio telescope at the Nuffield Radio Astronomy Laboratories of
the University of Manchester in Cheshire, Britain, to study a star known
as pulsar 1829-10.
        When the cores of massive stars exhaust their nuclear fuel, outward
radiation can no longer offset the inward pull of gravity. As a result,
such stars can suddenly collapse and explode, leaving a small core just
a few miles across that is so dense normal atoms are crushed into a
sphere of uncharged neutrons.
        Spinning neutron stars are called pulsars because they emit regular
flashes of radiation as they spin about in the depths of space like
cosmic lighthouses.
        In 1985, Lyne and his colleagues discovered the pulsar about 30,000
light years from our solar system near the center of the Milky Way. A
light year, the distance light travels in a year, is about 6 trillion
miles.
        The researchers have been studying the radio signals it emits and
intensified their observations in an attempt to understand what appeared
to be an irregularity in its pulse every six months. _ About six weeks
ago, the astronomers began to suspect that the irregularity was caused
by the gravitational pull of an orbiting body.
        ``It took a few days to dawn on us. We were worried there might be
something wrong with our equipment,'' Lyne said. ``But we were very
excited when we realized what this implied.''
        After accounting for other possible explanations, the scientists
concluded the oscillation was caused by a planet orbiting the star in a
highly circular orbit every six months.
        The planet appears to be about twice the diameter and 10 times the
mass of Earth and is about the same distance from its sun as Venus is
from our sun.
        The astronomers are continuing to study the pulsar to learn more
about the possible planet and determine whether there are any other
planets orbiting the star, Lyne said.
        ``There's an indication in our data of some effects that could be
attributable to other planets. They would be further away from the star, ''
he said.
        In an article accompanying the new report, David Black of the Lunar
and Planetary Institute in Houston, said that if the planet is confirmed
it could challenge existing theories about planet and pulsar formation.
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Aliens Are Coming
Date: 27 Jul 91 05:36:00 GMT

I would appreciate it if anyone on this net has any further information on
this report.  It apparently is being taken seriously by the science people on
the astronomy net.

Mike

 * Forwarded from "Sci.Astro"
 * Originally from Victor C. Limary
 * Originally dated 07-19-91 12:10

From: [e-mail] (Victor C. Limary)
Date: 19 Jul 91 00:20:18 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Academy, Albuquerque NM
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: sci.astro

[e-mail] (Markku Honkonen) writes:

> In news there was something about Australian astronomers that had
> find some signals, that could have been sent by intelligent life?
> Does anyone know anything about that? If you know and can talk about
> it, write to [e-mail] (not in this net, please. I must
> call long-distances to reach it )=

Seriously, what's the deal with this?  I heard about it being on the news
a couple of days ago, but I thought that it was just a big joke.


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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been?
Date: 26 Jul 91 18:10:00 GMT

Hi Clark!

Will have to call up your board again!  Will wait for the rates to
be cheaper.  A new computer always seems to cheer a person up.  I have
a color monitor now, and LOVE it.

See ya,

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Lear
Date: 26 Jul 91 18:37:00 GMT

Hello Jim,

Be honest--could it really be possible for there to be a base of Grays
who are making cocaine?  If so, who are they really making it for?  The
people who seems to be into cocaine are mostly "airheads" and "low-
lifers."  (Not that I don't feel sorry for them.)  BUT, it seems to me
that rather than corrupting THOSE people, what about us UFO-watchers
and people who "watch-dog" the UFO movement?  Why aren't they tempting
US with some kind of substance that would render us ineffective?  Do
you see my point??

Are you the person who said to look at a certain photo (#70A13) of the
Mars Face, etc.?  I have a book here, and I did, and I WANT TO TALK TO
YOU!!  Was it you?  If not, who?  (anyone out there who knows)

Thanks for all the great posts!

Linda Bird

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Crash at the Nevada Test Site
Date: 28 Jul 91 04:55:40 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

ParaNet Information Service writes:

+ParaNet has just learned from our correspondent in Las Vegas, NV that a
+helicopter carrying employees of EG&G and Wackenhut Security crashed on the
+test site.  The reports labeled the crash as 'mysterious.'  Another media

I can't remember what the phrase used in my local newspaper was, but if it
said 'mysterious' it was only in the sense of "not explained yet", rather
than 'anomalous.'

+source stated that there was a strange energy burst detected just prior to the
+crash at about 9:30 P.M. yesterday.  We will update this story as more details
+become available.

That part didn't appear here.  I'm certainly anxious to hear further
details.

Don't take this as speculation about *this* crash (unless you have any
evidence pointing to it), but someone once theorized that some plane
crashes could be caused by the planes flying into gravitational anomalies.
I'll have to find the article and see what the posited source of the
gravitational anomalies was, but I think it was natural.  I'm not talking
about Berlitz or anything else fancy, just a simple change in the
strength of the local gravitational field.

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Graham)
Subject: Re: Lear
Date: 28 Jul 91 09:07:28 GMT

In a message sent 11:37: 26 Jul 91, Linda Bird blurbed to vanth!jms

 LB>
 LB> Are you the person who said to look at a certain photo (#70A13) of th
 LB> e
 LB> Mars Face, etc.?  I have a book here, and I did, and I WANT TO TALK T
 LB> O
 LB> YOU!!  Was it you?  If not, who?  (anyone out there who knows)
 LB>

Wrong Jim!  It was I, Jim Graham of ParaNet ALPHA-GAMMA who requested the
guinea pig/mars face experiment.

If this is what you are referring to, please let me know what you see via
netmail.

I just took a second look at that plate in my book, and it's even more
pronounced than it is on the gif image.

Probably nothing to it, but it's food for thought.

BTW: I posted this to you before, but my line editor is broken (makes all
messages I post "invisible".

Regards,
Jim Graham


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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 444

                           Thursday, August 1st 1991

Today's Topics:

                                 RE: New Planet
                                     (none)
                            Sightings near Pittsburgh
                       Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation
                         Re: JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS
                                 Re: New Planet
                            Crop circle: Wiltshire,UK
                                   The Coverup
                             Re: Hi -where ya been?
                            ST:TNG -- 'First Contact'
                                 Re: GULF BREEZE
                                    Re: Lear
                      Hoax Circles (reply to Gregory Lush)
                                    Bennewitz
                                  miscellaneous
                             Re: Hi -where ya been?

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From: ucs.usl.edu!pgwres01
Subject: RE: New Planet
Date: 28 Jul 91 21:40:18 GMT

From: Fraering Philip G <[e-mail]>


Two notes about the new planet: it is not the first planet ever
discovered outside our solar system (a Canadian group using radial
spactroscopy has 'seen' some, although the method used seems to
see large close-in planets like Jupiter more readily than
earthlike planets), and it might not be a planet: the 10 earth
masses may just be a lower limit.

Phil Fraering
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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 28 Jul 91 21:40:45 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


Subject:  Sightings near Pittsburgh

I heard from a friend who heard from his mother that there
have been regular sightings of a UFO in a suburb of
Pittsburgh.  Apparently this is not just a light like
the present Gulf Breeze sightings, but rather people can
actually see the outline of a ship.  Further, people are
travelling to see it since it makes frequent appearances.

Anybody out in the Pittsburgh area?  Anybody hear about this?

Greg ([e-mail])





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From: [e-mail] (James Nugent)
Subject: Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation
Date: 26 Jul 91 02:29:00 GMT


You never know!!!!!!!

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From: [e-mail] (John Hrusovszky)
Subject: Re: JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS
Date: 27 Jul 91 07:25:50 GMT

FC> Does anyone out there know if John Lear's new hypothesis is posted on
FC> any boards around the U.S. , or know any information about it. This is
FC> supposed to be some of what he shared at the West Coast UFO Conference
FC> back in June in Los Angeles.  His posisitomn of late has been rumored
FC> that things are so far along that "the screaming will all be over
FC> before anyting can even be done".  Now he is supposed to have new
FC> information that may shed a little different light on this matter. Thi
FC> is all I know and wondered if anyone else has heard anything.

I, for one, would love to hear what he has to say this time.  Does
anyone have any information or text files on this?

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From: [e-mail] (Danny Brandenburg)
Subject: Re: New Planet
Date: 28 Jul 91 09:27:25 GMT

There is a problem if the discoverer of the planet claims that
scientists agree there is a good chance for life existing on the newly
discovered planet.  Most obvious to me is that "life as we know it"
could not be sustained on a planet orbiting a pulsar (neutron star).

     Another problem with the planet (not an arguement against life
there) is that it should not even be there.  If there star is truly a
neutron star, it should have went through a supernova stage.  While in
super nova, it should have either destroyed the orbiting planet or made
its orbit incredibly elliptical.  However, the scientists say that the
planet has a normal near circular orbit.  There still may be processes
to be investigated.

            Danny Brandenburg


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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Crop circle: Wiltshire,UK
Date: 27 Jul 91 09:19:06 GMT


Latest Crop circle news off the Internet:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Article 1012 of alt.alien.visitors:
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Wiltshire Pictograms
Date: 23 Jul 91 10:09:42 GMT
Sender: [e-mail] (Robert Trevelyan)
Organization: IBM AIX Systems Support Centre, UK.
Lines: 39


        The last few weeks have been very busy for crop circles in
Wiltshire.I took a trip around the key sites and could see about nine
formations varying from dumb-bells , insectograms and pictograms .
Just south of Stonehenge two insectograms and a circle lie in a field.
The insectograms are very large and are of the normal ring , circle ,
path and arc type seen at Upham near Winchester . The circle is a ringed
type with curved spurs .This is obviously near a great deal of tumuli
and the ancient monument where there are a great deal of lay lines that
I am sure cross the field .
        In Alton Barnes , site of last years massive pictogram , there
are three formations . Two of these show the "key" symbol as seen last
year and the third is a variation of a circle . Two of these are in one
field and the other one in a field that faces this one but all three are
within about half a mile of each other and can be seen all at once .
Malborough Downs have about four formations , some very large pictograms
and a dumb-bell as well as a ringed circle with two circles inside touching
and looking as a figure of eight .
        The main formation is at Barbury Castle nearby and appeared at
between 9pm on 16-07-91 and 9am on 17-07-91 according to a local pilot .
At the time of its arrival dramatic sightings of pulsing coloured lights
were made in the area and two witnesses reported seeing a dark object
which flew rapidly overhead blotting out the starlight . Everyone who has
seen this are sure it is genuine apart from Terence Meaden , possibly as
it is a combination of rings, triangles and circles  , not explainable by
an atmospheric vortex  .
I have not seen this yet but will hopefully have some more details on this
later .

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: The Coverup
Date: 26 Jul 91 16:22:00 GMT


 >> In my view...we should be demanding this as a
 >> group, and not be forced to send serious researchers
 >> running around the globe examining corn crops every time a
 >> gopher farts.  This isn't a GAME!  If they really DO exist
 >> and is not just wishful thinking on our parts, then they
 >> should stop wasting time and show themselves!

 JB> That's the spirit!  Maybe we can just "shame" them out into the open

Absolutely!  Though that may sound humorous...I find nothing funny about having
researchers scurrying about like rats after the cheese, being nothing more than
glorified accident investigators.  If all we are finding out there is straw
figures...then let's stop wasting our time.  If one wants to believe 'greys'
can never be spotted or trapped in the open, then let's just admit defeat now
and let THEM decide when and where to meet (if ever).   After all, THEY are the
'superior' ones, right?  How can we ever hope to win??

Sure, we can continue tying up valuable resources while never having an actual
provable encounter in our lifetime(s).  We can also continue searching for
exciting historical trinkets such as Noah's Ark or the Holy Grail.  But those
are simply OBJECTS (if they truly exist) people!  What we are talking here is a
supposed RACE of beings with obvious intelligence, and look at the way *they*
are playing with *us*.  We run around screaming, "Coverup!" at the government..
"Liars!" at the media...and "Fraud!" at those who claim to have been witnesses.
 All the time...everthing remains status quo...AFU!

We play accusatory games that would make historical witch hunting an art form.
 In fact...I challenge those who do this, to prove that they are playing
nothing more than modern day witch hunters with white lab coats.  Only
difference I see, is that some may actually BELIEVE there are greys out there
waiting to be discovered.  To others...its a nice diversion from daily life,
such as any hobby would be.  Some make it their business to exploit.  Still
more just pay lip service to the existence of UFOs.  In the end...the greys
remain safely 'out there', while we sit wiping the egg off again, and again as
each new investigation reveals nothing they haven't covered up.

No, this is not an attack against those who are sincere in their research
efforts.  Such individuals are scorned and ridiculed enough as it is.  This is
a scathing open message to the 'greys', themselves.  Yes, I say to the Greys
who are reading this.  You ARE intelligent life forms...right?  You do want to
keep in touch with the pulse of the human's UFO research which is you lurk on
ParaNet echos...right?  Well then, Mr. Grey:

STOP SQUASHING WHEAT FIELDS AND MULTILATING CATTLE!  WE ARE NO LONGER IMPRESSED
WITH SUCH CIRCUS TRICKS!  WE DO NOT CARE TO BE MEDICAL SUBJECTS BECAUSE YOUR
PHYSICIANS CAN'T CURE THE COMMON COLD ANYMORE THAN OURS CAN!  STOP TRYING TO BE
OUR MODERN DAY SAVIOR!  STOP TRYING TO MAKE GULF BREEZE ANYTHING MORE THAN THE
SAD SEASONAL VACATION SPOT IT TRIES TO BE.  SHOW YOUR SCALEY FACES AND PROVE
ONCE AND FOR ALL YOU ARE NOT JUST MYTH OR WISHFUL THINKING ON OUR PARTS!  GIVE
US MUCH MORE THAN FALSE HOPE, SCORCHED EARTH AND BLURRED PHOTOGRAPHS!  TELL US
WHAT YOU WANT AND STOP JERKING OUR CHAIN!

Any takers?  ;-)


\\ParaNet(sm) Alpha-Epsilon


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been?
Date: 28 Jul 91 11:20:00 GMT

Hello Clark!

 CM> Hi Linda!  Thanks ... I feel better already!  The 9600 CompuCom is a
 CM> nice addition, although it can't talk to US Robotics or Hayes 9600
 CM> modems because it's v.29, not v.32/v.32bis.

Well, those who want to consider a new CCom are now in luck.  Although the
older v.29 models won't talk high speed to those others...there are a new
selection of V.32/V.32bis models coming out at the end of August.  Sysop
pricing will make these CCITT compadible units very competitive.  Hope to
check one out, soon.  Now...back to...  :-)




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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: ST:TNG -- 'First Contact'
Date: 28 Jul 91 11:27:00 GMT


 vcc> Add me to the list of people who were blown away by the resemblance of
 vcc> the government's reactions in Star Trek to what our own government
 vcc> might be going through -- the idea that the public isn't ready for it,
 vcc> and all that. The *really* good part was the line about how even
 vcc> though they're going to keep it a secret, there would be rumors...

So I gather the idea of Star Trek being pure science fiction doesn't wash with
anybody anymore?  My...how we love to live out our fantasies.   ;-)


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: GULF BREEZE
Date: 28 Jul 91 23:21:00 GMT

Well, if I may be forgiven for saying so, I've heard that song before.
If events, such as have transpired at GB were sufficent proof of
anything, this mystery would have been solved many many years ago.  The
sad fact is that GB is not significantly different from any number of
other "breakthrough" cases over the last 40 or so years.  And the case
is not made stronger by adopting a posture of if "..they need to keep
some information from us they must have a good reason.." as if the
"good reason" could not be to keep the whole charade from crashing.
   So there are 350 supposed witnesses.  Would it matter if there were
3000 if everything else was the same?  There probably ARE witnesses in
the thousands to the Hudson Valley UFO!  It should be obvious by now
that counting witnesses is not getting us anywheres, nor is displaying
photo's taken by questionable characters who want to maintain certain
area's of secrecy.
  After all is said and done concerning the GB case, after all the
effort that has gone into it, where are we??  There is not even
agreement on the veracity of the primary witness!!!!  And yet we would
expect the general public to accept the case as "proof" of
something????  Where are we now, that we weren't 12 or 24 months ago???
 Are we more knowledgeable about what UFO's are?  Or where they come
from??? Or where we can expect to find the next wave??  Or how the
military responds to OUR actions??
  Or to look at it from the opposite side, If there had been no GB,
what would have been the "loss" to the field of UFOlogy??  Would we
know less??  Would "our" credibility been higher or lower??
  It is not that I think there is anything wrong with investigation of
GB or any other case, but when people seem to develop emotional
attachments to "cases" it seems that objectivity goes out the window
and we wind up with "investigators" acting more like PR fronts then
anything else because now they have an "investment" to defend.
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Lear
Date: 29 Jul 91 05:14:00 GMT

Hello Jim,
    Yes, it was you after all who asked for a person to look at the
Face of Mars, etc.  I don't how to "netmail" so perhaps we could talk
on the phone?
    I'm in the Mesa, AZ phone book (on Sunview) and you can call me
collect anytime on Monday, July 29th.

Best regards,
Linda

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From: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble
Subject: Hoax Circles (reply to Gregory Lush)
Date: 29 Jul 91 23:36:22 GMT

From: Steve Gamble x3293 <[e-mail]>


In reply to your question how to detect hoax circles :

I do it by being told by Paul Fuller, Richard Andrews and Busty Taylor
who do actual field investigation of circles! (My circles experience is
(at this point) strictly attending meetings, speaking to people and
examining reports).

Seriously, I believe that the way a circle is clasified as a hoax is
that :
 a) often the cereal is damaged rather than being softly laid
    over
 b) the circles do not have the sharp cut-off at the edge
 c) the hoaxes do not have 'smooth' edges, they are saw-toothed

More controversially Richard dowses circles. The ones which show the
above characteristics do not give an dowsable effect, whereas the
ones which do not show the effects a to c generally do show some
dowsable response. Richard's work is just extra evidence rather than
the diagnostic criteria.

Because the hoax circles take a relatively long time to make (2 to 3
hours or more) there are a few reports of people being seen doing it.
In other cases there are other silly little things like the circle
which had the message 'We are not alone' carvered in the cereal next
to it (surely if it was done by the Greys, or the Greens or whoever
they would write 'YOU are not alone' anyway).

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Bennewitz
Date: 30 Jul 91 05:36:16 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

To: Linda Bird

+Be honest--could it really be possible for there to be a base of Grays
+who are making cocaine?  If so, who are they really making it for?  The
+people who seems to be into cocaine are mostly 'airheads' and "low-
+lifers.'  (Not that I don't feel sorry for them.)  BUT, it seems to me
+that rather than corrupting THOSE people, what about us UFO-watchers
+and people who 'watch-dog' the UFO movement?  Why aren't they tempting
+US with some kind of substance that would render us ineffective?  Do
+you see my point??

I don't believe Bennewitz's new story, I just posted it because someone
said that Lear had changed his outlook on the situation and I thought maybe
something like that was why.

The cocaine was most likely to raise money to keep expanding the bases.
Remember that they're supposedly partly owned by the U.S. even though we
all know it's the aliens who are fully in control (or so we thought
until...)  Also keep in mind the stories of plans to depopulate the planet
through drugs and AIDS.  (I don't believe any of it, but you asked...)

As for corrupting the UFOlogical community with 'some kind of substance
that would render us ineffective', how about *disinformation*?  Bennewitz
certainly got hooked on it, and look what state it's left him in!

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: miscellaneous
Date: 30 Jul 91 05:37:25 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

Gene Gross:  Your theory about the Greys being some type of insect is just
about the most sensible thing I've heard yet.  People have been saying that
they look a little like praying mantises, but the worker bee analogy is
even better.

Michael Corbin:  Please post any further Usenet discussion of the alleged
signals detected in Australia. I hadn't heard anything in the media, and I
don't get sci.astro (right now my feed is having trouble and I'm not
getting anything as a matter of fact.)

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been?
Date: 29 Jul 91 20:22:00 GMT

LB>be cheaper.  A new computer always seems to cheer a person
LB>up.  I have a color monitor now, and LOVE it.


Hi Linda!  You'll get a kick out of the ANSI graphics & stuff.  It's rather
nice in color (if I *do* say so myself...)

Best,
  Clark

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 445

                            Monday, August 5th 1991

Today's Topics:

                            Mars face and guinea pigs
                         Antiscience Trends in the USSR
                                Free Intro Copyu
                                 Re: The Coverup
                               Lear And Others...
                               Lear and others...
                                  Radio Program
                      BUFORA INFORMATION (Warning :: LONG)
                             Re: Hi -where ya been?
                          Re: Mars face and guinea pigs
                          Re: Crop circle: Wiltshire,UK
                                  Re: Bennewitz
                                 Re: The Coverup
                                   New Planet
                                     (none)
                     Agenda and Intent of Cosmic Brotherhood
             John Foster Incident(s) -------------------------------

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Graham)
Subject: Mars face and guinea pigs
Date: 30 Jul 91 06:52:52 GMT

In a message sent 22:14: 28 Jul 91, Linda Bird blurbed to Jim Graham:

 LB> Hello Jim,
 LB>     Yes, it was you after all who asked for a person to look at the
 LB> Face of Mars, etc.  I don't how to "netmail" so perhaps we could talk
 LB> on the phone?
 LB>     I'm in the Mesa, AZ phone book (on Sunview) and you can call me
 LB> collect anytime on Monday, July 29th.
 LB>

 Darn! The time is now 11:51 p.m. EST as I read this.

 So, the 29th is almost past to me.

 I'll be in touch, though.  I really am interested in hearing about what
 you "see".

 Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Antiscience Trends in the USSR
Date: 30 Jul 91 04:33:19 GMT


The above article appears in the August 1991 Scientific
American. The sub-title is:

"A prominent Soviet scientist traces the reasons underlying
the current surge in superstitions, cults and
antitechnological protests in his country"

I encourage all readers of this news digest to read this
article. I won't say why but I think it'll be obvious to you
after reading it.

I would say that this article is not limited to the peoples of the Soviet
Union, but can be applied to certain personalities, regardless of citizenship.

In addition, perhaps we should proceed cautiously regarding any Soviet
"authorities" bringing forth information.

Anyway, I won't say anymore until you get a chance to read this.

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From: [e-mail] (John Hrusovszky)
Subject: Free Intro Copyu
Date: 29 Jul 91 05:44:00 GMT

About 3 or 4 or 5 months ago, there was a message left here about a new
newsletter (or was it a magazine) that was being started.  There was a
price, etc.  There was also a FREE offer for the first issue to anyone
who netmailed.  Well, I netmailed, but have never received anything,
not even a reply.  Can anyone shed some light on this?  Did it flop?
Was there REALLY a free first issue offer?  What gives?
Thanks in advance.

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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Re: The Coverup
Date: 30 Jul 91 06:11:15 GMT


 > Regarding the Greys:
 > you think they are some sort of android.

Yes, I do.  At least my experience with them indicates
that they aren't what we interpret them as being.  Perhaps
this is something to do with our perceptual field being
different to theirs.

 > It's possible.  And, perhaps they are some sort of
 > lower life form (from somewhere) that has been genetically
 > altered in the realm of intelligence because depictions
 > of them do not indicate them to be a higher life form
 > physically (compared to our standards).

I don't think that physical comparisons apply correctly
to these encounters with them and the Norse giants.

 > To me, they just don't seem to be physically strong
 > enough to build the machines they fly.

What about the flight characteristics? 40-G turns usually
are quite messy with corpreal life-forms as there is
no such critter as "anti-gravity" involved with them.

 > They also do not seem to have an opposable thumb.

Where'd you hear that?

 > (They also don't seem to be wearing any clothes!)

Indeed, it would seem to be a pressure suit of sorts
but might actually be an insect-like exoskeleton.
The reports of the "blood serum" smelling like ozone
intrigues me.  Anything to add?

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keithly)
Subject: Lear And Others...
Date: 31 Jul 91 08:23:00 GMT


 > To: vanth!jms
 > Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >  >
 >  > I haven't heard anything about Lear recently, but I
 >  > heard that Paul Bennewitz says that the base under
 >  > Archuleta Mesa was destroyed a couple of years ago.
 >
 > Hmm, we had an intrepid adventurer by the name of
 > T.S. Bennet propose a journey to those parts.  I've
 > yet to reach him by phone again.....

  Anyone have any idea who is TS Bennet?  Is this his real name or what
transpired of this so called bad guy..

                        Mike Keithly


 >  >
 >  > Just for kicks, has anyone heard about the DEA seizing
 >  > any land in the area in that time frame?
 >  > There was supposed to be quite a bit of cocaine left
 >  > at the base, and the DEA allegedly controls the entire
 >  > mountain.
 >  >
 > I have no doubt that someone could put together a possible
 > scenario about drugs, extraterrestrials and the DEA.  My
 > question would be much more direct.  Why, if at all....
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >  > --
 >  >   |  'Let's become alive again.'
 >  >   |         --Yes
 >  >
 >
 > --- FD 1.99c
 >  * Origin: -=ParaNet XI-Gamma(sm)=- Lattice  0kc (405)/277-3603
 > (1:14766/22)

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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Lear and others...
Date: 30 Jul 91 06:21:27 GMT

To: vanth!jms
Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >
 > I haven't heard anything about Lear recently, but I
 > heard that Paul Bennewitz says that the base under
 > Archuleta Mesa was destroyed a couple of years ago.

Hmm, we had an intrepid adventurer by the name of
T.S. Bennet propose a journey to those parts.  I've
yet to reach him by phone again.....
 >
 > Just for kicks, has anyone heard about the DEA seizing
 > any land in the area in that time frame?
 > There was supposed to be quite a bit of cocaine left
 > at the base, and the DEA allegedly controls the entire
 > mountain.
 >
I have no doubt that someone could put together a possible
scenario about drugs, extraterrestrials and the DEA.  My
question would be much more direct.  Why, if at all....




 > --
 >   |  'Let's become alive again.'
 >   |         --Yes
 >

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Radio Program
Date: 31 Jul 91 21:22:00 GMT

On Friday August 2nd, I will be a guest on Chuck Harder's "For the People"
radio program. The topic will be UFOs here and in the USSR. The program starts
at 3:00PM EST, 12:00PM PST. He is on the SUN and American Radio Network to my
best knowledge. If you get a chance, tune in.

Don Ecker

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From: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble
Subject: BUFORA INFORMATION (Warning :: LONG)
Date: 1 Aug 91 06:25:17 GMT

From: Steve Gamble x3293 <[e-mail]>

Following the introduction of BUFORA to Paranet, several people asked
for further information about BUFORA. I have uploaded a version of our
leaflet for membership which I hope aswers these points.
--------------------------------------------------------------



BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF BUFORA AND ITS ACTIVITIES

ABOUT UFOS

The modern study of unidentified flying object phenomena (UFOs) is
commonly held to have started with the report of Kenneth Arnold. On
Tuesday 24th June 1947 Arnold, a private pilot, reported 'nine peculiar
aircraft' near Mount Rainer, Washington State, USA. In fact there appear
to have been many reports over the years before Arnold's report. In the
UK there are reports of strange aerial phenomena back at least to the turn
of the century.

There are many theories about the possible origins or nature of these
phenomena including, amongst others, UFOs may be natural phenomena and UFOs
may be advanced technology. BUFORA recognises that there are a number of
explanatory hypotheses and does not advocate any particular theory.

ABOUT BUFORA

BUFORA was founded in 1962, as a federation of regional UFO groups throughout
the UK. Many of these groups were formed in the 1950s. These included the
British Flying Saucer Bureau, founded in 1952, which is believed to be the
UK's oldest UFO group. In 1962 the group was known as the British UFO
Association, changing its name in 1964 to the present British UFO Research
Association. BUFORA became a company limited by guarantee in 1975. This
means that in the event of BUFORA being wound up each members undertaking
to cover any outstanding debts is limited to 1 pound. BUFORA is registered
under the U.K. Data Protection Act, and amongst other things membership
records are held on a computer database. (It is the policy of BUFORA NOT to
release membership records to third parties.)

BUFORA is run entirely by volunteers, relying solely on its members to fund
and carry out its investigation, research and educational activities. The
day to day running of BUFORA is in the hands of a Council of Management
drawn from the members.

Membership of BUFORA is open to all who support the aims of the association,
and whose application is approved by the Council of Management.

AIMS OF BUFORA

The three aims of BUFORA are:

 1. To encourage, promote and conduct unbiased scientific
  research of unidentified flying object (UFO) phenomena
  throughout the United Kingdom

 2. To collect and disseminate evidence and data relating to
  unidentified flying objects

 3. To co-ordinate UFO research throughout the United Kingdom
  and to co-operate with others engaged in such research
  throughout the world.

ACTIVITIES OF BUFORA

In pursuit of its aims, BUFORA supports active investigation and research
teams. The investigation team carries out on site field investigation of
cases, whilst the research team gets involved in activities such as
statistical research and technical support activities. Major research
projects are underway to computerise BUFORA's case records and in the field
of witness lead investigation. These activities are backed up by a press
cutting service and extensive libraries of case reports and published
literature on UFO phenomena. The heads of both the investigation (Jenny
Randles) and the research (Steve Gamble) teams are members of the Council of
Management of BUFORA. Both are assisted in organising the activities of
their sections by advisory committees made up of members with a special
interest in these activities.

BUFORA organises in London a programme of monthly lectures (September to June)
on a variety of UFO related topics. Additionally regional meetings are held,
and every other year BUFORA co-sponsors the International UFO Congress.

Members receive free of charge, six issues per year, of its regular
publication 'UFO Times', which carries details of investigated reports and
results of research projects. Members may also elect to receive six issues
per year of the 'UFO Newsfile' for an additional fee of 6 pounds. 'UFO
Newsfile' is a collection of the best newpaper clippings received from
BUFORA's newsclipping service. The 'UFO Times' is edited by Mike Wootten,
'UFO Newsfile' is edited by Mike Hudson.

BUFORA operates with British Telecom the 'UFOCALL' hot line, which carries
information about reports and updates on events (phone: [phone]; Note
charge currently 45p per minute peak rate, 34p offpeak). These pre-recorded
four minute messages are updated every two weeks.

In recent years BUFORA has established its international reputation by its
investigation and research work, and a number of major publications. BUFORA
is a founder, and the UK representative organisation of the International
Committee for UFO Research. BUFORA currently provides the Chairman (Robert
Digby), the Secretary (Steve Gamble) and Treasurer (John Spencer) on the
I.C.U.R. executive.

BUFORA is the publisher of the 'UFO Lexicon', which is an international
glossary of UFO-related terms in ten languages. BUFORA is involved in a
number of collaborative projects with other UFO groups both throughout the
UK and the rest of the world. BUFORA is actively seeking to promote local
branches of its members throughout the U.K. and the rest of the world.

PUBLICATIONS OF BUFORA

The BUFORA Journal was published from 1965 until 1982 when it was replaced
by the BUFORA Bulletin. From 1979 to 1989 BUFORA also published the Journal
of Transient Aerial Phenomena. In 1989 the Bulletin and JTAP were combined
and relaunched as the UFO Times.

In addition to 'UFO Times', BUFORA has published a number of booklets and
papers on specific aspects of research and investigation (for example our
Vehicle Interference Report and Investigator Handbook), or as in depth case
studies of specific reports (eg The Livingstone Encounter). BUFORA
publishes 'UFO World', a series which is a review of UFO Investigation and
Research throughout the world. Recent publications include 'UFOs 1947 - 1987'
(published by Fortean Tomes [1987]), 'Phenomenon' (published in the UK by
Macdonald & Futura [1988] and by Avon in the United States), 'Fire in the
Sky' (BUFORA [1989]) and 'Controversy of the Circles' (BUFORA [1989]).

Details of publications currently available (including back issues of
Journals) can be obtained from the registered office (enclose S.A.E. please).
Some BUFORA publications are also available through Spacelink Books,
115 Hollybush Lane, Hampton, TW12 2QY England; and Arturus Book Service,
P.O. Box 831383, Stone Mountain, GA 30083-0023, U.S.A.



I wish to apply for membership of BUFORA and enclose payment of 18.00 pounds
(or US $36) being my first annual subscription. (Membership is subject to
approval by the Council of Management) All applications must be signed.

Name ........................................................

(In full please)...........................

Title (eg Mr, Mrs, Miss, Sir)...............

Age (if under 18, otherwise optional).........

Address:...........................................................

 .........................................................

 .........................................................

Occupation (optional):.......................................................
Please tick any of the following activities in which you would like to help
BUFORA:
1. Administration (eg typing )                   [  ]
2. Translation (please state language(s))        [  ]

  ...........................................
3. Field Investigation                           [  ]
4. Research and Technical Support                [  ]
5. Fund Raising                                  [  ]
6. Publicity                                     [  ]
7. Lecturing                                     [  ]


Signed:.......................................

Date:..................................
(Note: Must be signed by parent or guardian for applicants under 18 years of
age)
Please return completed forms to :

BUFORA, 16 Southway, Burgess Hill, Sussex, RH15 9ST, England

Overseas payments should be by International Money Order drawn in pounds
Sterling or by U.S. Dollars (Bills only)





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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been?
Date: 1 Aug 91 00:45:00 GMT

Hi Clark,

Maybe I can call your BBS this weekend when the rates are cheaper (or I
could get up earlier during the week.....huh..?)

Would be nice to chat wid ya..

Soon,

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Mars face and guinea pigs
Date: 1 Aug 91 00:51:00 GMT

Hi Jim,
       We'll try again to touch base.  I have a 4-day weekend coming
up, so give me a holler Aug 2-5.  I should be around.  Or if you can
netmail me your phone #, I'll call you.  Or you can call me for 30
seconds and then I'll call you back; if my hubby answers and you call
collect, he won't know who you are....(he isn't interested in this
subject matter, though he does like astronomy).

      Looking forward to talking to you!

       Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Crop circle: Wiltshire,UK
Date: 1 Aug 91 01:02:00 GMT

Hello Don,
    I sure do enjoy your posts from Robert Trevelyan (sp?) in England.
Please tell him thanks for me; I'd sure like some pictures of these
c.c. and perhaps UFO Magazine will print some (hint, hint) or maybe
even the MUFON monthly Journal.  Interest in this area is not waning.

Regards,

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Bennewitz
Date: 1 Aug 91 01:17:00 GMT

Hi Jim,
   Bennewitz is the fellow with the Philadephia Experiment, right?
I pretty much know that one.  What else does he say?  Sounds like he
keeps coming up with new "mind-blowers" to stay in the public eye.
(He tells the stories so much, that even he begins to believe them?)

   I think he's going to be in the Phoenix area for a Tim Green Beckley
conference - is Bennewitz worth paying money to hear speak?

Awaiting your reply,

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: The Coverup
Date: 1 Aug 91 01:26:00 GMT

Hi Kurt,

To add to some people's idea that the Greys look like insects, I'm
reminded of an article in the most recent UDO Magazine in which a man
describes an encounter with beings that looked like insects to him.
It's a rather strange encounter, doesn't seem to fit the norm (what-
ever THAT is), but here's a brief quote:
   "Although they had a basic humanoid shape, in size they were
somewhat smaller than most terrestrial humans, with a slight body
build.  They were a glossy dark color and seemed to be insectoid.
Their heads were proportionately about the size of a human head, but
shaped differently, with pronounced dark eyes without a white."
    He went on to mention that they are "chitinous looking" and their
reply was, "...you seem very mammalian to us!"

I 'll be happy to sent you a copy of this article if you want it.

Best to you,

Linda
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From: dg-rtp.dg.com!grossg
Subject: New Planet
Date: 1 Aug 91 20:34:22 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gene Gross)

Funny thing about the idea that life might exist on this new one
circling about a pulsar -- IT WAS SAGAN WHO SAID THAT LIFE MIGHT YET
EXIST ON IT!!  I'll dig out the exact quote and post it.

One last thought about this:  has anyone really considered that our
definition of life might be far too narrow?  We base our thinking on
this on the carbon lifeforms we see here on this planet, and some
rather good brains have determined, by whatever 'magic,' that this is
the most likely paradigm for life in the universe, 'if other life
exists.'  Somehow, while part of me likes to believe that this is so, I
have this uneasy feeling that life may be far more ubiquitous and
common than even the carbon model predicts.  I think that the universe
is predisposed to the formation of life -- despite the violence and
chaos that we observe.  (Maybe this is a wish on my part -- after all,
I make a living using my imagination and creative talents.)

And if the universe is indeed predisposed to life, then we might only
be seeing one small (miniscule) part of life that exists.  Maybe the
SF folks aren't as far out into fantasy as one might first think with
their bizarre encylopaedias of aliens.  Something to think about
anyway.

And before some of you smarter ones write a long post on why the
carbon model is the most likely, please don't do it for me -- I've got
files full of that stuff packed away in boxes.  Do it for some of the
others, yes, but not me.  Thanks.

Back to stretching Interleaf to new boundaries while trying not to
crash my system. <GRIN>

Gene Gross
Project Lead
Data General Corporation
RTP, NC 27709





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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 1 Aug 91 21:51:40 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


Subject:  Agenda and Intent of Cosmic Brotherhood

In response to Michael Corbin:

?  Do you really know the agenda of these aliens or whatever they are?
?  If you do, then why don't they come out and show themselves?

I'm assuming these were not rhetorical questions.  There has
been a lot of discussion about this lately so I thought I'd
put in my perception of what is going on.

The second question is a common one which I have often seen asked.
This is not as simple a question as it appears so it may be hard to
write the answer in a believable form without getting long-winded.
I don't want to make this too long, so  I'll try to give short
answers.  I'm not asking anyone to believe this; just please
read it figuring now you'll know what some believers in the
'cosmic brotherhood' are thinking.  I'll just tell you the
explanations as I have read them in the Phoenix Journals as they
are representative of the 'cosmic brotherhood' of which you spoke.

I do not endorse any other publications supposedly originating from
Pleiadians or others because I have read little of what people call
'channelled' material.  I do find that other "channelled" material
I have read justifies the negative response I have received from
readers of ParaNet when I discussed the Phoenix Journals previously.
I say again that this material is different.

For those unfamiliar with my previous posts about the Phoenix
Journals, the publishers claim that they are written by Hatonn,
an alien from the Pleiades.  I understand that this is not
'scientific,' but here goes anyway.  This first is in reference
to what you asked about their 'agenda.'

Hatonn says that his 'command' is here first and foremost to educate
people as to what is and has been going on behind the scenes on this
planet.  This includes going back to time before recorded history,
but mainly it means events in the last couple centuries.  (Current
times are obviously more readily researchable for personal
confirmation.)  They say that they are presenting this information
so that every human can make a conscious choice as to whether he/she
wishes to continue to support the causes of our problems--some of
which you briefly describe below.  Secondly, they are here to retrieve
what they call their 'ground crew.'  I don't know what "ground crew"
means precisely, but I know they are not referring to what people call
'walk-ins.'  I don't understand if this means humans, or if it means
actual aliens on the planet.  They are also happy to evacuate anyone
who wishes and requests evacuation in case the need arises.  Events
that could cause need for evacuation of the planet would include, for
instance, a flipping of the axis, or possibly a different human-made
calamity such as a nuclear war (but not under all circumstances,
severity is an issue with the Nukes).  (They also claim to have
rescued the Challenger crew and many soldiers on both sides in the
Persian Gulf war.) Evacuation is not necessarily permanent.

They are also here to make sure we don't blow up our planet with all our
nuclear bombs and beam weapons.  They are allowed to interfere if it
comes to that.  The destruction of this planet would destabilize the
local cosmos, and that would affect them, whereas our conventional
warfare is our own private business.

Why don't they just show up?

People have written to the publishers asking why the aliens don't
just show up on the 50-yard line at the Super Bowl and announce
their presence.  (In fact John Burke recently posed this very
question in this newsletter.) Hatonn claims that making such an
appearance would start a nuclear war.  Now is a time where a lot of
factions (from countries to bankers) of the Global 2000 people are
battling for power positions. The truth of the alien presence would
prove false a lot of other apparent truths so the invisible powers
would have to make themselves more visible.  There is still time
for the American people to regain control of our government so the
aliens don't want to speed up the timetable.  There are also, Hatonn
says, many plans in the works and working to blame aliens for all
sorts of dastardly things of which the most familiar would be cattle
mutilations.  Plans also include the possibility of destroying a
city and its inhabitants and blaming aliens.  This is all to make
people fear aliens.  It is clear that many people fear aliens.

So in short, they are here to educate, pick up their 'friends' and
anyone else who wishes to be evacuated (temporarily or permanently),
prevent destruction of the planet, and to help those who ask.  They
do not 'show up' now because it is not "time" yet, and it wouldn't
be helpful.

Let me say again, these are not my opinions, but are taken from
the Phoenix Journals.  It is up to you to decide if you think
the reasons given are valid, and therefore support the thesis.
I offer it only for your information (and a good laugh, as I'm
sure some will say).  I cannot 'scientifically' "prove" any of
of this, nor can anyone prove it is not true.  It's up to you
to decide what it means to you.

---------------------------------

?  If they really are in
?  contact with those out there, then why do we still have social
?  problems?  Why can't we cure cancer and AIDS? The answers are
?  simple.  If the 'space brothers' are real, and their intentions
?  were good, we would see drastic social changes, but we don't.  We
?  would see a movement to be indoctrinated into the galactic society,
?  but we aren't.  There is no progress being made at all.

Why would contact with aliens change these things?  These are our
problems; why would you have someone else clean them up?  If you
clean up someone's mess all the time, he/she never learns
responsibility and never feels the repercussions of his/her
negative actions.

More importantly, you cannot fix a problem until you know
the cause(s).  These Journals explain the root causes of problems.
They don't blame one group for everything; they recognize that it
is the greed and power lust of people that cause most of the
problems.  The aliens are not allowed to interfere directly.
However, they can tell us what is *REALLY* wrong, and then we can
more ably fix those problems ourselves if we choose to do so.

If, as you say, there is no visible progress, then who is to blame?
How much does each one of you reading this do every day to make this
a better planet?  I know I don't do enough.  Maybe after we straighten
out our own world, we will be welcomed into this 'galactic society'
of which you spoke.

Enough of aliens.

----------------------

?  On another note, do psychics really have the answers?  If so, then
?  why didn't they channel the dead president that they thought was
?  poisoned so we could get the real scoop?

I really think this is unfair.  Some people really expect too much
from 'psychics' and "channelors."  Don't forget that they are still
human beings, capable of mistakes and misinterpretations--the same as
a scientist using the scientific method is capable of such human
errors.  No, they don't have all the answers.  Should they?

I wouldn't claim that every psychic or every channelor is valid
any more than someone would claim that every UFO sighting is a hoax.
There will always be disreputable people out to make money, but
that should not invalidate the honest psychics and channelors.
There have been significant contributions made
by people such as Edgar Cayce.

--------------------------

?  After reading your message, I have come to the conclusion
?  that there is just no common ground between our viewpoints.
?  I suggest that we agree to disagree.

That's cool with me.  We'll just keep trying to educate each other.
I can only speak from my end; I have learned a great deal from you
Mike, and from ParaNet.

--------------------------

Finally, for many of the things I have talked about in this post
such as evacuations and cosmic brothers, I haven't made up my mind
as to their meaning for me, personally.  I talked to a skeptical
friend about aliens and such, and his response was that, 'If you
look at anything long enough, you can come up with all sorts of
theories to explain it.'  His measure of any theory would be it's
usefulness to him.  He found my 'theories' to not be of any use to
him so I stopped talking to him about them.

The most powerful force in my life is me.  Aliens or not, I have a
life to live and things to accomplish.  If I have a chance to be
'evacuated' when things get really bad, I'll decide about that
when the time comes.

What I found from the Journals to be of the most use to me is the
idea that things are not what they seem.  With all the research I
have done this past year or so, I am better informed on US History,
current events, and political machinations.  I am also better
informed on UFOlogy through ParaNet and my own reading.
This is good.  I know that our society and political structure
is not as it was designed by our founding fathers, and I feel
that we would be better off if we returned to their design
for government.  That is my opinion, based on the facts.
This is what has made the Phoenix Journals useful to me.

Greg ([e-mail])





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From: bamboo.cax.tek.com!doughe
Subject: John Foster Incident(s) -------------------------------
Date: 1 Aug 91 21:52:56 GMT

From: Doug Helbling <[e-mail]>


 I taped an hour long show on local public access TV this weekend
 from PUFOG, the Portland UFO Group (Portland, OR), which featured a
 presentation by John Foster.  John reported himself to have been
 involved in hundreds (I believe I heard the number 3,000?) of
 encounters over the span of his life, many or most of these taking
 place in Illinois.  He drew several parallels between his own case
 and other more publicly known cases.  He had no photo evidence,
 but quite a few similarities to Gulf Breeze craft and 'entity'
 reports were apparent in the drawings that he displayed.

 Has anyone heard of this person?  Any knowledge of his case?
 Apologies in advance if this is an echo, but my local paranet
 archive showed no reference to it.


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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 446

                            Monday, August 5th 1991

Today's Topics:

                           JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS
                                   The Coverup
                                   The Coverup
                               Tape of KOA program
                                   The Coverup
                                     (none)
                                   Hoax Circles
                    Re: Keelynet File, Lazar, Don't Be Duped
                   Re:  What About The Last 44 Years ?read/new
                   Re: What About The Last 44 Years ?read/new
                   Re: What About The Last 44 Years ?read/new
                                  Miscellaneous
                  Roswell Incident -- So =that's= What It Was!
                                    Re: Media

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From: [e-mail] (John Powell)
Subject: JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS
Date: 30 Jul 91 02:16:21 GMT

In a message to All Paranet Users <19 Jul 91 09:38> Felipe Cantu wrote:

 FC> Does anyone out there know if John Lear's new hypothesis is
 FC> posted on any boards around the U.S. , or know any information
 FC> about it. This is supposed to be some of what he shared at the
 FC> West Coast UFO Conference back in June in Los Angeles.  His
 FC> posisitomn of late has been rumored that things are so far along
 FC> that "the screaming will all be over before anyting can even be
 FC> done".  Now he is supposed to have new information that may shed
 FC> a little different light on this matter.

I haven't heard anything but judging from the Foreword he wrote for the book
Cosmic Top Secret by William F. Hamilton III I got the feeling that he still
feels the same way...

Thanks, take care.
John.


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From: [e-mail] (John Powell)
Subject: The Coverup
Date: 30 Jul 91 02:35:23 GMT

In a message to John Burke <26 Jul 91 09:22> Steve Rose wrote:

 > JB> That's the spirit!  Maybe we can just "shame" them out into the open

 SR> Absolutely!  Though that may sound humorous...I find nothing
 SR> funny about having researchers scurrying about like rats after
 SR> the cheese, being nothing more than glorified accident
 SR> investigators.

I got ridiculed some months ago for suggesting that the next time someone sees
a UFO they should aim a rifle at it instead of a camera, and I was being much
more serious than humorous.  How do you respond to that?

 SR> How can we ever hope to win??

Winning might be a good goal, but at this point breaking even is a more
realistic objective.

 SR> ParaNet echos...right?  Well then, Mr. Grey:
 SR> [...] SHOW YOUR SCALEY FACES AND PROVE ONCE AND FOR ALL YOU ARE NOT JUST
 SR> MYTH OR WISHFUL THINKING ON OUR PARTS!

If you had a head that looked more like a butt with eyes, and _no_ butt, would
you be real excited about dancing down Main Street?

 SR> TELL US WHAT YOU WANT AND STOP JERKING OUR CHAIN!

"Jerking our chain" appears to be something that they _want_...  And since we
provide the "chain" we are partly responsible.

 SR> Any takers?  ;-)

I'm not an alien!

Thanks, take care.
John.

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: The Coverup
Date: 1 Aug 91 08:07:00 GMT

Hello John!

 JP> I got ridiculed some months ago for suggesting that the next time
 JP> someone sees a UFO they should aim a rifle at it instead of a camera,
 JP> and I was being much more serious than humorous.  How do you respond
 JP> to that?

Naw...we are such a loving and giving populous...what ever could one be
thinking when suggesting that we attack our neighbors and challenge our grey
friends?  Besides, shooting a rifle in public can get you a civil citation. In
all likelyhood, you'll just hit a street lamp or weather balloon, anyway. ;-)



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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Tape of KOA program
Date: 3 Aug 91 13:57:00 GMT

Hi Bill,
        I've got the tape ready (from your appearance on KOA radio) but
if you sent me an address, I didn't get it or have mislaid it.  Please
send again and I'll mail you the tape -- Unless, of course, you already
have a copy that you taped yourself.
        Interesting piece you had in UFO UNIVERSE's Aug-Sep 91 issue
too.
                                ==Peggy==
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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: The Coverup
Date: 1 Aug 91 20:04:21 GMT

In response to my obtuse ramblings....
 >
 > The android explanation would also get some support
 > from the reports that Len Stringfield has published
 > about Graylien anatomy:  no digestive system, no sex
 > organs, etc.  It's an interesting idea.  Come to think
 > of it, nobody ever said that they found a toilet seat
 > in the Roswell debris, did they?
 >
 >                                      --  John
I can't recall anything mundane like toilet seats being
reported, much less food utensiles and ice cream scoops.
However, there does seem to be a number of technical
developements (such as the transistor) that were around
the same time frame that give much to ponder about
Greylien technologies.

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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 4 Aug 91 20:13:08 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


Subject:  Hoax Circles

?  From: Steve Gamble x3293 <[e-mail]>
?
?  In reply to your question how to detect hoax circles :
?
?  Seriously, I believe that the way a circle is clasified as a hoax is
?  that :
?   a) often the cereal is damaged rather than being softly laid
?      over
?   b) the circles do not have the sharp cut-off at the edge
?   c) the hoaxes do not have 'smooth' edges, they are saw-toothed
?
?  More controversially Richard dowses circles. The ones which show the
?  above characteristics do not give an dowsable effect, whereas the
?  ones which do not show the effects a to c generally do show some
?  dowsable response. Richard's work is just extra evidence rather than
?  the diagnostic criteria.
?
?
?  STEVE

Thanks Steve.  I was curious.  Does this mean that some have been
found that could not be written off according to the above criteria?
What percentage, would you guess?  Also, there are apparently some
that are more elaborate in design.  (Some crop circles are more
equal than others.)  Is there a correllation between complexity of
the design and the circle's 'ability' to pass the above tests?

I read a book on dowsing by a fellow who used it to find water.
He was also able to use it for any yes/no question.  He found
that he could track his son who was travelling across the
country once by asking how far away he was.  (He would ask himself
questions such as, 'Is he further than 500 miles away?')

What I'm wondering about is what question Richard asks when he
gets a 'dowsable effect'?  The book I read stressed that a
question not carefully worded might yield a misinterpreted answer
simply because the 'dowsing effect' was answering the literal
question asked rather than the one intended by the inquisitor.
In other words, what is he asking to find?

Greg ([e-mail])





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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Keelynet File, Lazar, Don't Be Duped
Date: 4 Aug 91 04:50:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
 * Originally from Student Class Account
 * Originally dated 07-31-91 12:02

From: [e-mail] (Student Class Account)
Date: 30 Jul 91 18:14:23 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors


I am disappointed that more healthy scepticism cannot be found in this
newsgroup.  Seldom found is the article that doesn't swallow government
coverup of dealings with alien beings hook line and sinker.  I would be
more than happy to find that alien beings did exist, and that there has
been contact wih humans, but there has been no information presented here
or anywhere that is not wholly circumstantial. tial.  Also, careful reading of
material presented as fact here (see discussion of Lazar's talk and the free
energy system below) casts considerable doubt on the integrity of their
words.  As for the "Channelers", I will not even dignify them with a
discussion.

First, regarding Lazar:

He claims that he is a physicist whose job was to reverse engineer a gravita-
tional drive system.  It was reported to consist of an element that emits
a weak gravity wave (element 115), a resonance chamber in which standing
gravitational waves are set-up, and a system to amplify those waves.  The
drives basic function is to warp the space-time geometry between the ship's
position and its destination.

In review, let me say that gravity waves have been postulated to exist, but
have never been observed.  (A recent LandSat Photo of the Kuwait Oil fires
is claimed to contain ripples showing gravity waves, but they do not fit any
picture of gravity waves as proposed so far).  In any case, the waves may
or may not exist; let us suppose that they do, and that they have wavelengths
between that shown in the LandSat photos and that proposed by several popular
theories: between a Kilometer or so and lengths of the order of planetary
distances.  A resonance chamber for such waves would have to enclose distances
of half the wavelength.  The ship described by Lazar does not contain a device
of this size.  Also, if the ship is able to warp space-time over large
distances, if it like every other warper ever observed in nature, it would
create a potential well large enough to suck he earth and its entire atmo-
sphere into it.  Very unlikely!  If you couple this with the fact that Lazar
was unable to recall the frequency of the gravity wave which is THE basis for
the entire drive system and all its components, his story appears very
unlikely.  He wasn't able to recall whether the frequency was large or small.

Second, look at the paper presented for the "public good".  The entire basis
for his generator is based on a situation which is completely UNTRUE.  In fact,
it violates one of Maxwell's equations, and does not work experimentally. The
fact that it does not work experimentally puzzled physicists from the early
1800's until around 1880.  It was easily explained after Faraday's Law was
discovered.  The basic idea is that a disk is placed in a magnetic field,
oriented so that the field lines are perpendicular to the surface of the
conducting disk.  It is then claimed that if the disk is spun, a potential
will develop between the center of the disk and the outside edge.  This is
just plain WRONG.  While it is true that if a potential is placed across
the distance from the center to the outer edge, a current will flow, and
the disk will spin, the converse is not true.  Only in the case of a varying
magnetic field can a potential develop.  (Faraday's Law: Curl of E = -dB/dt).
This is high school physics!  (Well, maybe first year college level).
It is claimed that the potential that develops is the same as when the disk
is attached to the magnet and spun.  I will give him that, but only in that
they are both identically ZERO.

Well, I'm sure that I have put enough flammable material in his posting.
In short, I would love there to be aliens around, but give me concrete proof!
Thanks for your time and please DON'T BE DUPED.

Rusty

PS:  mail at [e-mail] or [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re:  What About The Last 44 Years ?read/new
Date: 4 Aug 91 04:52:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
 * Originally from Joe Mastroianni
 * Originally dated 07-30-91 18:01

From: [e-mail] (Joe Mastroianni)
Date: 30 Jul 91 16:43:24 GMT
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors


 I disagree, Don. UFOs are of this world. You're of this world. I'm of
this world. Everyone who has ever seen a UFO is someone of this world.
Whatever is happening to people is of this world. Unfortunately, nobody
in our world community of humans seems to have the slightest idea what
exactly is happening.
 We have no explanation for these weird lights in the sky. We have no
explanation for people who have chunks of skin removed from their legs
in the middle of the night. We people haven't the faintest idea how to
reconcile stories of midnight abductions and needles put into the brain
with our normal lives. One day we're shopping for toilet-paper and Oreo
cookies, the next night we're spirited onto glowing spheres to be operated
on by grey midgets with big almond eyes. What the hell is this stuff?
 What can you say to someone who tells you he was stopped by a UFO on the
way home from the 7-Eleven? You can start by saying he's nuts. But then,
what do you say to the hundreds of thousands of people all over the world
who suddenly get brave enough to tell you their bizzare stories. Is everyone
nuts? If everyone is nuts, then nuts is normal, by the definition of "normal".

   Anyway, if you start trying to describe these events in terms easily
understandable by occult hobbiests, then you are selling the whole thing
short. Nobody knows if these events are caused by beings from the Crab
Nebula or renegade accountants from Burma. The truth is simply: Nobody knows.

   At this late point in our history as a civilization, I think we all can
admit the possiblity of the existence of information and events we have
yet to discover. Whatever this phenomenon is, it isnt something we have
explained yet. Most importantly, we may not be able to explain it in terms
common to our existing pool of scientific knowlege and experience as humans.
If this is true, giving this thing a name simply detracts from its true
nature.

  Joe

>
>The crashed disk was just that..an extraterrestrial craft...not a "secret"
>plane or "weather balloon"...it was real and it did happen. The usual debunker
>explanations are pretty lame and pathetic. In my opinion, "skeptics" and their
>kissin' cousins, the rabid debunkers are LOSING the "UFO's are NOT of this
>world", and "nothing happenned at Roswell to suggest a UFO had crashed"
>arguments.
>
>Don
>
>



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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: What About The Last 44 Years ?read/new
Date: 4 Aug 91 04:54:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
 * Originally from Steve Gamble X3293
 * Originally dated 07-31-91 17:55

From: [e-mail] (Steve Gamble x3293)
Date: 31 Jul 91 15:47:45 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, U.K.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe
Mastroianni) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>
>  What can you say to someone who tells you he was stopped by a UFO on the
> way home from the 7-Eleven? You can start by saying he's nuts. But then,
> what do you say to the hundreds of thousands of people all over the world
> who suddenly get brave enough to tell you their bizzare stories. Is everyone
> nuts? If everyone is nuts, then nuts is normal, by the definition of
"normal".
>
[more stuff deleted]

Allen Hynek did an analysis of a largish number of cases and found that
only about 1% fell into his Close Encounter of the Third Kind group. This
would include all the abductions and contactees. An unkind person (not me)
might point out that 1% of the general population suffers from schizophrenia.
The arguement could go something like, if 1% of the general population
have major psychosis then it is this psychotic 1% of witnessess that say
they have been abducted.

I have spoken to a large number of abductees/contactees and very few of
them appear to be 'nuts' (I was recently at Leo Sprinkle's Rocky Mountain
UFO Conference - 135 delegates of which about 100 were abductees/contactees).
When I say they did not appear to be nuts, I should point out that I am
not a psychiatrist.

Amongst the abductees and contactees there were peoplelike doctors,
teachers, and other trades people. I would not have any concern about
using the services of any of these people. They just appeared to be ordinary
people with a very extraordinary story to tell.

But where do we go from here?




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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: What About The Last 44 Years ?read/new
Date: 4 Aug 91 04:57:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
 * Originally from Joe Mastroianni
 * Originally dated 08-02-91 12:05

From: [e-mail] (Joe Mastroianni)
Date: 1 Aug 91 15:46:57 GMT
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Gamble x3293)
writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe
Mastroianni) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>>
>>  What can you say to someone who tells you he was stopped by a UFO on the
>> way home from the 7-Eleven? You can start by saying he's nuts. But then,
>> what do you say to the hundreds of thousands of people all over the world
>> who suddenly get brave enough to tell you their bizzare stories. Is everyone
>> nuts? If everyone is nuts, then nuts is normal, by the definition of
"normal".
>>
>[more stuff deleted]
>
>Allen Hynek did an analysis of a largish number of cases and found that
>only about 1% fell into his Close Encounter of the Third Kind group. This
>would include all the abductions and contactees. An unkind person (not me)
>might point out that 1% of the general population suffers from schizophrenia.
>The arguement could go

[Stuff deleted by me]

>Amongst the abductees and contactees there were peoplelike doctors,
>teachers, and other trades people. I would not have any concern about
>using the services of any of these people. They just appeared to be ordinary
>people with a very extraordinary story to tell.
>
>But where do we go from here?
>
>

 Exactly the point.

 Whatever these people are normal. They are normal and of this world.
Something is happening to them that we seem to have a problem explaining
using our language. Consequently, we have to fit their stories into
interpretations we do understand. Some of these interpretations are:

   - They have been abducted by beings from other planets

   - They have been abducted by beings from this planet

   - They have been abducted by beings from somewhere, but who are
     in cahoots with the U.S. government

   - They have been contacted by ghosts of dead people

   - They have been contacted by beings from another dimension


  Our problem as people is that we are beginning to accept that these
normal people are telling the truth. These people did indeed have
needles stuck into their pineal glands. These people did indeed have
chunks of flesh removed from their extremeties. And once we accept these
things, its scares the sh*t out of us. So we have to go back to either
denying it happened, or accepting it happened and putting a label onto it
that inaccurately describes in our limited terms what they experienced.

  There is a severe sense of helplessness that comes from an understanding
that you can be removed, at any time, from the security of your home and
confort of your electric blanket, to have BBs pushed into your cerebral
cortex. This is not a happy thought. In the past, we called people who
thought these things happened, lunatics and schitzophrenics. This is why
people who think they have experienced such things often shut up. Im
not a psychiatrist either, but this reaction seems similar to what is
exhibited by victims of violent personal crimes.

  ANyway, my point, however obtuse, is that we shouldn't go around
ASSUMING anything about these encounters. When Colombus discovered the
western route to India he was dead wrong. He had no idea where he was
or what he had discovered. The Pacific Ocean and other major planetary
features were FICTION to Europeans of his time.  We have no idea what
is going on. And if there is any truth to our belief that we can be
controlled and manipulated like inanimate objects as these "encounter"
stories suggest, why should be believe we carry from those experiences
any real data?  If these are encounters with superior elements of the
universe and its nature, why do we believe we would know any more than
they would want us to know?

  We are in the freaking dark and we are scared out of our minds.


  Joe
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Miscellaneous
Date: 4 Aug 91 19:10:00 GMT


 > From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)


 > Michael Corbin:  Please post any further Usenet discussion of the alleged
 > signals detected in Australia.  I hadn't heard anything in the media, and I
 > don't get sci.astro (right now my feed is having trouble and I'm not
 > getting anything as a matter of fact.)

I have requested further information via Internet.  I will post here as soon
as I hear more.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Roswell Incident -- So =that's= What It Was!
Date: 4 Aug 91 22:22:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Misc.Headlines"
 * Originally from Charles Packer
 * Originally dated 08-04-91 11:56

From: [e-mail] (Charles Packer)
Date: 4 Aug 91 11:11:17 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,soc.history,misc.headlines

The Roswell incident was the high water mark of the famous
flying saucer (more typically, flying disk) craze of 1947 that
began the UFO age. The first sighting, as everyone knows, was
when a Boise businessman-pilot saw nine disks over the Cascade
Mountains in Washington on June 24. Sightings spread, and by
July 6 it was front-page news for the New York Times, with 43
states reporting them. Sightings were starting to be reported in
other countries also. The Roswell "weather balloon" incident
first made news on July 7.

It turns out that there were precursor incidents, however. In
1946 and early 1947, the testing of V-2s at White Sands was
covered fairly well by the Times. One rocket went astray and
exploded in Mexico. There were other mishaps. Also, reports came
from Sweden during that time that rockets were seen flying over
Stockholm. The implication was, in the little that I read of
those stories, that people suspected that the Soviets were
testing rockets at Peenemunde.

Anyway, as I browsed the July, 1947 issues of the Times and the
Albuquerque Journal, I was intrigued by one item in particular
that "points up," as journalists say, the way the press first
teased the public before laughing at them. On July 6, the NY
Times included in a longer story an item to the effect that

   An unidentified "scientist in nuclear physics" at
   the California Institute of Technology was quoted
   today as suggesting the flying saucers might be the
   result of "transmutation of atomic energy" experiments.
   But Dr. C.C. Lauritsen, head of Caltech's nuclear
   physics department denied the source was a member
   of his staff.

The Associated Press dispatch as published in the Journal
handled the denial by Cal Tech this way:

   Cal Tech later issued a denial that one of its
   scientists had suggested the saucers might be
   experiments in "transmutation of atomic energy."
   Dr. C.C. Lauritsen, head of the school's nuclear
   physics department, said he believed the discs
   "have nothing to do with nuclear physics."

There is a subtle difference here. The AP material --
and most of the world saw it, not the Times -- seems to say
that yes, a Cal Tech scientist did say the saucers were about
=something,= if not about "transmutation." Lauritsen's remark
seems to be a response to the unnamed scientist.

The Journal's use of the AP dispatch was not subtle at all.
Their front-page headline heralding the latest developments that
day said

   Atomic Energy Experiments
   Explain 'Flying Saucer',
   Says Scientist; More In Sky

Later in the story, which contained several saucer-related
items, they had the same scientist asserting that the saucers
"are twenty feet in width at the center and are partially
rocket-propelled on the take-off...Such flying disks actually
are in experimental existence."

Experimental existence? Interesting phrase. Maybe it's a
clue to the ultimate nature of the flying saucer scare.
Their "existence" was an experiment. They existed, all right.
In minds -- of the people who planted the stories and of
the journalists who went along with the game. Something we
would call a "hidden agenda" today. It was a time of mass
hysteria and of concern about the effects of "propaganda."
A few years later there would be mass illnesses in factories,
attributed to "mass hypnosis." Would it be out of order
to suggest that some of these frenzies were experimentally
produced?

--
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From: [e-mail] (Kay Schaney)
Subject: Re: Media
Date: 5 Aug 91 04:42:00 GMT



Well I wrote to Jack Rickard at boardwatch magazine for permission to
quote from the article about Soviet BBS's. He gave me permission as
long as this full reference was attached.
Boardwatch Magazine
5970 South Vivian St.
Littleton, CO 80127
1-800-933-6038
Subscription Rate $36.00 per year
I'm not quoting the entire article as most of it isn't relevant to
this echo. I do recommend the magazine to anyone interested in
Electronic BBS's and Online Information Services. So here is the
information on how to call a Soviet BBS from the May 1991 issue of
Boardwatch:
During our last visit, we noted that there was no means to direct dial
a bulletin board system within the Soviet Union. You had to dial an
international operator and let them place the call for you, switching
over to data by entering ATX1 D on your terminal once you actually
heard a modem tone. Moscow is direct dial but anything outside of
Moscow, ..., is a dialing adventure.
Most long distance carriers can't make really make this connection so
you must use AT&T eventually. To avoid the ususal runaround, just dial
102880 to get the AT&T operator from the beginning. And the call
requires a bit of setup.
Plug a normal telephone handset into the telephone RJ-11 jack on your
modem. Setup your terminal for *N1 and the baud rate desired. Type in
ATX1 D on the terminal program but don't press ENTER yet. Dial 102880
to get the operator. Give the operator the number you are trying to
reach. You might mention that you are dialing a data number and she
should expect a modem tone. When you hear the tone, press the enter
key on your system and the link should make within a few seconds.
Carefully hangup the handset - although most modems will disconnect
the handset anyway.
The least expensive time to call is between 0200 and 0700 AM MST.
There are only half a dozen trunks to the Soviet Union so it is quite
common to be notified that all lines are busy and to try your call
later.
--
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 447

                            Tuesday, August 6th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                 Re: NEW PLANET
                                    mars face
                                Upcoming Events.
                                    Re: Media
                                Goverment & UFO's
                                   The Coverup
                                    mars face
                                Gulf Breeze news
                               Lear And Others...
                          Re: Crop Circle: Wiltshire,Uk
                                     (none)
                        A request for a glossary of terms.
                                      VISIT
                            Crop Circles in Wiltshire
                                 Get Well Wish!

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: NEW PLANET
Date: 31 Jul 91 19:01:59 GMT


   NEW YORK (AP) -- Astronomers say they have detected the first known
planet outside the solar system, an object that orbits a very dense star and
is perhaps 12 times as massive as Earth.
   The report challenges scientists' understanding of how some stars form.
   "This object I think is going to require some degree of wild speculation
to explain," said Harvard astronomy professor Ramesh Narayan, who was familar
with the work.
   Other researchers have reported apparent detections of planets outside
the solar system before, but some reports have been refuted and none is
widely accepted.
   Princeton University physics professor Joseph Taylor said he found the
new report persuasive. "They've got something there that is significant, no
question about it," he said.
   David Black, director of the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston,
called the study "a good start" toward a convincing case for the planet's
existence.
   The detection is reported in Thursday's issue of the British journal
Nature by Andrew Lyne, Matthew Bailes and Setnam Shemar of the University of
Manchester's Nuffield Radio Astronomy Laboratories in Jodrell Bank, England.
   "We were very surprised," Lyne said in a telephone interview. The
scientists detected the apparent planet by analyzing radio waves from a very
dense object called a neutron star.
   The waves arrive in pulses about three times a second. But scientists
noticed that this highly precise "clock" would run about a hundredth of a
second fast for a while and then about a hundredth of a second slow. The
cycle repeated itself about every six months.
   Apparently, the speed-up occurred as the star edged about 1,500 miles
toward Earth and the slowdown when it moved away by the same amount, Lyne
said. The motion is separate from the Earth's orbit around the sun.
   The researchers concluded that the star was being pulled to and fro by
the gravitational tug of an unseen planet that orbits it about once every six
months.
   They wrote that the planet's mass is perhaps about 10 times that of
Earth, but Lyne said a better guess is 12 times. The planet is probably about
two to three times the diameter of Earth, depending on whether it is rocky
like Earth or gaseous like Jupiter, he said.
   It orbits the star about as closely as Venus orbits the sun, which is
about seven-tenths the diameter of Earth's orbit, researchers calculated.
   Lyne said it is most unlikely that anything lives on the planet.

AP Wire Service, July 25th, 1991. Used without permission. Presented here
for Paranet research information.
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From: [e-mail] (Tyson Mitchiner)
Subject: mars face
Date: 31 Jul 91 22:43:19 GMT

I do not have a picture or a GIF of this face handy, so after this experiment
is over, I sure would like to know what the heck is going on!

:)

                                                       Tyson

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From: [e-mail] (David Villa)
Subject: Upcoming Events.
Date: 17 Jul 91 19:22:49 GMT


---< 7/17/91 >---*
*
   Some interesting current events which may interest you:

Taken from the flier:

                      PUBLIC BRIEFING:
                 The Lancaster Syndrome, or
            The Military/Industrial/Alien Complex

   Report by Michael Lindemann on recent field research findings
of the Visitors Investigation Project, FEATURING eyewitness
testimony on technological cooperation between aliens and the U.S. military
and aerospace industry.  Incredible but true - and only a hint of what lies
ahead.

WHEN: Tuesday, July 23rd, 7:30pm
WHERE: Louise Lowry Davis Center, corner of Victoria and
   De la Vina, Santa Barbara.  Seating limited.  Arrive early.
TICKETS: $5 at the door.  Preceeds support ongoing research.

Information you need to know.  Plan to attend now.

    their minds on the most compelling
    mystery of our time...

The 2020 Group
Visitors Investigation Project
Is pleased to announce
publication of

_UFOs and the Alien Presence - Six Viewpoints_

   This 240-page quality paperback from the Visitors Investigation Project
brings together, for the first time, the thoughts of several of America's top
UFO researchers in annotated, in-depth interviews conducted durring 1990,
edited and with an introduction by Michael Lindemann.  Chapter by chapter,
this book lays out the essential features of the alien presence, as seen
through the eyes of:

Stanton Friedman, the foremost authority on the U.S. govt. cover-up of UFO's

Linda Moulton Howe, the foremost authority on the phenomenon of animal
mutiliation

Budd Hopkins, the foremost authority on alleged alien abduction of human beings

Donald Ware, Eastern Regional Director for the Mutual UFO Network, who
coordinated MUFON's investigation of the Gulf Breeze sightings and who's latest
research is focused on the "larger reality" behind UFO's - the spiritual
implications of the alien presence.

Also included: personal reports of close encounters with aliens and their
technology, as told by:

Bob Lazar, a physicist who says he worked on alien spacecraft for the U.S.
Govt. (the most detailed telling of Lazar's story ever published), and

Tom, an "average citizen" whose life has been touched by the alien presence
again and again.

This new VIP publication will be nationally advertised at the regular price of
$12.95 but you can order yours now at the introductory price of $9.95 - or save
more on multiple copies.  Please act today.  This special offer expires August
15, 1991.

              The 2020 Group
              Visitors Investigation Project
              3463 State St., Suite 264
              Santa Barbara, CA 93105 USA
              [phone]

Part of the flier is cut off but from what I can tell, shipping on one copy
($9.95) is $1.75 and for 2 or more coppies, $8.50 each and $1.25 shipping per
copy.
   Hope you all enjoy this and are able to make it to David Lindemann's talk
on the 23rd (see above).  I have met and heard some of David Lindemann's
research finding and I, myself, will -NOT- miss his talk.  If any of you are
coming down or up to S.B. for the talk, give me a call and let me know.  Good
luck!

--
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Mcavoy)
Subject: Re: Media
Date: 18 Jul 91 19:07:04 GMT

YEs, I have noticed a lot of Alien topics in the media as well, commercials for
Chuckie Cheese's a kiddie pizza parlor, various shows. McGyver had an excellent
show on the topic of aliens.  There was a family who's mother was very sick
with a cancer, and some people came to them and told them that they were 'space
brothers' and that if the family gave them all their money, then they would be
able to be taken off the planet to a much better world.  McGyver came along and
showed the family how these people were tricking them, (he actually
demonstrated a method of creating an illusion that looked like a common ufo out
of charged methane gas (plasma?))  There was also another character involved in
the show that kept poping in and out wanting to sell everyone Vacuume cleaners.
but at the end of the show they saw a large UFO object take off into the sky,
supposedly picking up that mysterious man who kept appearing at the right
moments to save everyone.  And the show ended with McGyver saying 'It sure
makes ya think about it'

I thought that this ending was excellent because it didn't deny the existance
of Alien life on the planet, or show that without a doubt that there were
aliens, but just told people to 'Think' about it.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Don Wallace)
Subject: Goverment & UFO's
Date: 31 Jul 91 14:14:39 GMT


 From what I read of these messages we sure have some informed and inteligent
folks here. Forgive my possible ignorance on this subject but I find it easy to
believe in the exsistance of UFO's. I find it difficult to believe in a
goverment cover up of same. I don't see the logic in a coverup. I would
appriciate hearing some thaughts on this.

--
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From: [e-mail] (John Powell)
Subject: The Coverup
Date: 4 Aug 91 02:40:23 GMT

In a message to John Powell <01 Aug 91 01:07> Steve Rose wrote:

 > JP> I got ridiculed some months ago for suggesting that the next time
 > JP> someone sees a UFO they should aim a rifle at it instead of a camera,
 > JP> and I was being much more serious than humorous.  How do you respond
 > JP> to that?
 SR> Naw...we are such a loving and giving populous...what ever could
 SR> one be thinking when suggesting that we attack our neighbors and
 SR> challenge our grey friends?  Besides, shooting a rifle in public
 SR> can get you a civil citation. In all likelyhood, you'll just hit
 SR> a street lamp or weather balloon, anyway. ;-)

Hi Steve, yeah - you're probably right...  But the thought of a little Gray
scurrying around with butt full of buckshot is rather humorous... <grin>

Thanks, take care.
John.



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From: [e-mail] (John Powell)
Subject: mars face
Date: 4 Aug 91 02:54:20 GMT

In a message to Jim Graham <31 Jul 91 15:43> Tyson Mitchiner wrote:

 TM> I sure would like to know what the heck is going on!

Me too.  I have 35A72.GIF which is a large picture that shows the face and the
alleged pyramids to the southwest of it.  (With enough imagination you can also
see another face to the right of the main face that is a right-side portrait of
an ape or gorilla...)  And I have MARSFACE.GIF which is a very grainy blowup.
 Then I have 70A13.GIF which seems to show the face and is labeled A, and some
indistinguishable area labelled B on the left of the picture...

So, what's going on?

Thanks, take care.
John.

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Gulf Breeze news
Date: 4 Aug 91 07:24:03 GMT


  In an article in the August 1 Gulf Breeze Sentinel, Vicki Lyons of MUFON
wrote that about a dozen people saw the "red light" UFO hovering over the
Bob Sikes (Three Mile) Bridge at about 9:15 p.m. Friday, July 26.
  The sighting lasted a few minutes, and ended when the UFO brightened to
white and disappeared.
  Believe it or not, Ed Walters was driving across the bridge at
approximately that time.

                                              jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Lear And Others...
Date: 5 Aug 91 05:42:00 GMT

Mike Keithly said:

 >   Anyone have any idea who is TS Bennet?  Is this his real name or what
 > transpired of this so called bad guy..
 >
 >                         Mike Keithly

 Oh yes, Little Timmy Bennett is real, and I had the dubious pleasure of
meeting him very briefly at the LA Expo West several months ago. However the
trip he made to Dulce, and all the fresh air he must have breathed did nothing
for the fog that must encompass his mind.

Timmy used to access ParaNet until it was learned that Timmy "could not work
or play well with others".......  at which time he was sent home. )-:

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: Crop Circle: Wiltshire,Uk
Date: 5 Aug 91 05:44:00 GMT

Linda Bird wrote;

 > c.c. and perhaps UFO Magazine will print some (hint, hint)

Well Linda you will be happy to note that the next issue of UFO will have a
number of stories about the crop circle enigma.  Stay tuned.....


Don

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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 5 Aug 91 18:48:14 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


Subject:  A request for a glossary of terms.

I have been having trouble understanding what some people
are saying lately regarding 'gray' aliens because it seems
as though each person has a different meaning when they
speak of 'The Grays.'  Would it be a good idea for ParaNet
to form a glossary of terms so that it is more clear
what is being said?

The first one for me would be 'Grays.'
Let's look at Webster's definition for insight
(with appropriate apologies).


Webster's 7th Collegiate Dictionary, Copyright (C) 1963 by Merriam-Webster,
Inc.  No part of this information may be copied or reprinted without the
express written consent of the publisher.

1. gray \'gra-\ aj [ME, fr. OE gr<a-e>-g; akin to OHG gra-o gray, OSlav
   z]ibreve>rebreve>ti to see 1: of the color gray; also : dull in color 2:
   having the hair gray : HOARY 3: clothed in gray 4: dull in mood or outlook
   5: bordering on black-market practices - gray.ly av
2. gray n 1: something (as a horse, garment, cloth, spot) of a gray color
   2: a neutral or achromatic color ranging between black and white
3. gray vt : to make gray to become gray
4. gray n (slang)  1: any of the many extra-terrestrials that like to turn
   cows inside out and drink hormones instead of Gatorade.  2: evil
   conspirators responsible for all that is bad in the world.  3: any
   person in a body-stocking posing as a friend of the President.
   4: anyone holding a ray-gun.


Gee.  Such a broad range of meanings!!!

So that single individuals needn't do all the work, perhaps
the moderators could 'farm out' certain words for inclusion
and then simply edit them to suit uniformity.  I'm sure that
readers have many ideas of their own for words to be included.
People can therefore just post them with a defining
sentence/paragraph.  Everyone else can then pick it
apart and say what a great/lousy definition it is.

This could include a brief paragraph about certain events such
as Gulf Breeze, or George Adamski, etc.--perhaps that would need
to be of a point-counterpoint format.

I mean this in complete seriousness.  The black and white text of mail
messages makes it hard enough to read postings since one cannot
always discern the tone of the writer.  Ever-changing word
meanings add too much confusion.

After the definition standards have been established, penalties
for misuse would be for a skeptic to have to listen to a believer
for 1 hour, and vice versa.  Kind of like the rat in 1984.

Greg ([e-mail])





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From: EBay.Sun.COM!Michael.Miller
Subject: VISIT
Date: 5 Aug 91 20:10:58 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Michael Miller - Rev. Admin.)


I was wondering if any subscriber to this newsletter is familiar with
VISIT* which is run by NASA?

I would be interested in hearing information from others about this.

-Michael


*VISIT (VEHICLE INTERNAL SYSTEMS INVESTIGATION TEAM)




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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Crop Circles in Wiltshire
Date: 5 Aug 91 21:33:49 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

In alt.alien.visitors, [e-mail] (Robert Trevelyan) writes:
+
+    On July 17 the largest and most extraordinary of all pictograms
+appeared in a wheatfield below Barbury Castle, an Iron age hill-fort
+near Swindon. Nothing had been in the field at Barbury Castle at 9 p.m
+the previous evening when local pilot had flown over it .The formation
+consists of an enormous equilateral triangle (with side of about 180 ft)
+which encloses a doubly-ringed circle. Rings are widely separated
+and each about 7 ft wide. Each angle of the triangle is bisected by
+pathways leading from the centre of the formation to circular designs,
+each different, beyond each apex. One design is a plain ring (38 ft diam).
+The second is a ring of similar size like a flower with six petals.
+The third is a spiral which opens out in six steps, like a ratchet,
+each time it turns through 90 degrees; this is of similar size to the
+other designs.
+
+    Obviously Meaden's theory that the circles are caused by a naturally
+occurring atmospheric vortex could not possibly survive acceptance of
+this great geometric design as the genuine phenomenon, and the next
+day he made a statement to the media to the effect that he believed it
+a hoax. This was inevitable. However all the other researchers are in
+complete agreement that the pictogram is genuine and represents yet
+another stage in the evolution of this bizarre phenomenon. Apart from
+physical characteristics being the same, the dowsing reactions in the
+pictogram are very strong and definite. The whole formation seems to
+be charged with an almost tangible energy.
+
+A keen circles watcher had been cropwatching with two friends at
+Beckhampton at about midnight when they had seen a pulsing light
+moving silently across the sky. During the course of the next hour
+they saw five more such objects, some white and some pulsing green,
+red and white. All were silent though at times they seemed
+comparatively close to where they stood. At one time a dark object
+flew swiftly and silently overhead, blotting out the stars.
+The three were quite frightened by this strange display, and
+likened what they'd seen to a sequence from 'Close Encounters of
+the Third Kind'.  Some of their sightings were in the direction
+of Barbury Castle which is just five miles away, but at the time
+of telling this story were quite unaware of what had been found
+in the fields.
+
+    Other reports are still being received of anomalous lights in the
+sky in that area on that night. In the morning two other pictograms
+were also found within about three miles of the magnificent one at
+Barbury Castle. On the following night it is reported that Wroughton,
+a town about two miles away, was shaken by a loud aerial explosion
+which caused all the lights to go out, and cars failed to start.
+The area rapidly filled with army vehicles which appeared to be looking
+for something, but the power soon came back on again and normality was
+restored.
+
+    What is going on in this part of Wiltshire ???
+
++-------------------------------------------------------------------+
+|       DISCLAIMER:         |
+| The views expressed in this document are not a corporate view     |
+| nor reflect the views of my employer by any means but are my      |
+| own personal views on this subject .         |
+|             |
+| Robert Trevelyan   UKnet: [e-mail] |
+| AIX Communications   VNET: TREVELR at BASVM2     |
+|     Voice: [phone]     |
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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Get Well Wish!
Date: 5 Aug 91 17:56:00 GMT

For any of you that have read Timothy Good's excellent work "Above
Top Secret" perhaps you will remember the section concerning a
young Air Force lieutenant who was part of a special Air Force
Squadron detailed to fly special photo reconnaissance missions, to
film UFOs. Good used the pseudonym "Mel Noel". Some of you know his
real name, Guy Kirkwood.

Guy Kirkwood is a friend of mine, and I feel he has advanced the
cause of UFOlogy by his very courageous admissions. Guy lives in
San Diego, Ca. and now owns a custom automobile body business.

Two weeks ago while working on one of his auto's, there was an
explosion in his work place that badly burned Guy with second and
third degree burns over the back of his body. Guy has been in the
burn unit in intensive care since then. Thankfully he is in the
process of recovering, and to help this process he has undergone a
number of skin graft operations. I have spoken to Guy on the phone
a couple of times, and he would appreciate hearing from one or all
of you. If you can take a couple of minutes out of your schedule,
send Guy a get well note, he would sure appreciate it. The
following is his address.

Guy Kirkwood
1231 Flamingo
El Cajon, Ca.  92021

Thanks for your time.

Don Ecker

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 448

                           Saturday, August 10th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                     (none)
                          How to reach people on fidonet
                                Goverment & UFO's
                                Gulf Breeze news
                                  Re: Bennewitz
                                    Re: VISIT
                             Winchester Crop Circles
                     A Strange Object/New Circles at the Punchbowl
          Alien Spacecraft To Be Displayed? [forwarded From Sci.astro]
                           Aliens from outer space...
                                     (none)
                                 Belgium Update

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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 6 Aug 91 17:42:41 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


Subject:  How to reach people on fidonet

To the following people:

[e-mail] (Deane Ward)

[e-mail] (John Feilke)

[e-mail]

I have tried to send each of you separate private email
over the last month or so and have received no response.
Have you received anything from me?  Is there some other
address you can give me?

Thank you.

Greg ([e-mail])





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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Goverment & UFO's
Date: 6 Aug 91 17:03:00 GMT


 >  From what I read of these messages we sure have some informed and
 > inteligent
 > folks here. Forgive my possible ignorance on this subject but I find it
 > easy to believe in the exsistance of UFO's. I find it difficult to
 > believe in a goverment cover up of same. I don't see the logic in a
 > coverup. I would appriciate hearing some thaughts on this.


Don, my short answer is that I find it just as difficult to believe as you do.
Which is why I am so suprised at the amount of evidence that has been
collected that shows that a cover-up does indeed exist. Please read "Clear
Intent", "Above Top Secret", and of course, "UFO Crash at Roswell".

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Gulf Breeze news
Date: 6 Aug 91 17:05:00 GMT


 >
 >   In an article in the August 1 Gulf Breeze Sentinel, Vicki Lyons ofMUFON
 > wrote that about a dozen people saw the "red light" UFO hovering over the
 > Bob Sikes (Three Mile) Bridge at about 9:15 p.m. Friday, July 26.
 >   The sighting lasted a few minutes, and ended when the UFO brightened to
 > white and disappeared.
 >   Believe it or not, Ed Walters was driving across the bridge at
 > approximately that time.
 >
 >                                               jbh

Somehow, don't ask me how, but yes, I believe whole-heartedly that Ed was
driving across the bridge at approximately that time.

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Re: Bennewitz
Date: 8 Aug 91 05:33:42 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

To: Linda Bird

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I just got your message
yesterday...

+   Bennewitz is the fellow with the Philadephia Experiment, right?

No, you're confusing two men with very bizarre stories whose last names
begin with 'B.'  :-)  Al Bielek is the one with the outrageous twists on
the Philadelphia Experiment.  Dr. Paul Bennewitz is a scientist with a lab
near Kirtland AFB who became concerned about UFOs continually buzzing
government research installations in the area. About the same time, he
became aware of the cattle mutilations, and more particularly of an
abductee who claimed to have witnessed one actually being performed.  He
was extremely concerned about all this and wanted the government to know
it.  As a result, for reasons known fully only to themselves, the
government started feeding him massive amounts of Lear/Cooper-type
disinformation, all of which he kept feeding back to the government and
anyone else who would listen as the absolute truth.  He eventually had to
be hospitalized for a nervous breakdown after things got to the point
where he became unable to sleep for fear of being attacked by the aliens.
He apparently hasn't given up though, because as I said recently he's
issued more stories about the base near Dulce.

+   I think he's going to be in the Phoenix area for a Tim Green Beckley
+conference - is Bennewitz worth paying money to hear speak?

Personally, I'd pay to hear either Bennewitz or Bielek speak, just for an
evening's diversion.  I wouldn't believe a word either of them said unless
I had evidence, though.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schuyler)
Subject: Re: VISIT
Date: 7 Aug 91 20:15:00 GMT

*VISIT (VEHICLE INTERNAL SYSTEMS INVESTIGATION TEAM)

This reminds me of when i used to work for one of the Beltway Bandits.
We came across a reference to CANTRAC and felt it necessary to find out
what it meant without asking the Navy, whome we were working for and
for which we were supposedly experts. We sent a librarian to the
closest regional Medical library to track down what kind of "cancer"
acronym this was.

Turned out to be: "Catalog of Naval Training Courses"
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Winchester Crop Circles
Date: 8 Aug 91 15:30:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
 * Originally from Robert Trevelyan
 * Originally dated 08-07-91 13:32

+From: [e-mail] (Robert Trevelyan)
Date: 5 Aug 91 18:21:39 GMT
Organization: IBM AIX Systems Support Centre, UK.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
+Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors

******************************************************************
Subject:        A Strange Object/New Circles at the Punchbowl
******************************************************************

       While driving home from Twyford, Hants on Wednesday evening
 along the M3 with my wife we noticed this strange dark object
 "flying ?" above us . It was very much a oval/rectangle shape and
 seemed to be flying about 45 degrees forward of vertical . This
 object had a very bright light at the top and bottom of the view
 we could see and these were not flashes but pulsing . This object
 gradually gained speed and as it did so the pulsing lights got
 faster and faster . Eventually it sped up and was a good five miles
 in front of us but still parallel to the M3 and the pulsing light was
 still extremely bright . The light seemed to be pulsing and the two
 lights seemed to pulse and create a third in the middle of them.

   We were also aware of another object pacing it but about half a mile
 behind it. This could have been a helicopter as it had a flashing light
 but it also had a bright white light coming from underneath it like a
 spotlight . Eventually the bright pulsing red light really sped up and
 disappeared below the horizon. It was about 9:50 and getting quite dark
 but we could make out that the object, what ever it was, was very large.

     We live within about 10 miles from RAF Odiham , a Chinook helicopter
 base and at first thought it was a Chinook, but dismissed this as even
 one of these that low would be heard over the road noise. It was
 probably twice the size of a Chinook and had totally different lights
 underneath it and these were far too bright and were pulsing.
 All very strange ....

  The weird part of the story is that after this light had disappeared
 my wife joked that it was probably on its way home from creating a
 crop circle in the Punch Bowl .

 Well, curiosity took over and last evening we went down to Cheesefoot
 Head to see if anything had appeared and to our amazement there is
 a formation in the Punch Bowl. This formation a basically a 2 or 3
 ringed circle with a tail and is near the edge on the left . We saw
 it about 10 pm last evening and as it was nearly dark details of
 the formation were quite sketchy . It could be a hoax as it is near
 the edge for easy access and its tail or spur looked rough . I will
 probably go back down there over the weekend and check this out .
 If it is for real I wonder if it is tied up with the pulsing light ?
********************************************************************
       I re-visited the Punch Bowl on Friday night and the formation
 looks a genuine one. It is basically a "insectogram" head and
 antennae . The head is two rings with very large curving paths
 coming from it with smaller circles at the end .

   Also Thursday night a new formation appeared by the very first
 formation at Chilcomb . This is difficult to see from the road but
 looks similar to the original one but larger . Friday night it had
 been swamped with people and is now probably very trampled.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Alien Spacecraft To Be Displayed? [forwarded From Sci.astro]
Date: 8 Aug 91 15:53:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Misc.Headlines"
 * Originally from Daniel Fischer
 * Originally dated 08-06-91 12:11

+From: [e-mail] (Daniel Fischer)
Date: 6 Aug 91 11:15:42 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Radioastronomie, Bonn
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
+Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,sunyab.flotsam

+From: [e-mail] (Huw Jonathan Rogers)
+Newsgroups: sci.astro
+Subject: Aliens from outer space...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 5 Aug 91 04:14:01 GMT
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: Murder Inc.


        I recently heard a Radio One program in the UK that contained
an interview with a leading proponent of the popular "US Government has
aliens locked up and is experimenting with their spaceplanes" conspiracy
theory. However this particular individual sounded very reasonable, did
not make any outrageous claims, and further had some interesting facts
to disclose. In particular he mentioned several verifiable facts which
I would like some followup on:

        Rockwell International and NASA were planning a *massive*
joint exhibition of space exploration this year (1991) but it was delayed
inexplicably until 1992. In the *official* prospectus for this exhibition,
one of the exhibits was clearly stated to be "an extraterrestrial space
craft". When asked about this by various individuals, all enquiries
were referred by NASA to the US DoD. An unnamed Pentagon spokesman speaking
off the record is meant to have indicated that they "had a number of such
vehicles to choose from..."
        The Pentagon also held a press conference to deal with press
inquiries on this matter - and refused to answer any questions. In fact
reporters later said that the Pentagon had asked most of the questions,
and they all pertained to "what would be the public reaction if...".

        The guy on the radio program referred extensively to two NASA
consultant engineers who claimed to have worked on alien spacecraft
studying propulsion systems for NASA - both had high level security
clearance in the States, were verifiably employed by NASA as senior
consultant engineers, and both were phoned in the States by the station
in a followup program (which I missed) the next day. The followup program
incidentally was only scheduled at the last minute due to record phone
calls from the public swamping Radio 1's 64 line switchboard...

        He also claimed that a NSA official had told him off the record
that the NSA was in "electronic communication" with at least eight
extraterrestrial sources of intelligent communication...

        He claimed that he possessed a recording of a telephone conversation
with an ex deputy director of the CIA (Casey's deputy as I recall), who
said that they (the CIA) had possession of quite a few alien artefacts,
including bodies, spacecraft and other miscellaneous bits and pieces.
He also verified on tape claims that several alien landings at US AFBs had
occured in the past, and in some cases were common knowledge amongst certain
groups of AFB personnel: "Hear what came in this morning, Joe?"...

        Various farmers in a certain area of the US (I forget the state
that was mentioned) regularly discovered bloodless (drained) cattle in
various stages of dismemberment in the early morning. These animals had
had certain glands, body parts, or body fluids surgically removed with a
precision beyond the capabilities of all but the most advanced surgical
laboratories. This problem was so bad that in one place a farmer was in
danger of going bust due to loss of cattle. One explanation advanced was that
aliens were using these cattle as a convenient source of various rare
chemicals/tissues.

        The technology in the latest black projects that have progressed
to flight hardware - Aurora, Strike, etc. - seems to be well beyond the
capabilities of current commercial (defense/aerospace) technology. In
particular ablative control surfaces and reliable flight control at speeds
in excess of Mach 4 are characteristics of such craft, sightings of which
are widespread in Nevada along with reliable evidence (supersonic boom
disruption?) of such speeds.

        Any comments/hard info. on any of these assertions would be
much appreciated - please post as I am sure others are interested too.

        -Huw

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: (none)
Date: 8 Aug 91 16:01:00 GMT


 > From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
 > Date: 6 Aug 91 17:42:41 GMT
 > Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 > Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >
 > From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


 > Subject:  How to reach people on fidonet
 >
 > To the following people:
 >
 > [e-mail] (Deane Ward)
 >
 > [e-mail] (John Feilke)
 >
 > [e-mail]
 >
 > I have tried to send each of you separate private email
 > over the last month or so and have received no response.
 > Have you received anything from me?  Is there some other
 > address you can give me?

Direct your traffic to:

Name of [e-mail]

My mailer forwards the mail to these sites.

Mike

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Date: 9 Aug 91 06:34:00 GMT

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THE BELGIAN SIGHTINGS

by Auguste Meessen

-  -  Auguste  Meessen is professor of physics  at  the  Catholic
University of Louvain. This article, which first appeared in  the
November  1990 issue of Inforespace, is reprinted by  permission.
It  was translated by Andrea Donderi, Mark Rodeghier, and  W.  D.
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     The sightings that occurred in Belgium between November 1989
and  June 1990 have given us an impressive body of new  data.  We
have  even  been  able  to study in  detail  material  from  both
military and civilian ground radar screens. Moreover, an in-depth
examination of on-board radar data from one of the F-16s sent  up
by  the Belgian Air Force during the night of March 30-31,  1990,
is currently under way. As far as I know, this is the first  such
opportunity  in the world, but much remains to be done.  I  shall
therefore only give an overview of this research. I shall outline
what we are doing and briefly describe our methods.
     I  shall  also  include  some  remarks  on  the  unwarranted
generalizations  that are still too frequently encountered  (from
skeptics)  and  on the reactions of eyewitnesses in  the  current
socio-psychological climate in European ufology. Finally, I shall
present  a few reports of sightings made in Belgium  and  abroad.
One  case in particular, the enormous lozenge-shaped object  that
flew over the outskirts of the town of Eupen on December 1, 1989,
is  representative  of  the quality and  importance  of  the  new
information. In assessing reports it is important to be aware  of
what has been happening in other countries, so I shall include  a
few  foreign cases that suggest the wave of sightings may not  be
over.

Ground investigations

     At  the  beginning  of December 1989  I  joined  the  SOBEPS
(Societe Belge d'Etude des Phenomenes Spatiaux) investigation. It
was  vital to familiarize myself personally with the  number  and
quality   of  the  eyewitness  reports.  I  concentrated   almost
exclusively on the Eupen region, of which I am a native. I  hoped
that my fluency in German and my profession as a physicist  would
help   loosen   people's  tongues.  I  have   noted   that   many
eyewitnesses,  and  particularly  the  most  reliable  ones  with
important social responsibilities, are reluctant to discuss  what
they   have  seen  because  of   irrational   socio-psychological
pressures.
     The evening of November 29, 1989, was decisive, because  two
Eupen  police officers had the courage to describe on  television
the UFO they had painstakingly observed. There were several other
sightings  that same day. I shall be compiling a list of them  in
the book that SOBEPS is planning to publish. I have discovered  a
series  of eyewitness accounts that form a coherent  sequence  in
time  and  space that day. The sightings made by Mr. J  (more  on
which  later)  provide one example of what can  be  learned  from
these  witnesses. In my opinion, data of these kinds, when  taken
together  with  the  whole body of sightings  worldwide,  pose  a
challenge  to  the scientific community and to  every  thoughtful
person.
     Journalists  have had an especially important role. Some  of
them  have performed their work conscientiously, but others  were
simply seeking sensational stories. Yet more felt obliged to lead
a personal crusade against the gathering of eyewitness reports. I
will cite just one example whose immediate effects I observed.
     A few days after December 18, 1989, a gendarme in the  Eupen
area  refused  to tell me what he had seen, probably  because  on
that  date  a local daily paper had published  an  article  which
asserted that the "most plausible explanation" for UFO  sightings
was  that the U. S. Air Force was secretly testing F-117A  planes
over  Belgium.  This  article  was  preceded  by  the  impressive
headline  "Explanation  from  Washington,"  and  the   subheading
referred  to a "hysteria" of UFO sightings. I was sent a copy  of
this paper the same day and immediately inquired into the matter,
since these stories also form an aspect of the UFO phenomenon.
     It  turned out that the "explanation" was only  speculation,
put forward by the Flemish paper Het Laatste Nieuws. I phoned the
journalist who wrote the article that triggered off a rumor which
is  still causing much ink to be spilt. He explained that he  had
just  read  an article on the F-117A and wished to pass  on  such
information to his readers. To make his article more interesting,
he  had suggested (gratuitously, with no reference to the  actual
sightings) that there might be a possible connection with  recent
sightings  in  Belgium. In the meantime, I had learned  from  Lt.
Col.  De Brouwer, Chief of Operations of the Belgian  Air  Force,
that  the  Air  Force had sought information  from  the  American
Embassy  to help them explain the reports. This should  not  have
been necessary if the sightings were caused by secret  exercises,
as  De  Brouwer routinely would have been informed  of  any  such
overflights.  Instead,  he took the trouble  to  secure  accurate
information  about what the many Belgian eyewitnesses had  really
seen.
     Learning  that  an official American disclaimer  was  to  be
published, I telephoned the Eupen journalist to tell him the news
and to ask him to publish a correction as soon as possible.  When
I asked him why he had spoken of "an explanation from Washington"
and  characterized  the eyewitness accounts of  local  people  as
"hysterical " he responded, "I am against all that." I appreciate
his  candor,  but  that  does not  square  with  the  regard  for
objectivity one expects of journalists. Such attitudes constitute
disinformation and serve to dissuade eyewitnesses; they make  the
search for truth more difficult.

The search for more objective information

     Having convinced myself of the reality and importance of the
wave  of UFO sightings in our country, I concluded that it  would
have  been  scientifically  irresponsible  to  ignore  this  wave
without  trying to find out what had turned up on  our  country's
radar screens. I did not know how to gain access to the data, but
I felt that reason would eventually prevail. Since early December
1989  I  had  been in contact with Lt. Col.  De  Brouwer  at  the
Headquarters of the Belgian Air Force, requesting that any  radar
documentation  be  preserved  for a  thorough  scientific  study.
Shortly afterwards I sent a similar written request to Guy Coeme,
Minister of National Defense.
     I also met the head of the air traffic control at  Zaventem,
the  Brussels  airport.  I learned that  he  and  his  associates
preserve  recordings of radar data for several weeks on  magnetic
tape  in  the event of any inquiries relating to  air  safety.  I
therefore  addressed a written request to Mr. Vandenbroucke,  the
General Manager of the Airlines Administration, for permission to
videotape   certain  excerpts.  These  would  be  restricted   to
sequences  selected on the basis of the number of  fairly  close-
range and reliable UFO sightings. The goal was to verify  whether
there  had been any suspicious radar traces before or  after  the
sighting  times,  given that the UFOs were  doubtless  below  the
radar coverage at the time of very low-altitude sightings.
     Although  the response was delayed, a call  to  Vanenbroucke
brought immediate cooperation. I convey my warm thanks to him and
to  the Chief Engineer and the technical radar personnel  of  our
national  airport  for  their  effective  support,  which  proved
useful. In consequence I have been able to film and analyze  more
than 180 hours of data from the Bertem radar installation,  which
serves Zaventem airport. In brief, two surprising and significant
discoveries  emerged  from this material. I shall  describe  them
later. One of these discoveries concerned the fact that echoes of
unidentified  origin  often moved along  linear  trajectories  of
limited length. This perplexed me. I continued to collect as many
data  as possible, refusing to adopt any  particular  hypothesis.
Furthermore, it was vital to analyze these data quickly so that I
could  assimilate their essential characteristics  and  determine
what was worth studying more closely. In fact, I was involved  in
a race against time, since the magnetic tapes were retained  only
for a few weeks. Any potentially important material that I failed
to save would be lost forever.
     I   also  hoped  to  gain  access  to  the  military   radar
documentation,  although I knew this would be more difficult.  An
increasingly  close  and productive collaboration  had  developed
with  Lt. Col. De Brouwer and with Lt. Col. Billen, Chief of  the
Glons radar installation. They shared my profound conviction that
an in-depth study was required, both to understand better the UFO
phenomenon and to elucidate the mysterious phenomenon that I  had
discovered, probably of atmospheric origin.
     During  this stage of the investigation an  important  event
occurred.  I knew that the Belgian Air Force planned to  scramble
F-16  fighters  in  cases where UFO sightings  were  reported  by
reliable  eyewitnesses  with  additional  confirmation  by  other
evidence.  These  conditions seemed to have been met  during  the
night  of March 30-31, 1990. Although I was notified at an  early
stage,  I had to wait for the Air Force's preliminary  evaluation
of the data before learning anything more.
     For  my part, I kept Lt. Col. De Brouwer informed  about  my
research on the data from the Bertem radar. He saw the benefit of
checking  these  data against those from the  military  radar  at
Semmerzake.  I was accordingly authorized to go there and  obtain
extracts  from these tapes. The information regarding the  events
of  the night of March 30-31 remained inaccessible since  an  Air
Force investigation was underway, but we were making progress all
the  same.  The Semmerzake data were more accurate  and  detailed
than those I already had.
     Consequently,  I  was  able to compare  the  data  from  the
Semmerzake military radar with those from the Bertem civil radar,
whose echoes are instantaneously transmitted to Semmerzake.  They
are   subject   to   even  less  filtering  than   on   the   air
controllers' screens at Zaventem airport. I could thus  establish
the  coordinates  and other characteristics  of  each  individual
echo.  The  analysis  was  laborious  but  made  it  possible  to
decisively  confirm  the preliminary conclusions drawn  from  the
video films taken at Zaventem.

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 449

                           Saturday, August 10th 1991

Today's Topics:

                             Belgium Update, Part 2
                             Belgium Update, Part 3
                             Belgium Update, Part 4

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From: [e-mail] (sm)
Subject: Belgium Update, Part 2
Date: 9 Aug 91 06:35:00 GMT

<Continued from previous message>

     After  the release of the Air Force report in the summer  of
1990, there were irrational reactions on the part of some  French
media.   Lt.  Col.  De  Brouwer  responded  by   supplying   more
information,  hoping to demonstrate that the situation  was  more
complex  and  better documented than many supposed, and  that  it
merited  further analysis. He resolutely followed an  open-minded
policy.  Some  journalists had labeled the  military  "The  Great
Mute"; by contrast, Lt. Col. De Brouwer maintained that "we  have
nothing to hide in this matter." I can attest to his deep honesty
and courage.
     After  talking  with a reporter from Paris  Match  (July  5,
1990,  issue), De Brouwer also allowed some members of SOBEPS  to
see an extract from the video film of the on-board radar from one
of  the  F-16s. The series of photos we were authorized  to  take
enabled me to make a preliminary assessment, and I realized  then
the   extremely  strange  nature  of  these  data.  Having   made
considerable  headway in interpreting some of the  initial  radar
data,  1 could see that the same explanation would not  work  for
these astonishing observations.
     In  order to go further, I needed the express permission  of
the  Minister of National Defense. Since my written  request  had
met with no response, probably because of bureaucratic inertia, I
decided  to telephone the Minister, Guy Coeme. His  response  was
almost  immediate: "I believe in openness." This was, I think,  a
historic attitude. In any event, it was an exemplary action, from
which other countries will soon, I hope, draw inspiration.
    After  this everything went like clockwork, albeit one  whose
hands  moved slowly. For instance, I received the data  from  the
Glons radar for the main events of March 30-31, 1990, on November
2, fully seven months later. The appropriate permissions had  all
been  granted,  but other military missions (in  particular,  the
Gulf  crisis  and  the intervention in  Rwanda)  took  precedence
compared  to  UFO  investigations. Still, there  can  be  a  real
advantage  to  letting  ideas  settle for  a  while.  At  present
thorough  studies are being undertaken in complete  collaboration
with an officer-engineer of the Belgian Air Force. I do not  wish
to  name  him  so  as to prevent him  from  being  besieged  with
inquiries.  The  conclusions of our study will be  published  but
only when this can be done in a responsible manner.

The fundamental results

     Almost  continually, radar screens show sporadic echoes  not
correlated  with  aircraft.  Radar operators  call  these  echoes
"angels"as  if  they  were  pure spirits.  For  them  the  echoes
constitute annoying "noise" and are ignored as much as  possible.
A priori they could just as easily be UFOs as natural  phenomena.
They  appear  only  occasionally, all over  the  screen.  An  air
traffic  controller cannot afford to waste time and attention  on
them. When I systematically recorded the positions in which these
"angels"  appeared,  however, I noted that they  often  moved  in
practically  straight  lines.  I have labeled  this  the  "flying
angels effect."
    The average speed of this movement is low relative to that of
aircraft (about 50 km//h). There are random fluctuations, but the
mean  speed is well-defined. The lines of motion are  of  limited
length, and their direction of motion is not correlated with  the
wind. Furthermore they can appear (perhaps even more often)  when
the sky is clear. The Semmerzake radar could locate the  physical
position of the radar returns. As the data accumulated, it became
evident that this phenomenon could not involve UFOs. It had to be
an  atmospheric problem, albeit a fairly special one,  since  the
radar  operators whom I consulted had not noticed this effect.  A
comprehensive  survey  of  the  literature  indicated  that  this
phenomenon  had  not  been  described  either.  I  have   finally
discovered an explanation based on known physical principles  and
on  some independent data. It will be described elsewhere when  I
have had time to verify it further. The "flying angels effect" is
undoubtedly of atmospheric origin.
    My  second main finding was that I found no  reliable  traces
associated with eyewitness accounts of UFO sightings, even when I
examined  the  traces over a wide range of times  and  places.  I
knew,  however,  that  there had been  previous  cases  of  radar
detection  of  UFOs.  The evidence in these  cases  seems  to  be
acceptable  (and  cannot  be explained  by  the  "flying  angels"
phenomenon). Given the lack of radar confirmation in Belgium,  it
would  be  easy  to put forward one or the  other  of  these  two
simplistic  hypotheses:  either the witnesses saw  nothing  of  a
material  nature,  or F-117 Stealth aircraft were  involved.  But
neither one nor the other hypothesis takes into account the whole
range  of  what was observed. The UFOs sighted  in  Belgium  were
usually  described  as  platforms, either  stationary  or  moving
horizontally.  This is sufficient to explain the low  probability
of detection by ground radars. The radar beams would be reflected
back as if by a horizontal mirror. The same technique is used for
the F-117A Stealth plane.
    On several occasions the UFOs had been described as having  a
vertical edge and a dome on top. Seen laterally or from above, as
from  an aircraft, radar detection might therefore be easier.  So
an F-16 might possibly detect a UFO of this kind, if the surfaces
were  not  made of radar-absorbent material.  This  presents  new
questions,  since  if UFOs are extraterrestrial,  why  are  their
shapes now different from previously reported objects? Could they
have adapted their craft's shape in order to evade our  detection
systems,  or  is it just a coincidence, resulting from  the  fact
that this batch of visitors come from somewhere else?
    As for the data from the F-16 on-board radar, which  operates
differently from ground radars and can record different kinds  of
data,  I  can  only  say,  for the  time  being,  that  they  are
astonishing. In particular, there are abrupt changes in speed  as
well as other strange features. This calls for a technical,  far-
reaching,  and careful study. We have made a start. I don't  know
what conclusion we will reach, nor when we shall reach it.

The views of Science & Vie

     With  a few rare exceptions, the French media's coverage  of
the  Belgian  UFO  sightings has not been  distinguished  by  its
objectivity.  Some writers did not hesitate to quite openly  make
fun of the "little Belgians" and their "tales " but we shall  see
who  laughs  last. What surprised me most was the fact  that  the
magazine  Science & Vie (Science & Life) had launched a  sort  of
anti-UFO  crusade. I have often admired this magazine's  articles
of scientific popularization. It has, in the past, taken a  clear
responsibility  for public's scientific education. It is all  the
more  deplorable,  then,  that  in  this  area  it  traffics   in
irrational,  unscientific polemics. The only advantage may be  to
document  the fact for future generations that at the end of  the
20th  Century  people reacted in this fashion, in  spite  of  the
lessons that they could have drawn from the history of science.
     When there is a conflict between a new kind of fact and  the
established  conceptual  framework,  people tend to  hang  on  to
preconceived  ideas. What does not fit in with the theories  that
are  regarded as unshakable is filtered out or repressed.  People
refuse to face reality. So far as UFOs are concerned, the  method
consists  of  selecting some facts that can be explained,  it  is
thought, in a conventional manner. Then it is believed that  this
result  can be extrapolated, without any effort's being  made  to
examine  the rest of the data. This leads to what can  be  termed
unwarranted generalizations.
     In its January 1990 issue (No. 868), Science & Vie showed no
hesitation  in discrediting all the Belgian eyewitnesses  on  the
basis  of  just  one photograph. This photo,  taken  near  Eupen,
showed a big luminous dot. The photographers submitted the  photo
to  SOBEPS, along with several others from the same  event.  Even
though  the  photo  had little to do  with  the  many  eyewitness
sightings,  it  could  have  been  given  an  detailed  analysis.
Instead,  the  editorial  team  of Science  &  Vie  preferred  an
unsupported   interpretation,   strongly  suggesting   that   all
eyewitness reports smacked of "poetry" or optical illusions.
    In the June issue (No. 813) the magazine provided information
about the F-I 17A Stealth aircraft. This sort of information  had
just  been  made public by the U.S. Air Force. The title  of  the
article-"The UFO: This Is It," showing an example of an F-  117A-
speaks  volumes  about  the  magazine's  commercial  rather  than
scientific   intentions.  Again,  it  insinuated  that  all   the
witnesses  must have been mistaken, like the Belgian  Air  Force.
The author of this article and everyone involved clearly felt  no
need  to  conduct on-the-spot inquiries in order to  obtain  more
information and acquire an objective view of the facts.
    The October issue (No. 877) of Science & Vie announced on its
first  page  that it was "on the track of the Belgian  UFOs."  In
fact, the author was concerned only with the events of March  30-
31,  1990,  and  the  involvement  of  the  Belgian  Air   Force.
Apparently he felt that this constituted the core of the  matter,
and that by debunking it he could dispose of the whole story.  He
considered  only  the  initial  reports,  which  contained   raw,
unanalyzed information. The author of the article is  intelligent
and  able,  but  his  method resembled  more  that  of  a  lawyer
defending a specific brief than that of a scientist  representing
the quest for truth. After the press conference given by Lt. Col.
De Brouwer, the F-I 17A hypothesis had been discredited, but that
need   be  no  obstacle;  plenty  of  other  hypotheses  can   be
constructed.
    Why  not suggest the existence of another secret plane,  with
all the capabilities necessary to explain the apparent paradoxes?
Perhaps  the  U.S. Air Force was testing this secret  plane  over
Belgium  without  notifying  the Belgian Air  Force  -a  friendly
nation  which uses American F- 16s. Does this seem  practical  or
likely? Consider that testing new planes inevitably involves  the
risk  of  an  accident  or  crash,  in  which  case  the  Belgian
authorities  would have to be notiFied to help protect  essential
secrets.
    Why not suggest that the Belgian police were so  unaccustomed
to seeing stars that they got all confused at the sight of  some?
Or,  above all, that there is no supporting evidence to  back  up
any of the Belgian sightings, even though there were more than  a
thousand reports and they went on for more than six months?
    Following this line of reasoning, everything is for the  best
in  the  "best  of  all  possible  worlds"  in  which  profounder
questions must not be asked.
   On  the contrary, it seems to me that it's always a good  idea
to  be guided by the Facts, especially when they are  unexpected.
What  thousands of witnesses have seen for many years  throughout
the world deserves serious study. I am not advocating a  specific
hypothesis, only asking people to open their eyes.

The witnesses' reactions

     Witnesses'  reactions are diverse, as might be expected.  In
most  cases people simply relate what has happened in  a  factual
manner, being explicit about what they have been able to  observe
and  confessing their perplexity. What now seems to me to be  new
and  significant is that many witnesses are annoyed at not  being
taken seriously.

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Date: 9 Aug 91 06:36:00 GMT

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    As regards the socio-psychological hypothesis, which explains
UFO sightings by the desire to make contact with extraterrestrial
beings,  I  do  not  believe that  this  is  compatible  with  my
experiences  interviewing a fairly sizable number  of  witnesses.
Naturally there are pathological and even psychiatric cases,  but
let  us  again refrain from unwarranted  extrapolations.  I  have
noted,  like  other investigators, that at the  outset  of  their
strange  sightings,  witnesses practically always try to  find  a
conventional  explanation; as they take in more details,  though,
the  conventional explanation no longer suffices.  This  reaction
violates a basic assumption of some "socio-psychologists."
    It is true that witnesses are quicker to think of a UFO after
the  media have told them other people have seen them,  and  they
report  sightings more readily once they know that  organizations
are   studying   UFO   reports  seriously.   Some   people   have
intentionally  scanned the skies, but they have  not  necessarily
seen anything.
    It  is  absolutely normal for someone to filter  and  analyze
sensory data on the basis of pre-existing conceptual models. What
happens  when  there is a discrepancy?  Some  witnesses  describe
extraordinary events, repeating that they do not believe in UFOs.
Perhaps  they're trying to reassure themselves,  perhaps  they're
afraid  of  seeming  insane  to  the  interviewers.  On   several
occasions  I  have met witnesses who, although accepting  the  ET
hypothesis,  are visibly upset about these "intruders."  Humanity
could be defenseless and dependent on the goodwill of an unknown,
technologically  very superior, external power. I have  met  only
one  witness  who told me in a confiding manner: "I  should  very
much like to meet them." He said this spontaneously when I  asked
him what he thought of his sighting.
    Reality  is  far less clear-cut than the  supporters  of  the
socio-psychological    hypothesis   imagine.    The    collective
unconscious  does  not, for the most part,  desire  contact  with
extraterrestrials. We cannot assume we are dealing with religious
beliefs,  either.  On  the contrary, it is clear  that  a  fairly
sizable  number of witnesses have no wish at all  to  communicate
what  they  have  observed. We know this  because  of  the  cases
discovered entirely by chance and long after the fact. The  1989-
90   Belgian  wave  encouraged  a  number  of  people   to   tell
investigators  about much earlier sightings. One man wrote to  me
describing  a sighting made during the mobilization before  World
War  II, when he was all alone on a road. He was so  excited  and
frightened by the experience that he told no one except his wife.
A  member  of  an embassy told me of a sighting  made  aboard  an
aircraft  with many other people. Afterwards, he asked me not  to
say  anything  about it to the other embassy  personnel,  saying,
"They'll think me crazy."
    The  fact  that  the UFOs reported here are  generally  of  a
different type from the traditional "saucer" is also significant.
If the witnesses had invented their accounts, they would probably
have tried to make them seem more believable by corresponding  to
the standard model. This is not what happened. One new feature is
that  the Belgian UFOs travel over cities at very low  altitudes.
Moreover,  there were no marked electromagnetic disturbances,  as
has often been reported in the past. These differences are  worth
considering  with a view to understanding the  technology  rather
than  simply assuming that the witnesses can't relate  accurately
what they've seen.

An enormous lozenge at Eupen

     Mr. J observed the same type of object twice. I heard of his
sightings  indirectly,  and  when I  telephoned  him,  he  firmly
insisted  on anonymity: "I don't want anyone to tell my  children
that  their  father  was out of his mind." He told  me  that  the
machine  he had seen was "incredibly large." This assessment  was
based  on  his first sighting, which was on December 1,  1989.  I
visited  him on January 15, five days after his second  sighting.
He  is  an amateur photographer and described the  UFO  with  the
precision of a careful observer.
   On the evening of December 1, he was going to take his wife to
a private exhibition organized by his club. At around 5 p.m.  two
of his five children, aged 14 and 15, had already told him  about
"strange  planes in the sky." After school they had been  playing
on  the  street  with  a Moroccan boy who lived  in  one  of  the
neighboring  houses. It was already growing dark and one  of  the
children said, "They're UFOs," using the German word for UFO. Mr.
J had replied, "Of course not, they must be planes."
    At  6:50  Mr.  J was ready to leave. He was  sitting  in  the
living room in his usual chair near a window that looks out on  a
terrace  at  the rear. At that moment one of  his  children  came
rushing  up  all  excited, saying, "Look,  they're  here  again!"
Struck  by his child's insistence, Mr. J rose and went  out  onto
the  terrace.  This forms, together with the garden, a  large  L-
shaped open space behind a cluster of houses. Mr. J saw the young
Moroccan,  who was at the back garden of his house, in the  other
branch  of L, pointing at the sky and stating, "See,  one's  just
coming."  Mr. J told me, "I don't understand how this  boy  could
say that so calmly, as if it was a commonplace remark, because  I
almost  fell over backwards when I looked up. I tell you that  if
you have not seen one, you cannot believe it. It was enormous."
    Mr. J then spontaneously set about drawing the object,  which
was lozenge-shaped, with two white lights at each corner and,  in
the  center,  a  kind of illuminated  bell  projecting  from  the
platform  (figure  1).  The surface of the object  was  dark  but
clearly  visible  against the brighter sky. It had been  a  sunny
day,  and the sky was perfectly clear. Stars were visible  around
the object. It glided slowly from southwest to northeast, without
the  slightest  sound.  It could be  followed  at  a  comfortable
walking pace. The large diagonal of the lozenge was perpendicular
to  the  direction of movement and was at least 35  meters  long.
During  my  visit  Mr. J went onto the terrace  to  show  me  his
reference  marks. The nearest end of the large diagonal had  been
directly  above  his house and the other end had passed  above  a
large  building 350 meters away. He was unable to  determine  the
altitude of the object, but he noticed that he could see the  sky
between the object and the building opposite. As a result he felt
that  the  object could have been even larger than  the  distance
between his house and the building.
     A  little  later on, Mr. J reported that  the  white  lights
flashed  off and on regularly. I asked him whether they did  this
at  the same time. He replied, "I don't know. I couldn't see  the
four  corners  simultaneously.  I had to crane  my  neck."  These
lights  were  circular and large. "The most  extraordinary  thing
about them was their power," he said. They illuminated the ground
with a white light. In the center of the lozenge was an "inverted
bell"  which  was wholly illuminated by an orange light.  At  the
bell's apex was a green light, darker than green traffic  lights.
The  skirt  of the bell was surrounded by a row  of  red  lights,
changing brightness sequentially. This gave a false impression of
revolving  lights. "These lights never completely went  out,  but
they grew distinctly brighter at certain moments."
    The  lights did not illuminate the underside of  the  object,
which  remained dark. The red lights "chased each other"  with  a
slow,  comfortable movement. "It wasn't an alarming  flash,  like
that  from  an ambulance or police car. It was even  pleasant  to
watch."  Mr.  J  also  remembered that  "the  luminous  bell  was
strange,  because you couldn't tell whether the light  came  from
its  interior or the surface." Since the witness was  an  amateur
photographer, he considered going to find his camera but realized
it was too big to capture adequately. Knowing that he had 100 ASA
film  loaded,  he gauged that the mass of the object,  which  was
almost  black,  would  not be made out on film  since  the  white
lights were too dazzling.
    He  did  what  he  could. "I tried to  remember  as  much  as
possible. I also called my wife and daughter so that someone from
my family could see it." Mrs. J did not see the object. She heard
her  husband but was in the bath. His daughter arrived after  the
object was already some way off, having passed over the roofs  of
the  houses. Mr. J went with her to the front, where they  stayed
long  enough  to  see the object leave, still at  a  fairly  slow
speed, passing over the Eupen cemetery.
     Mr.  J bitterly regrets not having taken photos. Since  then
he  has  been to Aix-la-Chapelle to buy infrared film,  which  he
keeps in the refrigerator. The young Moroccan came over while Mr.
J  was drawing his picture for me. He said, unasked,  "Yes,  it's
like  that." The vertical edge (on figure 1) was not  visible  on
December 1. Mr. J drew it based on his second sighting.
    This  second  sighting took place on Wednesday,  January  10,
1990, at about 1:35 p.m. It was dark. The witness, on his way  to
a  photo  club,  had  taken the E5  highway  after  reaching  the
Herbesthal road and was proceeding inland. He had gone only a few
kilometers  when  he saw a stationary object in the sky.  It  was
exactly  "the same model." Mr. J stopped his car on the  side  of
the  road.  Other drivers seemed not to notice  anything.  Mr.  J
leaned  on  the hood of his car, watching the  object  with  arms
crossed.  Everything was identical to the first sighting, but  on
this occasion the lozenge was oriented sideways, and he could see
it  had  a  constant and considerable height. It  was  about  500
meters  away.  Its lights seemed less bright this  time,  perhaps
because of the highway illumination.
    Mr.  J  was exasperated that he hadn't  brought  his  camera.
There  would probably be no point in returning home. After  10-15
minutes  the  object started to move off toward Fagnes.  It  left
slowly  and  silently. Just as it was  departing  the  luminosity
increased.  "It was as though the voltage of the lights had  been
intensified as it moved gently away."
    It may seem strange that Mr. J saw the same object twice.  It
should,  however, not be forgotten that the events of December  1
had  been  deeply  etched in his memory; as  a  consequence,  his
mental  "filters" would have been adjusted in such a way that  he
would more easily notice a similar object in the sky at night.  I
have no reason to doubt this eyewitness report. His sincerity and
spontaneity were evident. The witness had spoken with only a  few
people  and had learned to be cautious. "I have seen many  things
in my life," he said, "but when I talk about this, people look at
me oddly."

A UFO flies over Aix-la-Chapelle

     On  December  5  or 12, 1989, Mr. and Mrs.  O  were  driving
northward  on the Triererstrasse in the town of  Aix-la-Chapelle.
It was about 9:50 p.m. when they suddenly saw a flying object cut
across the road right in front of them. It moved steadily to  the
right.  It  had  two headlights in  front,  emitting  beams  that
slanted downwards. The light was white and intense without  being
blinding.  In  addition,  there  was  an  orange  light  on   the
underside, Dashing at the same rate as an ambulance's lights. Mr.
O  was  driving and had to pay attention to traffic, but  Mrs.  O
continued  to  observe what they still thought  was  an  aircraft
flying  exceptionally low. She kept it constantly in sight.  When
it had crossed the road, it extinguished its headlights, but  the
flashing orange light remained illuminated. This made it possible
to  see  that the object was describing a half-turn  on  a  tight
curve, heading back in the opposite direction.
    Mrs. O first saw it through the front right-hand window. Then
she turned around to look at it through the back rear window. The
object  approached again, passed over the car, and reappeared  in
the   front  left-hand  window.  It  had  cut  across  the   road
diagonally.  At a certain distance from the car,  its  headlights
came  on  again. Since the headlights were at the  front  of  the
object, they could no longer be seen directly, but the beams that
they emitted were visible. Unlike an aircraft, there were no rear
lights  or flashing red and green side-lights. All that could  be
seen  was  the flashing orange light, which  became  fainter  and
fainter as the craft went away.

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Subject: Belgium Update, Part 4
Date: 9 Aug 91 06:37:00 GMT

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    Mr. and Mrs. O returned to their home, near  Aix-la-Chapelle.
That  same evening, at 11:15 p.m., Mr. O stepped outside  to  let
the  dog out and noticed exactly the same object. It  was  flying
above  their  street,  in  the  direction  of  Stollberg.  Mr.  O
immediately called his wife. The headlight beams were less angled
than they had been before, but the machine was flying lower.  Its
motion  was  linear  and uniform, with a speed about  that  of  a
helicopter,  but  to the great astonishment of the  witnesses  it
made  no sound. Mrs. O was insistent about the absence of  noise,
for  conditions were such that she and her husband ought to  have
heard it had the craft been equipped with a motor.
    I  asked  them later about the apparent size of  the  object,
suggesting that a thumb held at arm's length might cover it.  The
immediate  response  was,  "No, it would have  required  a  whole
hand."  The sighting occurred fairly late, so the sky  was  dark.
The object stood out clearly against it, because it was  somewhat
brighter.  The witnesses saw an elongated shape, less  high  than
long,  with curved edges. The outlines were different from  those
of an aircraft or helicopter. The hypothesis of night gliders  or
ultralights is not very credible, particularly in the case of the
first sighting. The next day a police car passed down the street,
its   loud-speaker  requesting  those  who  had  seen   "anything
abnormal"  to  report it to them. Mr. and Mrs. O did not  do  so.
Were there other witnesses? They do not know, because they  don't
read  the  local paper. Mr. O, who is Japanese, subscribes  to  a
Cologne daily paper and the Financial Times.
    I  was alerted to this case by Mrs. O's sister, who lives  in
Eupen. The German police habitually ridicule UFO witnesses, so it
is not surprising that Mr. and Mrs. O didn't want to report their
sighting.  I  also conducted an inquiry into  a  close  encounter
involving  two German families living in Lontzen, in  Belgium  on
November 29. The children involved were frightened, so one of the
mothers  called  various places,  including  the  Aix-la-Chapelle
police.  She  told  me that they laughed at her  and  that  their
derisive response had shocked her.

A triangular UFO at Coblenz

     The  following  case was described in the  July-August  1990
issue of the Journal fur UFO-Forschung (Journal for UFO Research)
of  the  GEP  group (Society for the  Investigation  of  the  UFO
phenomenon), based in Ludencheid, Germany. The investigation  was
carried  out  by W. Kelch. This case is  interesting  in  itself,
since it involves the sighting of a triangle in another  country,
but it also has interesting psychological aspects. The  principal
witness, a 33-year-old woman, works at a military base and  seems
to have a solid character.
   The  sighting took place on the evening of February 21,  1990,
at 9:07 p.m., in Karthause, near Coblenz. The lady was  returning
home  by  car, accompanied by her mother (aged 69)  and  her  son
(aged  14),  who  had been to a judo lesson.  They  were  driving
through an attractive residential district on a fairly wide road.
To  the  right  was a continuous line of trees  15-18  meters  in
height, bordering a cemetery. The left-hand side of the road  was
fringed  with houses 20-25 meters high on a small  hill.  Through
traffic is virtually nil and, at this late stage of the  evening,
there was no residential traffic. In fact, no car went by  during
the  episode. The weather was cool and it was dark. The  sky  was
clear.
     The mother was the first to see two lights beaming  straight
down at them at a 45-degree angle (figure 2a). The object bearing
these lights slowed down, but the driver, fearing it might crash,
pulled to the right side of the road. There she stopped, with the
car  at  an  angle. The object stopped  above  the  road,  almost
directly  overhead. The driver switched off the  engine,  lowered
the  window  and looked out. She saw a large  triangular  object,
absolutely  stationary  and noiseless, at  rooftop  height.  From
other  reference  points it was possible to  determine  that  the
sides  of the triangle measured about 20 meters (figure 2b).  The
witnesses watched the object closely, but no one dared get out of
the car.
    Three  milky, yellowish-white lights were at the  corners  of
the triangle. They were bright but not blinding. In the center of
the triangle was a much larger light. Its color was changing  but
the  prevailing hue was grey-blue. These changes seemed to  imply
something revolving, reminding the witnesses of the mirror-globes
in discos. The witnesses said that "this light shone in a strange
way."  They saw only the lower side of the  triangular  platform.
The  object  had  a metallic appearance.  It  was  dark-gray  and
colorless,  with solid and sharp outlines The base  was  slightly
illuminated  by the lights on the object, allowing the  witnesses
to  observe  structures which they described  as  riveted  plates
(figure 2b).
    The  object  stayed overhead for two or  three  minutes  then
departed  suddenly in the direction of the houses. The driver  of
the car felt a breeze through her rolled-down window. The  object
accelerated  and  disappeared from view in less  than  a  second,
behind the roofs of the houses. It had arrived from the west, but
departed  towards the southwest. Its departure was speedier  than
that of a jet aircraft.
    The  witnesses  then  went home, and  the  woman  immediately
informed  her  husband, who was on nightshift. At  first  he  was
unwilling  to believe her story but finally, at  her  insistence,
called the local police. Although the police had not received any
other calls, they agreed to send a police squad to the area.  Her
husband also called the air-traffic sections at the Frankfurt and
Cologne-Wahn  airports. They responded that radar  detection  was
not  possible  at so low an altitude. The  three  witnesses  were
unable to sleep that night. The mother, feeling afraid, stayed in
her daughter's apartment.
    Later  on the wife tried to clear up the mystery on  her  own
initiative.  She found the address and telephone numbers  of  the
GEP,  who  sent  her  a questionnaire  which  she  completed  and
returned by mail. She succeeded in locating two other  witnesses.
Between  8:30 and 8:50 that same evening, a lady  saw  "something
bright   heading  quite  rapidly  towards  my  car,"   near   the
intersection of the A61 and A48 highways. Frightened, she braked.
Through  the  sunroof she saw a bus-shaped metallic  object  with
fairly  bright,  bluish lights. The object went  by  noiselessly,
disappearing  finally in the dark. A UFO was also seen by  a  30-
year-old  man,  just before 9:07 p.m., near the same  spot.  When
questioned,  however,  he distanced himself  from  the  incident,
saying, "Nobody's going to believe me anyway."
    When the GEP investigator contacted the police, they asserted
that  they could not recall having received any  telephone  calls
about UFOs and that they knew nothing of the matter. The lady and
her husband were annoyed by this denial. The investigator had the
impression that the wife was a down-to-earth sort of  individual.
He found no discrepancy between her account and the questionnaire
she  had completed. So far as the witness was concerned, she  had
seen an unidentified flying object.
    The  GEP tried to find a conventional explanation. A  balloon
was  ruled out because there had been a light east wind  and  the
object was first seen moving west to east. And how could it  have
turned around and left so fast? The police use BO-105 helicopters
to  patrol the highways for trucks, but this too was  ruled  out.
Could  it have been a military plane? There is in actual  fact  a
military  exercise  ground (Schmitenhohe)  two  kilometers  away,
where   German   and   NATO   forces   run   nocturnal   infrared
reconnaissance flights and other exercises. But that night  there
had been no exercises.
    In  Germany a CH-47 Chinook helicopter is often suggested  as
an  explanation for UFO reports. Such aircraft are  used  between
Mendig  and Mainz, but the flights take place almost  exclusively
during the day at a height of 800-1000 meters. Taken as a  whole,
the  evidence  in this case renders  that  explanation  unlikely.
Nevertheless,  the investigator thought it necessary to  consider
the  possibility that the three witnesses were in shock  and  had
perhaps  not heard the noise, having been paralyzed by fear.  The
investigator  thus concluded noncommittally that  "the  available
data  do not allow us to make an unambiguous identification as  a
known  flying  object."  You can make what you  like  about  this
statement.  Who  is  frightened?  The  witnesses  by  a  somewhat
hypothetical  helicopter,  or  the  investigator  by  social  and
psychological pressures?

A recent sighting in Switzerland

     This  event occurred on Sunday, October 14, 1990. The  Swiss
sighting was relayed to me by the witness, Mrs. Wengere, who  has
authorized   me  to  cite  her  name.  She  telephoned  me   from
Switzerland  and confirmed her account in writing. An  editor  by
profession,  she was clearly looking for people who would  listen
seriously  to  such  reports. She wrote to  a  Zurich  paper  and
personally collected various recent eyewitness reports a copy  of
which she sent me.
    On  the  evening of October 14 she and her  husband  were  on
their  way to a hospital to visit a friend. It was about 7  p.m.,
already  dark, with stars easily visible. The sky was  clear  and
there  was no wind. They were driving from Lostdorf, near  Olten,
toward  Zurich.  Mrs. Wengere spotted two  bright  white  lights.
They were motionless, a little to the left ahead of them, over  a
range of mountains. The couple could not see light beams but only
two large, luminous, perfectly round disks, surrounded by a light
atmospheric halo. The left-hand light was higher than the right.
    Mrs.  Wengere  at  first  thought  the  lights  must  be   on
transmission towers on the mountaintops, although they would have
to  have  been  erected recently since she had  never  seen  them
before.  There  was  still enough light in the  sky  for  her  to
observe  that there was nothing between the lights and the  range
of  mountains.  She  thus  deduced that  the  lights  had  to  be
supported  by  one  or two flying objects  whose  shape  was  not
discernible. She told her husband, "There's a UFO over there! "
    She  asked  him  to stop. He saw the  lights  and  could  not
explain  them  either, but he didn't stop because  there  was  no
parking space along the road and it would have been dangerous  to
stop  in the dark. The bright lights must have been of  excessive
dimensions  since  the  stars  appeared  minuscule  and  pale  in
comparison,  as did the lights of an approaching aircraft.  There
was  one approaching the UFO (figure 3a) at that very moment.  If
the  lights were at the same distance as the plane, each of  them
ought  to  have been almost as large as the  plane  itself.  Mrs.
Wengere  expected the object to react to the plane, but  at  that
moment she and her husband were passing a village and lost  sight
of the object. They even had to wait for a red traffic light.
    When  they  once  more  had a  clear  view,  the  lights  had
disappeared.  Mrs. Wengere was annoyed that her husband  had  not
stopped  when  she had asked him to. He exclaimed,  "Look,  there
they are again! " The lights were hanging a little higher in  the
sky,  above  the  mountains to the right of  the  road.  The  new
position  and the previous location formed an angle of about  100
degrees.  Since  the witnesses had not observed the  shift,  this
could have been another object entirely. In fact, they now  noted
a  third light, identical to the first two, a little to the  left
of the others. It was separated from them by a distance almost 10
times  as  large as the distance between the  other  two  lights,
which were still stationary.

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 450

                           Saturday, August 10th 1991

Today's Topics:

                           Belgium Update, Conclusion
                                 Re: The Coverup
                                 Re: GULF BREEZE
                                   Re: (none)
                                  some people..
                         Betcha you can't touch this :-)
                            Re: Trilateral Commision.
                             Winchester Crop Circles
                          ROSWELL on UNSOLVED MYSTERIES
                      Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
                                 Re: "N" Machine
                                 Re: GULF BREEZE

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From: [e-mail] (sm)
Subject: Belgium Update, Conclusion
Date: 9 Aug 91 06:40:00 GMT

<<<<Continued from previous message>>>>

    The third light was at first motionless, but after some  time
it shifted slowly towards the others with a linear uniform speed.
It  stopped after having covered two-thirds of the distance  that
separated it from them (figure 3b). The other two lights began to
move  together, as if they were joined, their diagonal  alignment
becoming  horizontal. The pair became smaller and  less  intense,
but at the same time two chains of red and green lights  appeared
joining  the  two.  The distance between them  grew  greater  and
eventually  the two lights disappeared, leaving only the red  and
green crown of light visible.
    The  third  light  also changed during this  time  it  became
fainter  and acquired its own oval crown of small red  and  green
lights.  The  vertical  axis  of the  ellipse  thus  formed  grew
gradually longer, but the second crown was smaller than the first
(figure  3c). The two witnesses thought that the chains of  light
were fixed to the sides of objects that were changing their tilt,
but  neither of them could actually see the objects. Followed  by
other  vehicles,  they  continued to drive on.  Mr.  Wengere  had
slowed down only slightly. The lights were lost once again behind
some houses, this time for good.
    The  Wengeres were already aware of the UFO phenomenon  as  a
result  of a previous sighting. On July 20, 1989, at  about  6:50
p.m., they had both been out in their garden. The sun was shining
and  the  sky was cloudless. Mrs. Wengere noticed  an  elongated,
silvery  object.  It moved like an aircraft, but  she  could  see
neither wings nor tail. It was simply cigar-shaped and completely
silent.  She  pointed  it out to her  husband,  who  was  equally
surprised.  Mrs. Wengere thought it so strange that  ten  minutes
later  she  telephoned the air-traffic control  at  Zurich-Kloten
airport. She learned that there had been no "official flight"  at
that  time  over  her home and that  nothing  abnormal  had  been
recorded on the radar screens.
    Mrs.  Wengere was unable to stop thinking about what she  had
seen  on  October 14. She remembered having read  about  a  large
number of sightings of UFOs in Belgium. On October 20 she decided
to  telephone the air traffic center at Zurich-Kloten.  They  had
seen  nothing  unusual  on their radars  during  the  evening  of
October  14, and no one else had reported a  similar  phenomenon.
The  man who answered the telephone said, "It must be an  optical
illusion due to some sort of reflection." He said this haughtily,
adding  that he received many telephone calls of this  kind,  but
that  they were almost always optical illusions.  This  indicates
that  there were other UFO reports, although the  explanation  he
offered was purely gratuitous.
    I  note that in the United States a photograph was  taken  on
May 26, 1988, near Southbury of a beautiful crown of  alternating
red, yellow and green lights against a black background. This  is
documented  by  a  magnificent slide that I  have  received  from
Philip  Imbrogno, co-author of the book Night Siege.  This  shows
that  one  must not treat each case in isolation as  if  it  were
unique,  but  search for correlations as has to be done  for  any
physical  phenomenon.  For  this reason we  must  not  focus  our
attention  solely  on the events of March 30-31,  1990,  whatever
their possible importance may eventually be.
    As  for  the "flying angels effect," which has  led  to  some
notable problems in atmospheric physics and useful knowledge  for
radar  operators,  this  discovery was  simply  a  by-product  of
rational study of the UFO problem. As such it underlines that  it
is worthwhile to look carefully at mysterious phenomena. I expect
that  the  thoroughness  and seriousness of our  study  of  radar
"noise" will help our credibility as we examine other aspects  of
the UFO phenomenon.

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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Re: The Coverup
Date: 6 Aug 91 16:46:55 GMT


 > Hi Kurt,
 >
 > To add to some people's idea that the Greys look like
 > insects, I'm reminded of an article in the most recent
 > UDO Magazine in which a man describes an encounter
 > with beings that looked like insects to him.
 >  ----------
 > I 'll be happy to sent you a copy of this article if
 > you want it.
 >
Hmm, I'm wondering how you'll send it to me, I presume
US Snail-mail so here's the address....

  500 S. State #40
  Edmond, OK 73034

I got ahold of a copy of Strieber's Majestic and find
most of it to be interesting.  I still get the impression
that the Roswell debris was hijacked in mid-air and that
the government officialdom is still quite embarrassed.

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Re: GULF BREEZE
Date: 7 Aug 91 02:46:00 GMT

Lets see, I think it was last friday night. Ed, Don and a few others
were on the pier watching a UFO flying over the Bay. Enough said!!!!
        ---Jim---
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From: [e-mail] (John Feilke)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 7 Aug 91 22:54:00 GMT

In a message to All <08-06-91 17:49> ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush
nc=>Subject:  How to reach people on fidonet
nc=>To the following people:
nc=>[e-mail] (Deane Ward)
nc=>[e-mail] (John Feilke)
nc=>[e-mail]
nc=>I have tried to send each of you separate private email
nc=>over the last month or so and have received no response.
nc=>Have you received anything from me?  Is there some other
nc=>address you can give me?


Greg,
    We have received no messages from you. Try our FIDO # 1:379/103
Although you should have gotten to us thru our Paranet #

John Feilke

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: some people..
Date: 8 Aug 91 10:22:02 GMT


Mike,

Just wanted to say Thanks to both you and Jim Shaffer for the support
on the Internet..:-)

Also, I'm eagerly awaiting Alton Harkcom's *answer* to your latest
reply to him...(snicker)

Some people....if clues were shoes...there would be alot of barefoot
people around!

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Date: 8 Aug 91 10:31:03 GMT


I pulled this off the Usenet newsgroup, alt.alien.visitors tonight..

Make of it what you will.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Article 1170 of alt.alien.visitors:
+From: [e-mail] (Daniel Fischer)
+Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
+Subject: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 6 Aug 91 11:15:42 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Daniel Fischer)
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Radioastronomie, Bonn
Lines: 80

+From: [e-mail] (Huw Jonathan Rogers)
+Newsgroups: sci.astro
+Subject: Aliens from outer space...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 5 Aug 91 04:14:01 GMT
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: Murder Inc.


        I recently heard a Radio One program in the UK that contained
an interview with a leading proponent of the popular "US Government has
aliens locked up and is experimenting with their spaceplanes" conspiracy
theory. However this particular individual sounded very reasonable, did
not make any outrageous claims, and further had some interesting facts
to disclose. In particular he mentioned several verifiable facts which
I would like some followup on:

        Rockwell International and NASA were planning a *massive*
joint exhibition of space exploration this year (1991) but it was delayed
inexplicably until 1992. In the *official* prospectus for this exhibition,
one of the exhibits was clearly stated to be "an extraterrestrial space
craft". When asked about this by various individuals, all enquiries
were referred by NASA to the US DoD. An unnamed Pentagon spokesman speaking
off the record is meant to have indicated that they "had a number of such
vehicles to choose from..."
        The Pentagon also held a press conference to deal with press
inquiries on this matter - and refused to answer any questions. In fact
reporters later said that the Pentagon had asked most of the questions,
and they all pertained to "what would be the public reaction if...".

        The guy on the radio program referred extensively to two NASA
consultant engineers who claimed to have worked on alien spacecraft
studying propulsion systems for NASA - both had high level security
clearance in the States, were verifiably employed by NASA as senior
consultant engineers, and both were phoned in the States by the station
in a followup program (which I missed) the next day. The followup program
incidentally was only scheduled at the last minute due to record phone
calls from the public swamping Radio 1's 64 line switchboard...

        He also claimed that a NSA official had told him off the record
that the NSA was in "electronic communication" with at least eight
extraterrestrial sources of intelligent communication...

        He claimed that he possessed a recording of a telephone conversation
with an ex deputy director of the CIA (Casey's deputy as I recall), who
said that they (the CIA) had possession of quite a few alien artefacts,
including bodies, spacecraft and other miscellaneous bits and pieces.
He also verified on tape claims that several alien landings at US AFBs had
occured in the past, and in some cases were common knowledge amongst certain
groups of AFB personnel: "Hear what came in this morning, Joe?"...

        Various farmers in a certain area of the US (I forget the state
that was mentioned) regularly discovered bloodless (drained) cattle in
various stages of dismemberment in the early morning. These animals had
had certain glands, body parts, or body fluids surgically removed with a
precision beyond the capabilities of all but the most advanced surgical
laboratories. This problem was so bad that in one place a farmer was in
danger of going bust due to loss of cattle. One explanation advanced was
that
aliens were using these cattle as a convenient source of various rare
chemicals/tissues.

        The technology in the latest black projects that have progressed
to flight hardware - Aurora, Strike, etc. - seems to be well beyond the
capabilities of current commercial (defense/aerospace) technology. In
particular ablative control surfaces and reliable flight control at speeds
in excess of Mach 4 are characteristics of such craft, sightings of which
are widespread in Nevada along with reliable evidence (supersonic boom
disruption?) of such speeds.

        Any comments/hard info. on any of these assertions would be
much appreciated - please post as I am sure others are interested too.

        -Huw

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Comments, anyone?

Don



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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Trilateral Commision.
Date: 8 Aug 91 11:08:00 GMT

Hi!  I'm just getting caught up on my mail & found this:

JB> > I have seen mention of the Trilateral Commision on this digest
JB> > for some time, along with the Bildeborg (sp?).  My question is
JB> > this, What are these two groups.  What is there cover purpose,
JB> > and what is their real purpose ?
JB> >
JB> > Andy
JB> > [e-mail]
JB>
JB>
JB>Clark Matthews is the guy who can answer this question
JB>properly. (evil snicker!)   BTW, I think it's Bildenburg.

I dunno, John.  Maybe you really *are* paranoid...  :-)   It couldn't be the
Bilderbergs.  They're such *nice* people!

I have no idea what this stuff means, but I can ask Otis.

Cheers,
  Clark

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Winchester Crop Circles
Date: 9 Aug 91 09:33:16 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

Forwarded from alt.alien.visitors:

+******************************************************************
+Subject: A Strange Object/New Circles at the Punchbowl
+******************************************************************
+
+ While driving home from Twyford, Hants on Wednesday evening
+ along the M3 with my wife we noticed this strange dark object
+ 'flying ?' above us . It was very much a oval/rectangle shape and
+ seemed to be flying about 45 degrees forward of vertical . This
+ object had a very bright light at the top and bottom of the view
+ we could see and these were not flashes but pulsing . This object
+ gradually gained speed and as it did so the pulsing lights got
+ faster and faster . Eventually it sped up and was a good five miles
+ in front of us but still parallel to the M3 and the pulsing light was
+ still extremely bright . The light seemed to be pulsing and the two
+ lights seemed to pulse and create a third in the middle of them.
+
+   We were also aware of another object pacing it but about half a mile
+ behind it. This could have been a helicopter as it had a flashing light
+ but it also had a bright white light coming from underneath it like a
+ spotlight . Eventually the bright pulsing red light really sped up and
+ disappeared below the horizon. It was about 9:50 and getting quite dark
+ but we could make out that the object, what ever it was, was very large.
+
+     We live within about 10 miles from RAF Odiham , a Chinook helicopter
+ base and at first thought it was a Chinook, but dismissed this as even
+ one of these that low would be heard over the road noise. It was
+ probably twice the size of a Chinook and had totally different lights
+ underneath it and these were far too bright and were pulsing.
+ All very strange ....
+
+  The weird part of the story is that after this light had disappeared
+ my wife joked that it was probably on its way home from creating a
+ crop circle in the Punch Bowl .
+
+ Well, curiosity took over and last evening we went down to Cheesefoot
+ Head to see if anything had appeared and to our amazement there is
+ a formation in the Punch Bowl. This formation a basically a 2 or 3
+ ringed circle with a tail and is near the edge on the left . We saw
+ it about 10 pm last evening and as it was nearly dark details of
+ the formation were quite sketchy . It could be a hoax as it is near
+ the edge for easy access and its tail or spur looked rough . I will
+ probably go back down there over the weekend and check this out .
+ If it is for real I wonder if it is tied up with the pulsing light ?
+********************************************************************
+ I re-visited the Punch Bowl on Friday night and the formation
+ looks a genuine one. It is basically a 'insectogram' head and
+ antennae . The head is two rings with very large curving paths
+ coming from it with smaller circles at the end .
+
+   Also Thursday night a new formation appeared by the very first
+ formation at Chilcomb . This is difficult to see from the road but
+ looks similar to the original one but larger . Friday night it had
+ been swamped with people and is now probably very trampled.
+
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+|       DISCLAIMER:         |
+| The views expressed in this document are not a corporate view     |
+| nor reflect the views of my employer by any means but are my      |
+| own personal views on this subject .         |
+|             |
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From: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble
Subject: ROSWELL on UNSOLVED MYSTERIES
Date: 9 Aug 91 15:17:58 GMT

From: Steve Gamble x3293 <[e-mail]>

The Unsolved Mysteries programme including the Roswell incident has
finally made it to the UK (?and rest of Europe). This programme was
originally shown, I believe, about last October in the USA.

It will be transmitted on the Sky One satellite channel on Saturday
10th August at around 20:00 hrs UK time. Video recorders at the ready....

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
Date: 10 Aug 91 11:40:00 GMT

st>From: Will Martin <[e-mail]>

Hi Will.  I'm playing catchup on a *lot* of interesting mail and your post
on time travel was very interesting and thoughtful.

st>But the behavior CAN be explained if one thinks of the UFOs as
st>time-travel phenomena. Why come here? Because we are the place the
st>travellers are; we are just their past. Why appear where they do?
st>Because the sites UFOs appear here and now are the counterparts of where
st>the labs or take-off sites are in the future(s) they come from.

But what if they come from the past?  Toward the end of the Cretaceous,
there was a very interesting little brachiopod that had a brain bigger than
a dog's.  It walked upright and evolved an opposed thumb.

Now consider:  the entire span of human evolution spans about 2-1/2 million
years.  The Cretaceous period lasted tens of millions of years.  In fact,
the extinction of the dinosaurs may have taken longer than the entire period
of human evolution.

What if the smart little brachiopod grew up into a sentient critter like the
model that was on display at the Smithsonian?  What if the *dinosaurs*
mastered time travel?

st>behaviors inconsistent between various UFOs? Because time travel, by its
st>very nature, means that the travellers appearing here can have come from
st>many different periods of the future. Some phenomena we see could be the
st>results of early experiments in time travel, or botched attempts, even.

Yes!  Or -- maybe they occur *naturally*?  Perhaps as a regular consequence
of flows or aberrations within the earth's mantle?

st>Maybe crop circles are caused by vortices made by unsuccessful
st>time-travel attempts, or the initial tries to set up force fields linking
st>future and past, and they appear where they do because that is the place
st>where the lab will be located 400 years from now.

st>Maybe the UFOs we see around Gulf Breeze and various rural areas are
st>there because they are early attempts at time travel from labs or sites
st>at the equivalent places in the future, and these early attempts don't
st>have much spatial-travel capability, or they want to hang around the
st>home base for easy retrieval. Other, far-ranging UFOs could be later,

Maybe.  But if they're time machines, then the motive for the actions *must*
be in the future.  Specific actions -- like the disappearance of Frederic
Valentich or fetus "implants" or highly specific flaps (like Westchester
around IBM's headquarters or Belgium near the EEC's new capital).

st>[I admit I am ignoring all the many paradoxes and traditional arguments
st>against the possibility of time travel, and am also ignoring the fact
st>that physical location varies over time; the planet and solar system and
st>galaxy are all moving through space and spinning, so the exact *place* you
st>were a few minutes ago is now out in space somewhere. But

All true -- but that might account for the "holographic" nature of many
UFOs.  Often, they seem to be "focused" out of nowhere.  Occasionally, they
will be observed "merging" together.  It's almost like they're being located
in a particular time and place before they become material:  much like the
3-laser beams in a CD player or an actual hologram.

Perhaps time travel *is* possible?  Because, if it is, Time's Arrow can
somehow fly both ways -- even sideways.  Furthermore, *if* time travel is
possible, then the universe itself is holographic.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If time travel is possible, then the universe (and in fact, all reality)
contains every element of its past, present, and future -- all at once,
side-by-side.  Like a CD of Beethoven's Ninth.  Depending on how you focus
the 3 lasers of the CD player, you're in the Overture, or the Ode to Joy, or
anywhere in between.

I've got a file on my board called REALITY.ZIP.  It's about this very thing
and the implications of the universe being holographic.

I'll post parts of it here & we'll see what you think...

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: "N" Machine
Date: 10 Aug 91 11:48:00 GMT

DS>no theories behind these machines.  Does anyone know the
DS>operational theory behind the "N" machine or the the Swiss
DS>M-L converter??

In general terms, the idea is to get magnetic fields to collapse on top of
one another and in on themselves.  High frequencies and 90-degree windings
are characteristic of working N-machines (including the Newman motor,
interestingly).

As a result, many people say that free energy machines aren't free.  They're
interference machines.  Are they or aren't they interference machines?

That is the question...

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: GULF BREEZE
Date: 10 Aug 91 08:36:00 GMT

Well, I'm glad that's all you need.  I'm sure it makes things much
easier for you all.
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 451

                            Monday, August 12th 1991

Today's Topics:

                      Re: Needles, Implants, Tissue Samples
                           Shattering Assault [part 1]
                           Shattering Assault [part 2]
                            UFOs and Superconductors
                                   Dale Goudie
                                   Dale Goudie

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Needles, Implants, Tissue Samples
Date: 10 Aug 91 19:04:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
 * Originally from Steve Gamble X3293
 * Originally dated 08-08-91 12:05

+From: [e-mail] (Steve Gamble x3293)
Date: 8 Aug 91 10:48:59 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, U.K.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
+Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Craig Becker)
writes:
> >I'm familiar with abductee claims about having needles stuck into their
> >brain and/or having small BB-like implants; what I'm curious about is
>
> Whitley Strieber has had some sort of scan done and some sort of objects
> appeared on it.  I don't know if any abductees have died yet, but it would
[stuff deleted]

As I understand it a couple of bright spots were found on Whitley's CAT
scan. Speaking to people who know more about CAT scans than I, I believe
that these Anomolous Bright Objects are seen in a proportion (the figure
5%, if I recall correctly) of otherwise normal brains. As usual care
should be exercised in interperating the data. These are just bright spots
which show up on the CAT scan, there is no evidence of them being
implants or anythingelse. I am not aware that Whitley himself has made
any claims about these spots.

We could now enter the field of speculation! If the bright spots DID
turn out to implants this might suggest that up to 1 in 20 people were
abductees (i.e. 5%). At a recent conference I heard the quote that
'many more people than we thought, maybe 1 in 40 of the population have
been abducted'. (I cannot remember who told me this otherwise I would
point the finger :) ) The 'classic' picture is that humans are abducted
by extraterrestrials in flying saucers. If we then try to apply a little
bit of logic to this using the lower 'estimate' of 1 in 40 :-

        If we take the U.S. population as being 250 million
        and abductions occuring for the last 40 years this
        would suggest
                6,250,000 people had been abducted in the U.S.
                which is 156,250 per year or
                428 per day !
                Remember that would be for the U.S. alone on
                the basis of the 1 in 40 people I was quoted
                That is without anythingelse 'they' might get
                up to like cattle mutilations. No doubt NASA
                would be pleased with 10% of the budget these
                guys would have!!!!!

What I am trying to convey is that we should try to think through
carefully the implications of things like '1 in 40 people have been
abducted' and urge further caution in assigning abduction to ET's.

Having urged caution, some further observation/speculation!

Thinking about abductee case reports I have read there might be a
kind of consistency with some form of controlling implant. In
Streibers case the 'visitors' came just as he was falling asleep.
In the Communion film they seem to insert a needle somewhere behind
his ear. It could be argued that an implant inserted here could be
placed in brain stem centres which there is some evidence are involved
in sleep. Likewise in Cathy Davies case (from Budd Hopkins book Intruders)
she seems to be abducted when gets the compulsion to visit the local
late night store to buy Coke or snacks. She describes implants inserted
up her nose. Would such an implant be placed in hypothalamic centres
which control feeding behaviour? In Ed Walters case (Gulf Breeze) he
describes hearing a loud buzzing noise just before the UFO's appear. He
also describes having an implant inserted in his temple. I believe
that around this area of the brain is where hearing is resolved.

In summary, I am uneasy at buying the ET's, abduction and implant
scenario as it is normally sold. But then again if we adopt the
attitude there ain't no ET's and there ain't no implants why to some
of the witnesses describe the effects you might expect if they did
have an implant??!!!!
STEVE.



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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Shattering Assault [part 1]
Date: 10 Aug 91 19:21:00 GMT

I found this on the Internet.  It is not to be construed as an endorsement
from ParaNet.  For information only.

----------------------------------------- UFO's: The "Shattering Assault"
PART 1 by Father Alexey Young 'Orthodox America' issue #88 transcribed and
posted with the permission of the publisher

"Let no man deceive you by any means...."  II Thess.2:3

        It is no coincidence that the ancient pagan mystery religions as
well as numerous mystical fraternities (such as the Theosophists and
Rosicrucians) speak of an "elite" --sometimes called "the Great White
Brotherhood," the "Ascended Masters," or the "Mahatmas" of Madame
Blavatsky -- a group of beings seeking to guide and control the destiny
of mortal man. Sometimes this "elite" is seen as non-human, at other
times as "highly evolved" or perfected humans. [transcriber's note: the
respondents in the FORUM topic "ORACLES" refer to their "higher power"
guides]

        The ancestor of this "elite" is the 'daimon' of the ancient pagan
Greeks - from which, in fact, we get the word "demon," and which prompted
the Holy Fathers to say that "the gods of the pagans are demons". [from
the Psalter] Thus, from the Christian point of view, there can be no
doubt that such an invisible "elite" exists, and is known to the
followers of Christ as the army of fallen angels, the demonic host. This
host enters into our fallen world through sin and heresy, as well as by
occult practices of all kinds  (from apparently "innocent" things such as
ouija boards to the New Age practice of "channeling")[see FORUM topic
"ORACLES" for a local selection]. Now however, fallen angels have found
a new and particularly dazzling way to enter the world of men.

        Whereas a generation ago only "cranks" and the
mentally/emotionally distressed believed in UFOs, today more than half
the population of the US, according to surveys, accepts the reality of
alien visitors. In particular, "many New Agers believe in unidentified
flying objects," according to Time, "crewed by oddly shaped
extraterrestrials who have long visited the earth from more advanced
planets, spreading the wisdom that created, among other things,
Stonehenge and the pyramids of Egypt."

        Although UFO literature is proliferous, the most respected and
listened-to UFO "convert" is Whitley Streiber, who has written two recent
books on his own experiences, 'Communion: A True Story' (1987) and its
sequel, 'Transformation: A Breakthrough' (1988). Both books have been on
the best seller list and the author has appeared in numerous television
interviews, partly because he writes well and has consulted many members
of the scientific community.

        Although Streiber says that he was never before interested in
UFOs and had read practically nothing on the subject, "this is the
story," he writes in the first book, "of one man's attempt to deal with a
shattering assault from the unknown. It is a true story, as true as I
know how to describe it. To all appearances I have had an elaborate
personal encounter with intelligent nonhuman beings. But who could they
be, and where have they come from? Are unidentified flying objects real?
Are they goblins or demons ... or visitors?"

        Beginning in December 1985 Streiber and his family experienced a
whole series of dream-like lights, voices, touchings and "night visitors"
with bug-like heads. "At first," he said, "I thought I was losing my
mind. But I was interviewed by three psychologists and three
psychiatrists and given a battery of psychological tests and a
neurological examination, and found to fall within the normal range in
all respects. I was given a polygraph .. and I passed without qualification
 ...The visitors marched right into the middle of the life of an
indifferent skeptic without a moment's hesitation."

        The fact that Streiber's first book 'Communion' also contains
official medical statements as to his normalcy and sanity, as well as
transcripts of hypnotic sessions (used to focus details of his
experiences) and that he acknowledges by name the help of prominent
scientists in many fields, adds to the veracious tone of his frightening
story.

        Streiber speculates that his "visitors" could be:

        1) "from another planet or planets;
        2) "from earth, but so different from us that we have not hitherto
understood that they were even real;
        3) "from another aspect of space-time -- another dimension;
        4) "from this dimension in space but not in time" -- in
otherwords, time-travel by our own descendants into their own past (our
present);
        5) "from within us;
        6) "a certain hallucinatory wire in the mind, or
        7) "an aspect of the human species" -- perhaps ghosts or, better
yet, "maybe you and I are larvae, and the 'visitors' are human beings in
the mature form."

        What makes Streiber's account so compelling is his apparent
objectivity: he projects himself as an innocent bystander, in no way
responsible for this bizarre encounter. Beyond the pages of these books,
however, one discovers that Streiber is also the author of several horro
stories, which contain similarities to his real-life experience. As one
critic pointed out: " 'Communion' seems like the end of a logical
progression leading from the fiction side of the bestseller list to the
non-fiction side" (Thomas Dirch in 'The Nation', March 14, 1987). What is
even more revealing, Streiber studied for 15 years with the Gurdjieff
Foundation, a cultish group whose teaching stresses "the development of
powers latent in the human psche," and whose spiritual eclecticism is
popular among today's New Agers. Obviously, Streiber's role was not as
passive as he would lead his readers to believe; he had -- unknowingly,
no doubt -- predisposed himself to cooperate with such an experience. And
one can more readily understand why the 'aliens' told him: "You are our
chosen one."

        Although he brings a diverse array of ideas and theories from
world religion and philosophy to bear on his subject -- everything from
Hindu mythology to the warefare of St Anthony the Great with demons --
religion and God in the traditional sense are conspicuously absent from
his thinking and he comes down in favor of the popular modern idea that
SCIENCE is the only "key" -- if still primitive -- to understanding these
experiences. But, as Hieromonk Seraphim (Rose) wrote in his study of UFOs
(in 'Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future'): "Science fiction has
given the images,'evolution' has produced the philosophy, and the
technology of the 'space age' has supplied the plausibility for such
encounters".

        Rather than a boundless thirst for God, we have instead a "great
thirst for contact with superior minds that will provide guidance for our
poor, harassed, hectic, planet" (Jaques Vallee, quoted in ORF, p.138).
Indeed Streiber is himself a fervent environmentalist with an apocalyptic
sense of the destruction man is bringing upon his little earth-home.

        What is clear in Streiber's books is that mind or thought control
is being exercised on the human race by these "visitors" in a way that
can only be described in the classic sense as occult. The Orthodox reader
is chilled when, at one point, the author discovers that he can "call up"
these "visitors" at will and experience a kind of "communion" with them
(thus, the title of his first book) in a manner that is clearly mediumistic.

        to be continued in PART 2

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Shattering Assault [part 2]
Date: 10 Aug 91 19:19:00 GMT

----------------------------------------- UFO's: The "Shattering Assault"
PART 2 by Father Alexey Young 'Orthodox America' issue #88 transcribed and
posted with the permission of the publisher

        No Orthodox Christian even slightly versed in the lives of the
saints and the writings of the Holy Fathers can fail to understand what
is happening here. The similarities between Streiber's experiences (and
those of other UFO "contactees") and the demonic warfare of the saints is
compelling. The author himself even describes peculiar smells associated
with his "visitors" -- among them, a "sulfur-like" odor which he compares
to the head of a matchstick. His "visitors" have frightening, insect-like
heads with enormous eyes that he associates with statues of the pagan
goddess Ishtar. In 'Transformation' he writes:

        "I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace. It was hell
on earth to be there, and yet I couldn't move, couldn't cry out, and
couldn't get away. I lay as still as death, suffering inner agonies.
Whatever was there seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and dark and
sinister ... I still remember that thing crouching there, so terribly
ugly, its arms and legs like limbs of a great insect, its eyes glaring at
me."

        In his second book Streiber concludes that many of the "close
encounters" he has had (and is still having) are for the purpose of
"shattering my belief in the accepted paradigm of reality. And it
succeeded very well ... I suspect that experiences such as [these] are
the outcomes of a fundamental shift of mind. They are what happens when
people begin to abandon the old, *false* beliefs..." Truer words were
never spoken.

        Although Streiber now believes that his "visitors" are extra-
terrestrials and have a physical reality, he also calls them "goblins"
and "soul-eaters," who have the "ability to enter the mind and affect
thought," and much, much worse. He writes:

        "Increasingly I felt as if I were entering a struggle that might
be a struggle *for my soul*, my essence, or whatever part of me might
have reference to the eternal...It was clear that the soul was very much
at issue. People [have] experienced feeling as if their souls were being
dragged from their bodies. More than one person had seen the visitors in
the context of a near-death experience."

        In spite of all this, Streiber's delusion is so great that he can
enthusiastically say that "it is up to each one of us to seek our own
contact [with the 'visitors'], develop it if it occurs, and challenge
ourselves to use it for...spiritual growth..."

        By contrast, Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov wrote a century ago:
"The perception of spirits with the eyes of sense always brings harm,
sometimes greater and sometimes less, to men who do not have spiritual
perception...He will unfailingly be deceived, he will unfailingly be
attracted, he will unfailingly be sealed with the seal of deception...the
seal of a frightful injury to his spirit; and further, the possibility of
correction and salvation is often lost. This has happened with many, very
many. It has happened not only with pagans, whose priests were for the
most part in open *communion* with demons; it has happened not only with
many Christians who do not know the mysteries of Christianity..' it has
[also] happened with many strugglers and monks..." (quoted in 'The Soul
After Death', Fr. Seraphim Rose, p.68)

        When he wasn't "seeing" them, Streiber nonetheless frequently
"heard" their voices, "as if from a small speaker just to the right of my
head." Without any difficulty at all he saw that this was similar to the
pagan oracles of old: "the oracles at Delphi and many other places in the
ancient world were channels answering questions in trance...With the rise
of Christianity the voice died...So the voice I was hearing, as also the
voices heard by modern channels, was possessed by an ancient and lofty
human heritage...I was still well within the tradition of human
experience."

        Streiber also speaks of psychic gifts that suddenly appear,
unbidden, in people who have UFO experiences: "precognition, apparent
telepathy, out-of-the-body perceptions, and even physical levitation.
Such people often find street lights mysteriously shutting down as they
walk down the street. (One wonders if he had ever seen the 1950's film
about modern-day witchcraft, 'Bell, Book, and Candle', in which a novice
warlock is able to turn out the street lights as he passes by.)

        Streiber concludes benignly; "I do not think we have even begun
to comprehend the visitors. I suspect that we are a lot farther from
understanding them than we are from understanding , say, the songs of the
whales..."

        But Fr. Seraphim wrote: "Such stories of demonic activity were
commonplace in earlier centuries. It is a sign of the spiritual crisis of
today that modern men, for all their proud 'enlightenment' and 'wisdom'
are becoming once more aware of such experiences -- but no longer have
the Christian framwork with which to explain them...A true evaluation of
UFO experiences may be made only on the basis of Christian revelation and
experience, and it is accessible only to the humble Christian believer
who trusts these sources" (Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, pps
137-138).

        Ever since the phenomenally successful movies, 'Close Encounters'
and 'E.T.'(just rereleased on video), we have seen a resurgence of
interest in UFO phenomena. It will doubtless continue to grow as
Christianity wanes in the West and people instead tune their ears to very
ancient "voices", once stilled by the Son of God.

        The Orthodox Christian, however must hold on to the redemption
offered by Christ, for as Fr. Seraphim wrote, "he knows that man is not
to 'evolve' into 'something higher', nor has he any reason to believe
that there are 'highly evolved' beings on other planets; but he knows
well that there are indeed ' advanced intelligences' in the universe
besides himself: these are of two kinds, and he strives to live so as to
dwell with those who serve God (the angels) and avoid contact with the
others who have rejected God (the demons)...he distrusts his own ability
to see through the deceptions of the demons, and therefore clings all the
more firmly to the Scriptural and Patristic guidelines which the Church
of Christ provides for his life...."(Orthodoxy and the religion of the
Future, pps. 144-145).

        O Archangel of God, leave us not defenseless against
        the spirits of evil in the upper air!

        from the prayer to St Michael the Archangel
[patron of Archangel Michael Russian Orthodox Student Association]

                                written by Father Alexey Young
                                published by Orthodox America
                                Vol IX, #8 (issue 88), March 89
                                available from GOLD::GILSTRAP
                                or by subscription from:
                                P.O.Box 2132, Redding CA., 96099

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: UFOs and Superconductors
Date: 10 Aug 91 21:10:00 GMT


 >> A ParaNet user recently pointed out this article to me, and suggested
 that it might have a bearing on the UFO propulsion question. I wanted to
 run it here to see what "reaction" it generates (grin). (John Chalmers,
 are you still out there?)
 My thanks to Deane Ward of The Encounter for transcription.  -JS
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  TRIAL AND ERROR IN JAPAN: LEVITATING THE BOSS
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                    POPULAR SCIENCE MAY 1991
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Last fall, at a convention on superconductivity, Masato Murakami, a
senior research scientist at Japan's International Super-conducting
Technology Center (ISTEC), and his colleagues succeeded in levi-
tating their boss, Dr. Shoji Tanaka, director of the ISTEC labora-
tory, as he stood on a permanent superconducting magnet.  The weight-
lifting demonstration marked steady progress in the practical appli-
cation of new ceramic superconductors.  Meanwhile, other Japanese
researchers are methodically creating new materials.
  Also last fall, for example, researchers at Hitachi's Supercon-
ductivity Research Center announced they had developed a material
that became superconductive at 130 degrees K, a record high temp-
erature.
  Unfortunately, the material also proved to be unstable, losing its
superconductivity within a few days.  And the process of synthesizing
the material was hit or miss.  Such problems must be solved before
the Hitachi discovery can truly be considered a new and practical
superconductor.
  Aside from the record high temperature, says Shin-Pei Matsuda, who
led the research team, the new compound is significant because it is
a vanadium oxide.  The bismuth, thallium, and yttrium compounds pre-
viously proven to be high-temperature superconductors all contain copper
oxide.
  Finding the material was a long process of trial and error.  "We tried
thousands of kinds of oxides," explains Matsuda.  The new material is a
compound of thallium, strontium, vanadium, and oxygen.  In laboratory
tests, the electrical resistance of the compound dropped precipi-
tiously after the temperature was lowered below 160 degrees K.  As a
result, Hitachi researchers believe that a variation of the compound
may have a critical temperature above 130 degrees K.
  But the stability and formulation problems temper the scientists'
enthusiasm.  "We made lots of samples, but only a few of them exhibited
superconductivity," Matsuda says.  "We cannot control the conditions of
formation."
  What's more, after the superconducting samples had been left exposed
to the air for a few days, the superconducting properties were lost.
The researchers believe this is due to the oxidation of the thallium,
which changes the chemical composition of the material.  Hitachi
researchers are continuing work on this vanadium oxide material and
other compounds.
  Japanese researchers are also looking at ways of putting high-temp-
erature superconductors to work.  Researchers at ISTEC are working on
applications based on what is called flux pinning: All superconductors
cooled to their critical temperature exhibit the Meissner effect, in
which a magnetic field is repulsed by the superconducting body.  The
Meissner effect, however, is only seen under weak magnetic fields.  By
dispersing non-superconducting elements in a superconducting material
matrix, ISTEC researchers have found that they can greatly increase the
ability of their new superconducting materials to repulse a magnetic
field.  The non-superconducting elements create what are called pinning
centers that channel, or pin, the magnetic flux at the surface of a
superconductor.
  This flux pinning creates something similar to the repulsion between
opposite poles of a magnet.  But magnetic repulsion is unstable; the
magnets move in any direction to escape.  With flux pinning, a magnet
can be levitated above a superconductor and held in a stable horizontal
position.  "The superconductor memorizes the stable condition," says
Murakami.
  ISTEC researchers have been working to increase the repulsive force
by increasing the density of the non-superconducting particles in a
superconducting matrix.  In January of 1990, the maximum levitating
force they could create with an yttrium-barium-copper oxide disc one
inch in diameter and 0.6 inch thick was 10.6 ounces.  By the end of the
year, the same size disc could hold almost 20 pounds in the air.  The
levitating force can be further increased by clustering a number of the
superconducting discs under one magnet, a technique that managed to
levitate Tanaka.
  The ISTEC researchers think the effect can be used to create non-
contact bearings.  That's because while a magnet will be held in a
stable horizontal position, it can still rotate.  "If you start to rotate
the magnet, it keeps rotating as long as eight or twelve hours," Murakami
explains.  "There is no friction."
  Murakami thinks it could be put to use in a mechanical energy-storage
device.  He envisions a 23-foot-diameter flywheel made from a permanent
magnet levitated above superconducting discs cooled with liquid nitrogen.
An electric motor-generator would put energy into the system by rotating
the flywheel.  Energy would be taken out by letting the kinetic energy
of the flywheel drive the generator, producing electricity.  Utilities
could use the device to balance their daily load variations.
  Tanaka says flux pinning can also be used to magnetize superconductors,
if a superconductor loaded with pinning centers is subjected to a magnetic
field in its non-superconducting state, that is, at higher-than-critical
temperatures, the flux passes through the material normally.  If the
superconductor is then cooled below its critical temperature, the flux
beomes trapped.  The superconductor becomes a permanent magnet and remains
one as long as the material is kept at the cryogenic temperature.
  Tanaka sees high-temperature superconducting research already entering
a second phase that will result in practical applications by the mid-
1990s.  He predicts that within about three years, a material with a
critical temperature of 150 degrees K will be developed and that critical
currents will reach practical levels.  "We are optimistic about the
potential for high-temperature superconductors," he says.--Dennis Normile

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schuyler)
Subject: Dale Goudie
Date: 10 Aug 91 22:10:00 GMT

I used to dial into a board in Seattle run by Dale Goudie which contained
all the CUFON files now on ParaNet. Dale was involved in Blue Peace, a sort
of UFO Greenpeace organization. The board is now gone, and I assume for the
moment that ParaNet Alpha Lambda is the only UFO-oriented board now in
place in the Seattle area. Whatever happened to Dale? Anybody know?
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Dale Goudie
Date: 12 Aug 91 02:01:00 GMT


 > I used to dial into a board in Seattle run by Dale Goudie which
 > contained
 > all the CUFON files now on ParaNet. Dale was involved in Blue Peace, a
 > sort
 > of UFO Greenpeace organization. The board is now gone, and I assume for
 > the
 > moment that ParaNet Alpha Lambda is the only UFO-oriented board now in
 > place in the Seattle area. Whatever happened to Dale? Anybody know?

I don't know other than financial reasons.  Dale also was pretty disgusted
with the state of affairs concerning UFOlogy.  I lost contact with him over
two years ago.

Mike

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 452

                            Monday, August 12th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                  Welcome UFORA
              Blue And Green Fireballs (was: Re: Fireball Of 1972)
                          Re: Blue And Green Fireballs
                          Re: UFOs and Superconductors
                                Bentwaters Update
                                     Article
                       Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
                               Lear And Others...
                                Gulf Breeze news
                                That grey area...
                                     (none)
                              Re: Martian Anomalies
                                   Re: (none)
                          UFO SIGHTIHG IN NEW YORK CITY
                             Re:  **** Warning *****
                                    CONTINUUM

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Welcome UFORA
Date: 12 Aug 91 02:04:00 GMT

This is to announce that we have established a link with UFORA (UFO Research
Australia).

I am posting the biography of its principles, Vlad Godic and Keith
Basterfield.  In addition, Bill Chalker joins us via this link as well.

Welcome to ParaNet!


UFO RESEARCH AUSTRALIA (UFORA)

PO Box 229, Prospect,
South Australia 5082

Organization:


UFORA operates as a network of interested persons and groups, in all Australian
States, sharing the information they acquire. Vladimir Godic co-ordinates
general network administration and Keith Basterfield overall research.

The aims of the network are:

(A)  To stimulate Australian research into the UFO phenomenon, on a without
prejudice basis, in order to better understand the causes(s) of the phenomenon,
and

(B)  To aid research by promoting co-operation between intereste dparties.

The philosophy of the network can be best summarised by the term "Middle of the
Road". It is neither a collection of "avid believers" nor "confirmed sceptics".
Since its inception it has consistently argued that the UFO phenomenon is of
interest to science, that it is amenable to study following scientific method,
and that valuable information may be gained irrespective of the ultimate cause
of the phenomenon.

Results of research are published via a bi-monthly Research Digest, a
periodical Newsletter, documents, catalogues and articles in a number of
leading overseas UFO journals.

---------------------------------------------------------

Vladimir Godic - UFORA Administrator

Vlad has had a life interest in UFOlogy which became serious in the early 50s.
His interest covers every aspect of UFOlogy. He was the founder of UFO Research
(South Australia) Inc. in December 1968, the first scientifically oriented
research group in Australia, and has been a Liaison Officer for the group from
that time through 1980. In January 1980 he started up as the  Editor and
Publisher of UFO Research Australia Newsletter. Before founding UFO Research
(SA) Inc., Vlad was a Senior Vice-President (for 4 years to 1968) of
Unidentified Flying Objects Phenomena Investigation Association (UFOPIA), and
(for the latter 3 of those years) an investigation officer for UFOPIA in
Adelaide , South Australia.

In August 1982 Vlad took over the Administration job with the Australian Center
For Ufo studies which he held until August 1985 when he founded UFO Research
Australia.

-----------------------------------------------------

Keith Basterfield - UFOR Research Officer

Keith has held position within UFO Research (South Australia) Inc. of Co-
ordinator (1977-1979) and Liaison Officer (1980-1981) He was a field
investigator for APRO (1977-1980), and the Australian and New Zealand
Continental Co-ordinator for MUFON as well as being Co-ordinator for the
Australian Center for UFO Studies. He was also co-founder of UFO Research
Australia.

Keith's major achievements in UFOlogy include a compilation of several
documents and introduction of the idea of "imagery" for explaining certain
close encounters.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Blue And Green Fireballs (was: Re: Fireball Of 1972)
Date: 12 Aug 91 02:13:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Sci.Space"
 * Originally from [e-mail]
 * Originally dated 08-06-91 12:10

+From: [e-mail]
Date: 5 Aug 91 17:01:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
+Newsgroups: sci.space


In SPACE Digest V14 #019,
psinntp!uupsi!dorsaidm![e-mail]  (Daniel Delvalle) writes:

>In <[e-mail]>,
>uupsi!decwrl.dec.com!daver!tscs!bailey!root (Ben Bailey) writes:
>
>You requested information regarding a 'fireball' observed in 'Aug of 82 or
>84'.
>I saw the fireball.
>...the time (Aug 12, 1982)...Trenton-Robinsonville Airport in N.J.
>...I was amazed to see a 'fireball' that appeared to be directly
>overhead, moving North to South.
>...
>The 'fireball' seemed to last for 3-4 seconds.  It burned with a bright
>green, with some blue.  I don't remember any red or orange tints to it.
>It left a trail of 'smoke' for some minutes.  Two things made this so
>impressive: the sheer brilliance of the burnout (I cast a shadow from it!),
>and the colors.
>
>Hope this helps you!
>
>Ben Bailey
>Tampa Fl.

I saw a large blue and green fireball once.  I don't remember the year,
except that it had to be sometime after I was married in June '84, but
the date would have been August 11 or 12 because we were going with some
friends to Glen Rose State Park (or is it a national park?), which is
south of Dallas, TX.

It must have been after 9PM, because it was dark, but before midnight
because we were still on the road.  The two wives were in the back seat
talking whilst we hubbies were in the front wondering if we were going
to be able to see anything, since there were light clouds overhead.

Then the whole sky lit up with a blue and green flickering light.  I
looked up and saw the fireball through the clouds, going straight overhead
in the direction we were travelling, which must have been toward the south.
The fireball and its trail looked fuzzy through the clouds, and because
of this the head appeared to be perhaps two to four times the size of a
full Moon in the sky, with the tail half as wide but spanning at least
45 and possibly 90 degrees.  Our wives saw the light cast from the
fireball, but by the time the looked up it was over the roof, so they
didn't see the thing itself since they were in the back seat.

I seem to recall there having been two such fireballs in rapid succession,
but I'm really not sure about that.  Maybe it was just the excitement of
the moment.  The rest of the shower was just a typical Perseid shower,
not really spectacular, but an enjoyable thing to do for one night in
August.


Now for the question and answer period.
* Normally, Perseid meteors just give off your typical "meteor orange"
  glow.  So why is it that if they do happen to make a huge fireball,
  they go blue and green?
* Why are they blue and green but not blue-green?
* True, this is a small sample, but of two witnesses to two separate
  blue and green fireball incidences, both said it passed directly
  overhead.  Coincidence, or CONSPIRACY? ;=]
* Do blue and green fireballs always travel north to south?
* Did Mr. Bailey see his fireball prior to midnight?  If so, is it
  significant that both these fireballs happened before midnight?
* How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
* Has anyone else out there seen a blue and green fireball?

_____________
Dale M. Greer, whose opinions are not to be confused with those of the
Center for Space Sciences, U.T. at Dallas, UTSPAN::UTADNX::UTDSSA::GREER
   While the Bill of Rights burns, Congress fiddles. -- anonymous lawyer

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Blue And Green Fireballs
Date: 12 Aug 91 02:14:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Sci.Space"
 * Originally from [e-mail]
 * Originally dated 08-07-91 13:32

+From: [e-mail]
Date: 6 Aug 91 17:10:22 GMT
Organization: The Internet
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
+Newsgroups: sci.space

In SPACE Digest V14 #026,
[e-mail]  (Fraering Philip G) writes:

>Yes, I've seen a blue or green fireball. It was during the perseids.
>As for the color, ever flame test copper?
>
>Phil

A pat answer which misses the point.  This was my question:
:* Normally, Perseid meteors just give off your typical "meteor orange"
:  glow.  So why is it that if they do happen to make a huge fireball,
:  they go blue and green?

So, is it true that they only take on the blue and green cast when they
make huge fireballs, or have you seen a small one with this color?

As for copper, this seems the obvious answer, but it's only a trace
element in meteorites, so the Perseids would be unusual indeed if they
contained enough of it to produce that much green and blue light.
Generally, Mg, Ti, and Cr are all much more abundant than Cu, and all
can produce spectral peaks in the cyan to green region.

_____________
Dale M. Greer, whose opinions are not to be confused with those of the
Center for Space Sciences, U.T. at Dallas, UTSPAN::UTADNX::UTDSSA::GREER
   While the Bill of Rights burns, Congress fiddles. -- anonymous lawyer

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: UFOs and Superconductors
Date: 12 Aug 91 00:52:00 GMT

I've never understood the supposed connection between UFO's and
superconduction.  From the article posted from Popular Science I see
no particular reason to change that view.  Virtually all physical force
field effects, such as magnetism, electricity, gravity, etc, are
proportional with the effect diminishing as the Square of the distance.
  A device that produces 20 pounds of "lift" at 0.005 meters will
produce very little at an practical UFO height!!  And even if the
magnet WAS strong enough to "reach" out for any meaningfull distance
the field strength near the UFO would be tremendous.  Not to mention
that it is not sufficent to have a high field on the one side, say the
UFO, without haveing something for it to react against, such as the
earth.  The earth is not all that strong of a magnet nor is the surface
exactly one big chunk of iron just waiting for something to repel
against it.
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Bentwaters Update
Date: 12 Aug 91 05:52:00 GMT

Mark your calendars for Sept. 18th: On that Wednesday evening at 8PM
EDT, NBC will broadcast the season premier of "Unsolved Mysteries",
which will include a splashy recreation of the Bentwaters Incident. As
you may know, just after Christmas of 1980, several security police and
officers attached to Bentwaters AFB in England saw a series of baffling
UFOs that came very close to the ground, possibly leaving traces of
radiation. A portion of one sighting was recorded by Lt. Col. Charles I.
Halt, the deputy base commander, who wrote up the entire incident in an
official memorandum. Halt will be among others featured on the
broadcast, and will be speaking openly for the first time.

Another witness, John Burroughs, will also be featured. Burroughs lay
low for many years after the sighting, but came forward to me back in
1989. He has since spoken to several researchers, and together we are
spearheading an effort to re-focus public attention to the case, which I
feel ranks up with Roswell as one of our best contenders. There are some
very compelling suggestions of high-level cover-up; there is at the very
least a palpable shyness on the part of both governments (US and UK) to
be forthright about information pertaining to the case.

 Burroughs has agreed to be interviewed for an exclusive ParaNet
release, and is seeking the help of any reputable UFO group to bring
this case to the attention of the public and ideally, the Congress.

Incidentally, the special effects for the UM broadcast were done by
Industrial Light & Magic. The recreation promises to be pretty
spectacular.

Jim Speiser


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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Article
Date: 12 Aug 91 03:54:06 GMT

Hi Kurt -
   Will mail out that article to you in the next couple of days!

See you,

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Date: 12 Aug 91 03:57:32 GMT

Hi Don,

Funny how the folks seeing/handling the alien artifacts seem so blase.  Like,
"Ho, hum...see what came in today, Joe?"

If this is the attitude, why all the secrecy??????

Thanks for the post,

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Lear And Others...
Date: 10 Aug 91 04:27:02 GMT


 >  Oh yes, Little Timmy Bennett is real, and I had the dubious
 > pleasure of meeting him very briefly at the LA Expo West several
 > months ago.

  You've *met* him? What a treat. ;-)
  At least now we know he's not really Wild Bill.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Gulf Breeze news
Date: 10 Aug 91 04:35:03 GMT


 > Somehow, don't ask me how, but yes, I believe whole-heartedly
 > that Ed was driving across the bridge at approximately that
 > time.

  Yes, I read you loud and clear. ;-)
  I just got a tidbit. A while back, one redlight sighting was pretty
much determined to be a red parachute flare. A supposedly-uninvolved
person told an investigator, who shall be publicly nameless, that he
saw Ed Walters' truck parked in the area below where the red light was
seen. Completely unverified, but interesting.
  The same investigator said that one redlight sighting was definitely
determined to have been a parachute flare when it dropped bits of
burning phosphorous on cars!
  Anyway, the investigator's opinion is that most of the redlight
sightings are for real, while many others are caused by people
fooling around with flares. Since it's a seaside area, parachute
flares are very easy to come by.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: That grey area...
Date: 9 Aug 91 19:48:00 GMT


 nc> 1. gray \'gra-\ aj [ME, fr. OE gr<a-e>-g; akin to OHG gra-o gray, OSlav
 nc> color gray; also : dull in color 2:
 nc>   having the hair gray : HOARY 3:
 nc> clothed in gray 4: dull in mood or outlook
 nc> 5: anyone holding a ray-gun.
 nc> Gee.  Such a broad range of meanings!!!


Uh huh.   You forgot one other definition:

6: gray - that area of matter in the human brain which conceives and accepts
concepts and theories pertaining to the reality of alien beings with little
regard for proof or factual material



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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: (none)
Date: 11 Aug 91 00:23:55 GMT


 To: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
 >
 > From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)
 >
 >
 > [e-mail]
 >
 > I have tried to send each of you separate private
 > email over the last month or so and have received no response.
 > Have you received anything from me?

Nope, nada....

 > Is there some other address you can give me?
 >
I'm 147/66.22 so maybe that will help....

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Martian Anomalies
Date: 11 Aug 91 00:29:00 GMT

To: [e-mail]

nc>From: [e-mail] (Gene Gross)

Hey, Gene!  Long time, no type!  I was just poring over old messages in this
echo (because I skimmed them before) and clearly I missed yours!  Sorry!
(UNIX paths leave me crosseyed, what can I say).

nc>Hey, Clark, I'm finally able to post again.  How's the BBS
nc>going?
nc>Once my PC at home gets up and running again, I've got a
nc>piece that I
nc>want to upload.  I've been having severe hard disk problems
nc>with the
nc>new hard disk.  So the PC is back in the shop.

The BBS is running pretty well, knock on wood.  8 months and counting, with
about 35 megs of files and related materials and a fair number of users from
the US, canada & europe.

Sorry to hear about your HD -- odd that the trouble is with a *new* disk.
Is it SCSI?  If so, your BIOS setup routines may be the problem.  With an
SCSI controller, you should probably tell your BIOS that you have no hard
disk at all.

Otherwise the BIOS will try to do things that the SCSI host/controller is
doing independently.  Result:  disaster.

You're always welcome here, guy!  The Wrong Number BBS -- 201-451-3063

 ... or  ...

f816.n107.z1.fidonet.org!Clark.Matthews


How's this summer's chili crop?  :-)


Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 11 Aug 91 00:41:00 GMT

nc>There were a couple posts recently which referred to sightings
nc>of UFOs by World War II pilots.  I believe there is a book called
nc>'UFOs:  Nazi Secret Weapon?' out there somewhere.  Has anyone seen
nc>this or know where it can be obtained?

Hi Greg.  I've got several files on the subject on my BBS in the
KeelyNet section.  NAZIUFO.ZIP, NAZI1.ZIP and some others come to
mind.  They deal with a number of Alt. Tech. efforts at "V"
weapons, including the efforts of Victor Schauberger and several
other scientists and inventors.

Best,
 Clark



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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: UFO SIGHTIHG IN NEW YORK CITY
Date: 11 Aug 91 01:13:00 GMT


Hi Bill.  When was your sighting in Yonkers?  I've just heard
from a user on my board of a sighting in Westchester/Putnam quite
recently.

The other user is preparing a text file of the incident and I
plan to make it available on my BBS.  Maybe you'll find it of
interest.

Best,
  Clark


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re:  **** Warning *****
Date: 12 Aug 91 05:57:00 GMT


 > If extra-terrestrial lifeforms have altered us genetically
 > or are studying us in a genetic context I could see a
 > possible correlation.  But to have a trained physician ask
 > totally off the wall questions like that...  Something is
 > up.

James, pardon a reply to a very old post, but I find this
"migrane" study to be very interesting indeed.

Perhaps the researcher's concern is the type of 'psychosis' that
occasionally accompanies migranes.  It strikes me as very odd,
however, that the questionnaire would specify "belief in
extraterrestrials" as a hallmark of this psychosis.  Ordinarily,
this topic would come near the end of a rather long list of
true/false questions listing other delusions:  e.g., "do you
hear voices", "do you harbor more than one personality", "do you
feel disconnected from your surroundings", "do you experience
strange sensations", etc.  My point is that acceptance of ET
life would not be the first symptom of psychosis in a migrane
sufferer.  Does anyone know:  were any other symptoms listed???

My girlfriend has suffered from migranes for years, too, and you
have my sympathy.  It's an awful problem.  In her case, she gets
an odd, "copper-like" taste in her mouth hours (even up to a day)
before the onset of a headache.

But ... wouldn't it be interesting if brain dysfunction (like
migrane, or epilepsy, or aphasia, or simple brain damage) could
cause a psychic (or *scalar*) receptor effect?  In other words,
what if certain electrochemical brain problems can randomly allow
people to see/hear/taste/smell things that we can't
see/hear/taste/smell?

Tom Bearden has claimed for years that the brain is a scalar
transmitter, and present-day studies of electrochemical brain
activity show a "cascading" effect throughout the brain.
Precisely the sort of swirling electrical field that can generate
scalar waves.  Moreover, these "cascading" discharges are all
different -- they are characteristic of the thought/memory/action
being performed by the brain at the time.  So, when someone says
they smell roses before going into a trance -- that says to me
that the pattern discharge of "rose smell" in their brain can
trigger something else, or is characteristic of something else.

Anyway, I wonder if this study is about migranes or about
electrochemical "triggers" in the brain.

Best,
  Clark



 >
 > Best,
 > James.
 >
 > --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Reg)
 >  * Origin: PARANET LAMBDA(sm)*HST 14.4*[phone]*
 > 9:1010/14 (9:1010/14)


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: CONTINUUM
Date: 12 Aug 91 07:34:00 GMT


 > About 3 or 4 or 5 months ago, there was a message left here about a new
 > newsletter (or was it a magazine) that was being started.  There was a
 > price, etc.  There was also a FREE offer for the first issue to anyone
 > who netmailed.  Well, I netmailed, but have never received anything,
 > not even a reply.  Can anyone shed some light on this?  Did it flop?
 > Was there REALLY a free first issue offer?  What gives? Thanks in advance.
 >

Hi John.  You're on the mailing list for the first issue -- but
we're experiencing delays on this end.  Thanks for your patience.

Best,
  Clark


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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 453

                           Thursday, August 15th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                   Hi Clark!!
                                     (none)
                  How to build your own dinosaur or reptilian...
                                Gulf Breeze News
                                Bentwaters Update
                                glossary of terms
                                  Re: Bennewitz
                                 Re: The Coverup
                        Re: ROSWELL on UNSOLVED MYSTERIES
                      Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
                                     l in 40
                      Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
                                 Re: NEW PLANET
                                 Bennewitz Redux
                          Re: subscription cancellation
                             Re:  **** Warning *****
                          Re: UFOs and Superconductors
                               Re: Bennewitz Redux
                             Re:  **** Warning *****
                               Re: Bennewitz Redux
                      Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
                      Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
                           Rainbow Declaration, (Long)

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From: dg-rtp.dg.com!grossg
Subject: Hi Clark!!
Date: 13 Aug 91 15:38:14 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gene Gross)

Say, old salt, wondered if I was getting through.  I'm posting this
from my UNIX system at the office.  I've finally gotten my PC fixed.
I swapped out the new 40 meg hard drive for an IDE 80 meg, and that
seemed to fix the problem.  I'm slowly loading all my old software
back onto the system, so it might be another week or two before I'll
be able to modem out into the world from home again.

Well, back to the salt mines -- or is that the grind stone!? <GRIN>

Later,

Gene Gross





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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 13 Aug 91 19:33:36 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


Subject:  How to build your own dinosaur or reptilian...

 ...with things you probably have around your house.

The following excerpts are from NYTimes, June 25, 1991 p C1.

Begin Quoting:

 Scientists Study Ancient DNA for Glimpses of Past Worlds

      by Malcolm W. Browne

 Will it one day become possible to breed a living dinosaur for genes
 preserved in fossils?

 Although most scientists regard such an idea as unrealistic, a few
 have begun to conclude that it can no longer be dismissed out of
 hand.  With luck, ingenuity, they say, geneticists might one day
 recover enough dinosaur DNA to create a beast that is reasonably
 close to the original.

 A major reason for their surprising optimism is the recent
 development of a laboratory technique called the polymerase chain
 reaction, or PCR.  A method for amplifying minute quantities of
 genetic material, even if old and fragmentary, it has prompted a
 run by scientists on museum collections of extinct animals and
 plants, as well as on ancient human remains, in the hope of
 extracting any DNA, the basic genetic material,
 that has survived the centuries.

(GBL: Switch now to a diagram with a side heading of:)

 Recipe for a Dinosaur
 1.  Find a bead of amber that contains a blood-sucking
       insect from the age of dinosaurs.
 2.  Extract genetic material from blood cells of a bitten
       dinosaur, and amplify DNA with the PCR technique.
 3.  Process and inject into embryo of an alligator.
 4.  Wait until it hatches.

 The recipe, suggested by Dr. George O. Poinar, Jr. of the University
 of California at Berkeley, makes many as-yet-untested assumptions,
 but exemplifies scientists' new hopes of recovering useful information
 from fossils with a method that allows the minutest samples
 of DNA to be analyzed.

(Back to main article.)

 Paleontologists and anthropologists have begun using the technique
 as a window into the past, through which evolutionary paths,
 migration patterns, kinship and other relationships can be
 brought to light.  Some early fruits of this research will be
 reported at 'Ancient DNA,' the first such international meeting, to
 be held at the University of Nottingham in England next month.

 How much of the distant past will prove visible through the PCR window
 is still a matter of conjecture.  No one can yet answer the most basic
 questions, including how long DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid, can
 survive, how much can be inferred from degraded sections of the huge
 DNA molecules, or how trustworthy the extraction processes may be.

(skipping...)

 'Obviously, we couldn't reconstruct an extinct animal today, even if
 we had all its DNA,' he said in an interview.  'However, my belief
 is that there are dinosaur cells inside biting flies trapped in amber
 of Cretaceous age and older.  It's just a matter of finding the
 dinosaur DNA and getting it out.'

 This idea, suggested by Dr. Poinar, was the basis of the best-selling
 science-fiction novel 'Jurasic Park,' by Dr. Michael Crichton
 (1990, Knopf). In the book, dinosaur DNA is combined with DNA in the
 eggs of modern amphibians or reptiles and the eggs are then incubated
 to produce live dinosaurs.  The book is being made into a movie
 directed by Steven Spielberg.  'I think the idea is quite plausible,'
 Dr. Poinar said, 'and I feel the possibility for doing
 something like this will exist in the future.'

 While some microbiologists and paleontologists agree that dinosaur
 resuscitation might just be possible, others, including Dr. Svante
 Paabo of the University of Munich, a molecular geneticist who has
 investigated the DNA of various extinct species, discount the notion.

 'I would say no, it can't be done,' Dr. Paabo said in an interview.

 Dr. Paabo, formerly of the University of California at Berkeley,
 worked with Dr. Allan Wilson and Dr. Russell G. Higuchi in 1984 on
 a landmark study of the DNA of the quagga, an extinct South African
 animal related to the horse.  from an analysis of DNA extracted from
 a 140-year-old quagga skin preserved in a German museum, the Berkeley
 group determined that the quagga was a very close relative of the
 modern plains zebra and a much more distant relative of the horse.

 Dr. Paabo believes it would be impossible to recreate the quagga
 from its DNA, much less recreate a dinosaur.

 'It's really impossible to do things like that,' he said.  "It's
 theoretically possible to isolate the gene for a certain character,
 and introduce it into another species, if you thought that was
 worthwhile, which I do not.  You could find the gene for the typical
 quagga color pattern, for example, and introduce it into a
 zebra.  You would end up with something that looked like a quagga,
 but in reality, it would just be a zebra that looked like a quagga.'

(There's more; I'm stopping here.)

What has this to do with aliens?  Well, if you meet a reptilian from
Beta Repticula, you might want to ask him who his father is!
(Please don't think that I believe there are reptilian aliens here.)

That last sentence that I quoted is interesting.

They seem to agree that one cannot recreate an extinct reptile, but
you can make something LOOK like an extinct reptile!  Is this limited
to animals?  Couldn't the same be done to humans?  We have a lot more
DNA available from humans than from extinct reptiles.  Could you make
Fred look like Barney (or Frieda!) with the right substitution of DNA?

What if there were indeed aliens found on the Roswell site?  With
extraction of their DNA, could one make a human LOOK like an alien?
If you now 'see' an alien, how can you be sure it doesn't just LOOK
like an alien? (All this, assuming of course, that there are aliens
to reproduce!) All you need is a (un)willing host.  Haven't there
been 'abductions' involving pregnancies?

I heard once where a man can be a host for some time for a fetus.
If a man can do that, could a cow also be a host for part of the
pregnancy period? Could this explain cattle mutilations?  Do we
really need aliens to be responsible for mutilations or could
it be a generic bunch of 'scientists.'

No proof of anything here, just something to think about.

Greg ([e-mail])





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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Gulf Breeze News
Date: 13 Aug 91 23:55:00 GMT


 >   Anyway, the investigator's opinion is that most of the redlight
 > sightings are for real, while many others are caused by people fooling
 > around with flares. Since it's a seaside area, parachute flares are very
 > easy to come by.

Thanks for the update.  I would be curious to know how they determine which
are the results of red-light flares and the real sightings?

Thanks again.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Bentwaters Update
Date: 13 Aug 91 23:57:00 GMT

Thanks for the information.

Mike

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: glossary of terms
Date: 14 Aug 91 05:37:32 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

[e-mail] (Gregory B Lush) writes:

+I have been having trouble understanding what some people
+are saying lately regarding 'gray' aliens because it seems
+as though each person has a different meaning when they
+speak of 'The Grays.'  Would it be a good idea for ParaNet
+to form a glossary of terms so that it is more clear
+what is being said?

The subject came up on alt.alien.visitors not too long ago, and I agreed
that it was probably something that should be done, but I never decided
exactly how to go about it.  I mean, I tend to ramble on quite a bit, and
if I wasn't careful I could end up writing a complete history of the
phenomenon or something.  We do need something of the sort, but it should
be SHORT and TO THE POINT.

+So that single individuals needn't do all the work, perhaps
+the moderators could 'farm out' certain words for inclusion
+and then simply edit them to suit uniformity. I'm sure that
+readers have many ideas of their own for words to be included.
+People can therefore just post them with a defining
+sentence/paragraph.  Everyone else can then pick it
+apart and say what a great/lousy definition it is.

Sounds good to me.  Any volunteers for anything?  Once I get my network
connection fully switched over, I'll try to post some myself.

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Bennewitz
Date: 14 Aug 91 02:23:00 GMT

Hi !
   Sorry to take so long to answer - was out of town.

   I lloked at the catalog for Beckley's New Age/UFO Conf. and it is Al
Bielek who will be talking on Sunday, Sept. 8.  (Not Bennewitz)  The
catalog says:
     "Besides the Philadelphia Experiment, Bielek details additional
Top Secret "Black" Projects which could lead to great advancements if
the "Powers That Be" would come forward with information bound to
shock all."

Thanks for clearing this up!

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: The Coverup
Date: 14 Aug 91 02:25:00 GMT

Hello Kurt,
   I have the article ready to send and will "snail" it out to you
tomorrow!!

Regards,

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: ROSWELL on UNSOLVED MYSTERIES
Date: 14 Aug 91 02:29:00 GMT

Hello Steve:
  So what did you think of "Unsolved Mysteries" over there??

Best,

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
Date: 14 Aug 91 02:39:00 GMT

Hi Clark,
  In a message to Will Martin on Aug. 10, you mentioned an animal
called a "brachiopod" with a brain, etc. and referred to this creature
as a dinosaur.
  I humbly hate to nit-pick, but my "Dictionary of Geologic Terms"
tells me that a brachiopod is a "marine, shelled animal with two
shells, etc."
   Did you perhaps mean a brontosaurus?
   Thanks, and I am here to tell ya that people correct MOI all the
time!

Best always!

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: l in 40
Date: 12 Aug 91 18:31:10 GMT

Hi Mike,
   The first person I heard use the figure "l in 40 persons has been abducted"
was *Bill Cooper* on a radio program some time back.  He may have obtained that
information from elsewhere (as he is prone to do).

Regards,

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schuyler)
Subject: Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
Date: 11 Aug 91 16:23:00 GMT

Re: Holographic Universe & Time travel

Those who KNOW time travel violates the laws of physics can just skip this
message...

For others, there are a couple of good books if you want to pursue this
line. "The Aquarian Conspiracy" by Marilyn Ferguson touches on this idea
and is a good source for further reading as well. One recent book is "The
Holographic Universe," by Michael Talbot, which goes into detail on the
potential physics of holography and potential explanations for psychic
phenomenon. A third is "The Holographic Paradigm," edited by Ken Wilber.
NONE of these treatments are sensationalistic; they are all sober
treatments of the subject.
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: NEW PLANET
Date: 12 Aug 91 21:09:00 GMT

PP>NEW YORK (AP) -- Astronomers say they have detected the
PP>first known planet outside the solar system, an object that
PP>orbits a very dense star and is perhaps 12 times as massive
PP>as Earth.

 ....

PP>   Other researchers have reported apparent detections of
PP>planets outside the solar system before, but some reports
PP>have been refuted and none is widely accepted.


Hi Pete.  Not to take anything away from Harvard, but the Nobel
Prize-winning astronomer Fred Van de Kamp "discovered" planets around
Barnard's Star in the the late 1950s, by taking measurements of the
perturbation of the star itself.   To my knowledge his calculations have
never been refuted and, in fact, they are widely accepted.

I think this Harvard stuff is "new old news".  Sure, they'd *like* to be the
first group to find planets outside the solar system, but...

How soon we forget.

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Bennewitz Redux
Date: 13 Aug 91 22:50:00 GMT

To:  uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms


Jim, re: Bennewitz

 > He apparently hasn't given up though, because as I said
 > recently he's
 > issued more stories about the base near Dulce.
 >

What kind of stories is Paul Bennewitz telling about Dulce?  I'm
very surprised, needless to say.

Best,
  Clark


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)
Subject: Re: subscription cancellation
Date: 14 Aug 91 08:28:00 GMT

The proper way of getting off an Internet mailing list is to send to the
-request address (in this case, infopara-request), not to the mailing list
itself.  Why do so many people have trouble understanding this?

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)
Subject: Re:  **** Warning *****
Date: 14 Aug 91 08:41:00 GMT

I just had to reply to your message about the brain.  On last week's episode
of "Prime Time Pets," there was a story about a dog who could sense when his
owner was about to have an epileptic seizure.  What's more, this situation
apparently isn't unique!  It only happens with certain dogs and certain
people, but it's not unique.  The medical community speculates that the dogs
can detect chemical changes in the brain.  Personally, I prefer Bearden's
avalanche discharges/scalar interferometry theory :-)  I wonder if Bearden
knows about this?

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)
Subject: Re: UFOs and Superconductors
Date: 14 Aug 91 08:44:00 GMT

That is absolutely amazing.  Thank you very much for posting it!

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)
Subject: Re: Bennewitz Redux
Date: 14 Aug 91 08:50:00 GMT

See my reply in private mail.

I would've replied sooner except I haven't gotten anything over the Internet
again for a while.  I'm in the process of moving my connection to another
node, but I'm still picking up mail from the old one so that shouldn't be
the problem.

By the way, did you hear one of the proposals for the Philadelphia navy yard
property if it gets shut down?  Disneyland North!  I think this is Bielek's
big chance -- he could design a time-travel ride for them!  (I'm sure you
could too, for that matter...)

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re:  **** Warning *****
Date: 14 Aug 91 10:00:00 GMT

In a message to Clark Matthews <08-14-91 01:41> Jim Shaffer wrote:

JS>I just had to reply to your message about the brain.  On
JS>last week's episode of "Prime Time Pets," there was a story
JS>about a dog who could sense when his owner was about to
JS>have an epileptic seizure.  What's more, this situation
JS>apparently isn't unique!  It only happens with certain dogs


Jim, this may strain credibility, but...

It happens with people's **plants**, too!  A botanist in California was
measuring the electrochemical activity of various types of plants.  He had
them hooked up to simple EEG monitoring recorders 24 hours a day, and he was
comparing the paper tapes of EEG activity in his plants with daylight cycles
and other data to see what influence certain factors had on plant growth &
activity.

Then, one day, the botanist was involved in a car crash several miles from
his home.  When he eventually got home (much later the day of the crash), he
looked at his experiment and found that the EEG monitors **had gone wild**
at the instant of the crash.  ALL OF THE PLANTS REGISTERED REACTIONS.

Needless to say, several new experiments are in progress to measure the
effect of external stimuli on the *caretakers of plants* at various
*distances* from the plants themselves.  Distances of many tens of miles do
not seem to be a factor in the instantaneous response of plants to traumatic
stimuli on their caretakers.

As an aside to this, take a look at the two files on Kirlian photography if
you haven't done so already.  They're in the Keely General Section:
KIRL1.ZIP and KIRL2.ZIP.

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Bennewitz Redux
Date: 14 Aug 91 10:04:00 GMT

In a message to Clark Matthews <08-14-91 01:50> Jim Shaffer wrote:

JS>By the way, did you hear one of the proposals for the
JS>Philadelphia navy yard property if it gets shut down?
JS>Disneyland North!  I think this is Bielek's big chance --


ME TOO!!

But won't he look a little mawkish with those big ears and silly Mickey
Mouse lederhosen?

But maybe there's a place for him there as Pinocchio, if his nose can stand
it.  I hear implants are getting much safer these days...

Cheers,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
Date: 14 Aug 91 11:16:00 GMT

In a message to Clark Matthews <08-13-91 19:39> Linda Bird wrote:
LB>  In a message to Will Martin on Aug. 10, you mentioned an
LB>animal
LB>called a "brachiopod" with a brain, etc. and referred to
LB>this creature
LB>as a dinosaur.

True.  Alas, they were around before dinosaurs were a twinkle in a
Crocodilian's eye.  Of course I meant theropods, which were the entire
suborder of nasty bipeds like Tyrannosaurus and Albertosaurs and Allisaurus.
 They gobbled up sauropods with gusto.

I stand corrected.  But I don't apologize for the clam cocktail I had before
posting that errant message.

*Burp*
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
Date: 14 Aug 91 11:20:00 GMT

In a message to Clark Matthews <08-11-91 09:23> Michael Schuyler wrote:

MS>Re: Holographic Universe & Time travel
MS>
MS>Those who KNOW time travel violates the laws of physics can just skip this
MS>message...

Thanks Michael.  Actually, Dr. Hawking can keep reading as far as I'm
concerned...

MS>recent book is "The Holographic Universe," by Michael Talbot, which goes into
MS>detail on the potential physics of holography and potential explanations
MS>for psychic phenomenon.

Just spent almost 1/2 hour poring over this book greedily at Barnes & Noble.
 It's next on my hit parade, after the new Roswell book!


MS> A third is "The Holographic Paradigm," edited by Ken Wilber.

Thanks for this!  I hadn't heard of it.  Can you tell me the publisher?  I'd
appreciate it.

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (sm)
Subject: Rainbow Declaration, (Long)
Date: 14 Aug 91 14:51:00 GMT

The following is being posted by request.  It is very long (12 messages).  It
is not copyrighted according to the author, John Brandenburg, and he
encourages that everyone pass it around.  It is being reproduced in its
entirety as it appeared in the MUFON Proceedings.  ParaNet makes not claim to
its accuracy or content, and in no way endorses the material.

     THE RAINBOW DECLARATION AND HUMAN DESTINY IN THE COSMOS

                               by

                   John E. Brandenburg, Ph.D.

              (From the MUFON Symposium Proceedings)



                   John E. Brandenburg, Ph.D.

     John E. Brandenburg Ph.D. is a theoretical plasma  physicist
living  in  Alexandria, Virginia.  He is employed  by  a  private
scientific research firm in the Washington, D.C. area.
     Dr.  Brandenburg received his B.A. in Physics in  1975  form
Southern Oregon, A Masters in Applied Science form the University
of  California at Davis in 1977 and a Ph.D. in Plasma Physics  in
1981,  also at Davis.  His thesis was on confinement of a  plasma
of  very energetic ions and cold electrons using strong  magnetic
fields for the purposes of controlled nuclear fusion.  During his
graduate  studies  Dr. Brandenburg held a working  fellowship  at
Lawrence  Livermore National Laboratory and pursued  research  in
the area of controlled fusion.  On receiving his Ph.D., he became
a  staff physicist at Sandia National Laboratories,  Albuquerque,
New Mexico.  There he performed research on controlled fusion and
electron  beam  weapons.  He left Sandia in 1984  to  assume  his
present position.  His current work involves both directed energy
weapons and space defense problems.
     Dr.  Brandenburg has been involved in investigations of  the
Face on Mars and other Martian objects since 1984.  Together with
Vincent  DiPietro and Gregory Molenaar, the two pioneers in  this
area,  he is a member of the organization Mars Research and is  a
co-author  of Unusual Martian Surface Features Edition  IV.  John
Brandenburg    became    interested   in   space    travel    and
extraterrestrial  life  at an early age.  He joined  MUFON  as  a
Consultant  in Plasma Physics and is the author of  the  "Rainbow
Declaration,"  a statement of principles to govern the  relations
of peoples of different worlds.  He was a featured speaker at the
MUFON 1989 International UFO Symposium in Las Vegas, NV where  he
presented a paper titled "The Cydonian Hypothesis."
     Dr.  Brandenburg  may  be contacted  at  4732  Rouge  Court,
Alexandria, VA 22312.

     THE RAINBOW DECLARATION AND HUMAN DESTINY IN THE COSMOS

                  By John E. Brandenburg, Ph.D.


                           ABSTRACT

     In  this paper I will talk about the destiny of humanity  in
the  Cosmos as it is now unfolding before us.  I will  also  talk
about  the  Rainbow  Declaration, which is my  attempt  to  bring
together  what is good and precious form the human heritage  with
what we now know of the Cosmos, to the end that humanity's future
will  be  good  and  it will  achieve  its  appropriate  destiny.
However, this paper is really about knowledge and dialogue.


I.  INTRODUCTION:  STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

I Corinthians 13: 9-12

     "For we know in part and we prophesy in part.  But when that
which  is  perfect is come, then that which is in part  shall  be
done away.  When I was a child, I thought as a child: but when  I
became  a  man,  I  put away childish things.   For  now  we  see
through  a  glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I  know  in
part; but then I shall know even as also I am known."
     When  we  speak of knowledge and the human  future,  we  are
speaking  of the increase of knowledge.  In the future,  humanity
will know much more than it knows now.  It will go places it  has
never  been, do and feel things it has never before  experienced.
Every  important aspect of this knowledge will be to  learn  more
about  the other peoples with whom we share the Cosmos.  Part  of
that process of learning is going on now.  However, this is not a
scientific investigation like any other we humans have done.   It
is not like studying the motion of bacteria in a test tube; it is
a dialogue.
      A  dialogue  is what occurs between two  or  more  sentient
beings; it is basically an exchange of information.  Humanity  is
probably  now  engaged  in a dialogue  with  peoples  from  other
planets that orbit other stars.  This dialogue has its origins in
the  distant past, but it seems to have only begun in earnest  in
the  last fifty years.  Many species seem to have been  involved,
but  only a few species seem to be playing an  active  continuing
role in the present course for this dialogue.  We know  something
of  this  dialogue,  which appears to be  between  primarily  our
government and the extraterrestrials.  What is reported from this
dialogue  will be discussed in this paper; however, the  reported
dialogue  will  also  be used to help create a  vision  of  human
destiny in the Cosmos.
     It  was  the consistent theme of the  popular  series,  Star
Trek,  that the human race would become a great  and  enlightened
power  in  the Cosmos and be joined in partnership  with  peoples
kindred to humanity.  This partnership, known as the  Federation,
was  made up of interstellar powers more or less in agreement  on
the ideals of democracy, freedom, and dignity of the  individual,
reverence   for  life  and  even  reverence  to  God.   In   this
Federation,  the  idea of separate species  of  intelligence  was
occasionally  transcended so that beings looked on each other  as
kindred despite their differing biological form.
     An equally hopeful, but somewhat darker and more mysterious,
vision of the human future was seen in Star Wars.  In this vision
the  humans  had created an Evil Empire and against  it  a  Rebel
Alliance   composed   of  humans  and   other   species   battled
desperately.   The theme of Star Wars was hope and  the  struggle
between  good  and evil on both physical and moral  planes,  with
good  being aided by the Force.  So there exist different  vision
of the future.
     It  is my belief that something more like the world of  Star
Trek  will  be  the ultimate destiny of humanity  and  that  this
destiny  is  something that we should strive for.  But  how  will
such  a  destiny  be  accomplished?   Can  we  avoid  Star   Wars
completely or is it also prophetic?  In particular, how will  our
interaction,  our  dialogue, with more  technologically  advanced
peoples  of  the  Cosmos, who are  already  starfaring  and  have
reportedly  already  arrived here, affect us and  how  will  this
shape our destiny?  Is our destiny Star Wars or Star Trek.
     Humanity  is  reportedly  now engaged  in  a  dialogue  with
extraterrestrial  peoples.  Ufology exists because of a state  of
honest  ignorance  of this dialogue on the part  of  the  public.
Honest  ignorance  can  be  defined  as  a  recognized  lack   of
knowledge.  The ufology movement is a brave vanguard of  humanity
that admits its ignorance of the Cosmos and those who dwell in it
and  seeks  to  erase this ignorance.  Because of  this  we  know
Ufology  will one day cease to exist in its present form  because
of  new knowledge that will appear.  Those in Ufology  are  brave
not  only because they risk ridicule from those who cling to  the
everyday, but because this is the real Cosmos we live in -- not a
fairy  tale -- and some pieces of knowledge we will gain  we  may
wish  we  did  no  know.  But learning  unpleasant  truths  is  a
essential part of maturing.  If you turn away some truths because
you  cannot bear them,  you can never really grow up.  But we  in
Ufology are determined to grow and mature and know.
     Knowledge   is  power,  knowledge  confers  authority,   and
knowledge confers responsibility.  For these reasons, governments
often  guard  certain  knowledges carefully.   One  of  the  most
important  concepts in our government's classification system  to
safeguard secrets is the concept of "need to know."   Authorities
decide  what must be done in a situation and who must do  it  and
then  portion out, ideally, only those knowledges to each  person
that  are  necessary  for them to do their  job.   Usually,  such
secrecy  and  portioning out of knowledge  occurs  in  situations
thought  to  gravely impact our nation's security  and  defenses.
The authority given the government to restrict certain  knowledge
is a sacred trust that derives from its duty to defend us.   But,
if    the    government   is   concealing   a    dialogue    with
extraterrestrials,  is it defending us from the knowledge of  the
E.T.'s  existence, or is this secrecy only part of an  effort  to
defend  us from some subgroup of the E.T.s themselves?   I  think
the  answer  is  some  of  both,  but  is  this  consistent  with
democracy?

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 454

                           Thursday, August 15th 1991

Today's Topics:

                           Rainbow Declaration, Part 2
                           Rainbow Declaration, Part 3
                           Rainbow Declaration, Part 4
                           Rainbow Declaration, Part 5

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From: [e-mail] (sm)
Subject: Rainbow Declaration, Part 2
Date: 14 Aug 91 14:52:00 GMT

<Continued from previous message>

     In  a  democracy  the  people rule  and  in  order  to  rule
effectively they seek knowledge, and they seek the responsibility
that  goes  with  that  knowledge.   In  doing  this,  they  seek
responsibility for their own destiny.
     It is wholly right that you in Ufology should seek knowledge
of  this matter.  Humanity's dialogue with the  extraterrestrials
is  a grave matter, a matter that concerns all humanity and  will
affect  the destiny of humanity.  You have a "need to know."   In
one sense the Ufology movement is part of the effort of  humanity
to  gain transcendent knowledge. However, in another sense,  your
efforts to gain knowledge, and the responsibility that goes  with
it,  is an effort to gain control of part of your lives and  your
children's  lives  and  the  destiny of  your  people.   This  is
especially   true  since  reports  of  deep   and   long-standing
government involvement in this dialogue have come out.   However,
Ufology  has  succeeded  to a degree in  entering  this  dialogue
between humanity and the extraterrestrials.
     Ufology is a player, I would argue, in the reported dialogue
between  humanity  and  the  extraterrestrials.   The  government
apparently is keeping much of this dialogue to itself.   However,
it   is  also  actively  sharing  information,  sometimes  in   a
deliberately garbled form, but information nonetheless.  Some  of
this sharing of knowledge seems to come from the individual human
need  to confide with others.  Some of this knowledge appears  to
have   been  released  as  a  result  of  decisions   by   higher
authorities to create an informed constituency among the public.
The  cultivation  of  the Ufology  movement's  knowledge  by  the
government represents, in my view, a crude form of democracy.
     In  this strange experiment in government,  the  authorities
have created a public hearing of sorts where unofficial news  and
views  are  aired  and  reactions  considered.   Ufology  is  the
multitude  who  have  showed up for  this  quasi-public  hearing.
However,  the  officials who have called this gathering  are  not
available to answer questions.  But, I think, the government pays
attention  to  Ufology's internal debates and  responses  to  the
government sponsored leaks.
     No  dialogue is one way, even if one side tries to  make  it
one  way.  A dialogue always affects both parties, even  if  only
one side is speaking.  The act of giving information to one  whom
you  know will receive it involves you with that person  or  that
people.   If a dialogue goes on long enough, information will  be
revealed  inadvertently  and  pretense  is  harder  to  maintain.
Ufology has not been a passive partner in this dialogue with  the
government.  Ufology is speaking and will continue to speak,  and
the government, even if it gives appearances of stopping its ears,
is actually listening.
     Therefore,  all of you in Ufology should consider  that  you
are part of a dialogue with the government.
     This  is not the only dialogue going of which Ufology  is  a
part.    Ufology   is   actually   in   a   dialogue   with   the
extraterrestrials through abductees and contactees.  As with  the
government,  not  all  information is very reliable,  but  it  is
information.   It  is possible, in fact,  that  extraterrestrials
monitor the reaction of the Ufology movement to gain some insight
into  humanity  in  general.  Therefore, all of  you  in  Ufology
should  consider  yourselves  as part of  a  dialogue  that  will
influence human destiny in the Cosmos.
     In  the  remainder of this paper I will discuss  three  main
points:
     (1)   It is the destiny of humanity to take its place  among
the  stars as an equal with its kindred people among  the  stars.
In  discussing  this, I will discuss the nature and  heritage  of
humanity.
     (2)  The cradle of humanity, the Earth, with its nations and
history,  is  a  microcosm  of the Cosmos  and  its  peoples  and
history.   I  will discuss how this concept is  derived  and  its
meaning  to  Ufology.  I will also,  unfortunately,  discuss  the
first problem in the present that can be addressed by this model:
The   apparent  threat  posed  to  humanity  by  one   group   of
extraterrestrials, "the grays" or Reticulians and their allies.
     (3)   Humanity should adopt the Rainbow Declaration or  some
similar set of principles as its ideal and in doing so will begin
the journey to its destiny on the right Way, the Way of truth and
light.  (Reference 1)

II.  HUMANITY AS A SUPERTERRESTRIAL PHENOMENON

PSALMS 8: 3-6

     "When  I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers,  the
moon and stars which thou hast ordained;
     What  is man, that thou are mindful of him, the son of  man,
that  thou visitest him?  For thou hast made him a  little  lower
than the angels and hast crowned him with glory and honor.
     Thou  madest  him to have dominion over the  works  of  they
hands; thou has put all things under his feet....."

      In  order  to  understand  human  destiny  one  must  first
understand  the nature and origins of humanity.  Humanity is  not
just  flesh and blood; it is partly supernatural; it is  also  the
collective mind, dreams and cultural heritage of the human  race.
Physically  we  have changed little since the stone age,  but  in
knowledge and technological ability we have changed enormously.
     We  are  a young race, just getting started.   Our  earliest
civilization dates roughly from the Tigris-Euphrates Valley  6000
years ago. (Reference 2)  In that 6000 years we have expanded and
filled  the  Earth, our flesh and blood has stood  on  the  lunar
surface  and returned six times.  Our probes have landed on  Mars
and  Venus.  We, by proxy of similar probes, have  visited  every
major body in the solar system from Mercury to Neptune.  Four  of
these probes have now escaped the solar system and the gravity of
the  Sun and are on interstellar missions.  So a little  part  of
you, the work of your hands, is now on its way to the stars.
     Six  thousand years is roughly 300 human generations  of  20
years or 100 human lifetimes of 60 years.  So this is perhaps not
even  a long time in human terms, but it is the twinkling  of  an
eye in terms of the age of the Earth or even the living things on
the Earth.  You humans, all in all, have done magnificently.
     How  did you do it?  Did anyone help you?  Let  us  consider
what  is widely reported.  In Ufology, as in many other areas  of
life,  information consists of what is reported to us by  others,
hopefully  we can verify some of what is reported, but  often  we
must simply consider the report and decide for ourselves  whether
of not we believe it.
     It  is  widely reported that humanity came into being  as  a
result of profound and continuing contact between the human  race
an an unimaginably powerful extraterrestrial being.  This  being,
or  First  E.T.,  is called in our language,  God.   I  know  and
respect  the  fact  that  there are  many  accounts,  all  subtly
different,  of this contact, but I will chiefly consult the  only
account I know well, and this account is called the Bible.
     In this account, the First E.T. is reported to have been  of
staggering  and all encompassing power but was at the  same  time
compassionate  towards  humanity and controlled in  his  dealings
with  them.  He is reported to be the creator of the  Cosmos  and
therefore  extracosmic  in addition  to  being  extraterrestrial,
having created both heavens and the earth and all they contain.
     It  is reportedly from God that humans first received  their
concepts of law and human identity and their place in the  scheme
of things.  I would claim this contact has continually linked our
ideas of what was good and pure and truthful to the heavens.   It
is because of this contact that we long to reach out to the stars
and those who live there.
     It is in this record of contact with the First E.T. that  we
first  encounter  the  human  concept  of  universal  laws,  both
physical and moral, and these are also associated with the stars.
     PSALMS,  19:1-3  "The Heavens declare the glory of  God  and
the  firmament  showeth his handy work.  Day  unto  day  uttereth
speech  and  night  showth  knowledge.  There  is  no  speech  or
language, where their voice is not heard."
     We also learned that there was more to reality than what  is
seen.
     HEBREWS, 11:1-3  "Now faith is the substance of things hoped
for,  the  evidence  of things not seen.  For by  it  the  elders
obtained  a  good report.  Through faith we understand  that  the
worlds  were formed by the word of God so that things  which  are
seen are not made of thing which do appear."

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Date: 14 Aug 91 14:53:00 GMT

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     We are familiar, in our modern age, of laws of physics being
universal.   Our  sciences  had their origins  in  astronomy  and
astrology.  But from our accounts of contact with the First E.T.,
we also are informed that there are universal moral laws as  well
as physical ones that apply on all worlds.
     It  is  also from this record that we  encounter  our  first
recognition and warning concerning the dark side of human nature:
     GENESIS,  6:5  "And God saw that the wickedness of  man  was
great in the Earth and that every imagination of the thoughts  of
his  heart  was only evil continually..."  The human race  is  an
aggressive,  predatory  and vigorous species.   It  requires  the
maximum  effort  of our intellect and compassion to  control  our
instincts  to violence and war; sometimes, perhaps  often  times,
these  are  not  enough.   However, the  First  E.T.  has  always
encouraged us to be a people of compassion and intellect.
     Curiously,  it  is form this same record of the  first  E.T.
contact  with  humanity  that  we  find  reports  of  a  possible
visitation of Earth by flesh and blood extraterrestrials.   These
E.T.s  were not only flesh and blood, but could have children  by
earth  women,  indicating they were probably  extremely  humanoid
since  they  were  attracted to Earth women  and  saw  they  were
beautiful.  Mention of this is made in Genesis 6:4.
     This  was  apparently  one  of  many  things  that  God  saw
happening  on Earth that displeased Him.  Perhaps even "the  last
straw,"  for  it  is written that He unleashed  the  great  flood
shortly after this.  The flood, that primal human catastrophe, is
recorded in the legends of almost every people on Earth and wiped
out most of humanity, including, we can infer, those offspring of
flesh and blood E.T.s.  It is written, God started over with what
was left.
     Other  than  this possible mention of flesh  and  blood  E.T.
contact  before  the  flood  in the  Bible,  which  may  also  be
mentioned  in many mythologies, I have seen no credible  evidence
of  any  overt  or historical record dating  back  to  1000  B.C.
Geologically,  the origin of homo sapiens is sudden, but  it  has
been  found  that all distinct species seem to  appear  suddenly.
This is called "punctuated equilibrium" in evolutionary  biology.
(Reference 3)
     Other  than  reportings of sightings of strange  craft  that
occasionally  appear  in  the historical record, I  can  find  no
evidence of influence by flesh and blood E.T.s on any  historical
events.  What does show up is a tradition and folklore concerning
goblins  stealing children, tales of fairies, leprechauns,  elves
and  spirits.  This tradition may indicate some E.T.  contact  on
the  fringe of human social awareness, as has been  suggested  by
Whitley Streiber.  (Reference 4)  I think, also, it reflects to a
much larger extent, human imagination and love of story  telling.
These  strange  accounts also include other things which  may  be
purely  terrestrial  but  not really part of a  reality  that  we
understand.
     Though  the records of events before the primal  catastrophe
of  the  Flood are difficult to understand, it  remains  the  one
significant  human event that may have involved flesh and  blood
E.T. contact.
     It  is  worth  noting  that the  record  implies  that  this
contact,  along  with many other things purely  terrestrial,  had
disastrous consequences for the human race because of the  manner
in which the contact was made.  It is written in Genesis 6:2:
     "The  sons and daughters saw the daughters of men that  they
were  very  fair,  and they took them wives  of  all  which  they
chose..."
     This  record implies that these unions were dictated by  the
"Sons  of God", a term used sometimes to mean angel, and  not  by
choice  to  the  Earth women.  These  reported  events,  and  the
juxtaposition  with  the Flood and God's displeasure,  should  be
remembered as we consider reports of what is occurring in our own
time.   It also must be remembered that according to the  account
of  the contact with the First E.T. in the Bible, evil is  not  a
terrestrial  invention; it was present in the Cosmos eons  before
the first human being.
     The Bible and other religious records of Earth, record  that
both good and evil are not purely terrestrial phenomenon.  Ananda
Sirisena  has  pointed out in a two-part article in  the  British
journal  Beyond  Science (now defunct)  that the  holy  books  of
Buddhism  remark  that sense-desire, which is the source  of  all
unhappiness, is to be found throughout the Cosmos.  (Reference 5)
In the Bible, it is written in Job, 15:15
     "The heavens are not clean in His sight."
     It is also written in Revelations 12:7-9 that there was  war
in  heaven between the Archangel Michael and his angels, and  the
Devil  and his angels.  These are only two of many  examples  one
could name.  In general, the records of our reported contact with
the  First E.T. report repeatedly that the Cosmos,  both  visible
and  invisible,  is full of good and evil and that  these  forces
struggle   against   one  another,  Earth  being   an   important
battleground of this Cosmic struggle.
     This  brings us to the second widely reported  E.T.  contact
that  has  influenced  Earth.   This being  is  known  as  Satan,
Lucifer, or the Devil.  Like the first E.T., he is reported to be
non-corporeal.  However, he is reported to be a created being and
part  of the Cosmos whereas God is the Creator.  His  powers  and
intellect  are reported to be unimaginably great in  human  terms
but,  like  ours, insignificant compared to God's.   It  is  also
reported  that  despite his intellectual powers, he  often  makes
mistakes  that are apparent even to humans.  His  first  reported
error  was  to try and stage an unsuccessful revolt  against  his
Creator.
     Most  of  what we know about the Second E.T.,  Satan,  comes
from information reported to be from the First E.T.  This  record
allows  us  to  make  a vivid  comparison  between  them  in  two
important  areas:  One, dialogue with humans; The First  E.T.  is
recorded  to  be  always truthful, though he  seldom  shows  more
knowledge than is required.  In contrast, the Second E.T., Satan,
is  reported  to  be a compulsive liar and  virtual  inventor  of
treachery.   It is reported he often claims to be the First  E.T.
and  often  traps  victims  with  empty  promises  of   forbidden
knowledge  and technology.  Second, relationship  with  humanity;
the First E.T. is widely reported to love the human race and  all
other  peoples  of  the  Cosmos as if  they  were  his  children.
However,  he  is  also reported to hold us  responsible  for  our
actions, which  knowing the human race, means we occasionally are
at  odds.   The  Second E.T., Satan, is reported  to  be  utterly
contemptuous  and  hateful towards humans, especially  those  who
serve  him.   His hostility is constant, though  often  expressed
through  treachery and attempts to corrupt, rather  than  through
open warfare.
     It  is  reported that though the Devil  hates  humanity  and
wishes  to  destroy us, he cannot attack openly  because  of  the
presence  of the First E.T.  Therefore, we learn that absence  of
open attack does not always mean absence of mortal hostility.  It
merely means that the Cosmos is not simple, and that many factors
constrain the action of its inhabitants.
     Humanity is thus not a purely terrestrial phenomenon.   Even
our science is full of knowledge known first from observation  of
the stars.  If the record of our contract with the First E.T. are
believed, humanity is the product of influences that are not only
extraterrestrial but extracosmic, that is, transcending even  the
stars.  If these reported contacts with God are correct, and many
believe  they  are, then humanity knows these things  because  it
knows  the Being who made the Cosmos and its  peoples,  including
ourselves.  Humanity, and by this, I mean the readers themselves,
are possessors of Cosmic knowledge, but they do not know it  yet.
However, to know something of humanity one must understand that a
part  of humanity, like its Creator, is extremely mysterious  and
some of it is unknowable.
     To know something of humanity is to know of its mystery  and
its  magic.   There is a part of humanity that only  God  himself
understands.  I speak here of a whole category of phenomenon with
the inadequate terms "parapsychological" and "spiritual" --  that
part of ourselves that is manifest in religion, and yet seems  to
exist  apart from it.  One aspect of this was termed by  Jung  as
the  collective unconscious.  (Reference 6)  This is the part  of
humanity  that  seems  to guarantee that no  knowledge  can  ever
remain  isolated in one portion of the human race, even  if  they
never tell anyone of it.  Another can be called human  prescience
--  that human capacity to write or speak of events still far  in
the  future with uncanny accuracy, science fiction being  a  vast
upwelling  of  this human phenomenon.   No  statement  describing
humanity  could  be complete without referring to  this  part  of
humanity which is mysterious and difficult to describe.
     Therefore, you should respect yourself and your people.  You
know  more about the Cosmos than you realize.  You  are  stronger
and  more marvelous than you know.  You should not  be  arrogant,
but  you should be proud.  You lack knowledge, but you are  eager
to  learn.  You are small now but you are going to  become  great
and  "becoming  is  superior  to being."  You  are  a  young  and
vigorous  people, just off the train and in the big city for  the
first time, bent on finding your fortune.  So now that we have an
image  of humanity as it was formed and is, we can speak  of  the
destiny of humanity in the Cosmos.

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Subject: Rainbow Declaration, Part 4
Date: 14 Aug 91 14:54:00 GMT

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                     THE DESTINY OF HUMANITY

     Hints of what our destiny will be are contained, I  believe,
in  the record of our contact with the First E.T. who pointed  us
to  our goal.  He said in paraphrase, "someday if you follow  the
Way I have shown you, you can join me in the heavens of which the
stars are but a shadow."  God, in fact, showed Abraham the  stars
and said in Genesis 15:5:
     "And He brought him forth abroad, and said, look now towards
heaven  and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them.   And
he said, so shall thy seed be."
     There is also another hint, for Jesus told his disciples  in
Mark 16:15,
     "Go  ye  unto all the world and preach the gospel  to  every
creature."
     For  in  the original Greek, the word for world  is  Cosmos,
(Reference  7)  meaning  the  whole  world,  the  whole   ordered
universe.
     I know in myself, that humanity is going into space  because
it yearns to do so.  The goal of its yearning is not just to  see
strange new worlds; it is to have fellowship with the peoples who
dwell  amid the stars and share truth with them.  In a  sense  we
are  going into confirm truths that we already believe.  That  is
part  of the reason that Ufology exists, not just because  people
in  Ufology are curious or concerned but also because we seek  to
be part of that dialogue.
     We have, on good account, that such a dialogue is  possible,
as recorded in Timothy Good's book Above Top Secret.  There is an
account  of  Sid  Padrick's experience  (Reference  8)  where  he
encountered  startlingly  humanoid  beings  who  were  kind   and
respectful  and  who  invited  him  to  pray  to  God  in   their
"consultation room."  They said they worshipped the same  Supreme
Being   we  did.   This  reported  encounter,   whose   positive,
respectful  character is such a stark contrast to  most  reported
encounters,  give us hope that we will find what we seek  in  the
stars.  But you must realize we inhabit a star already.
     Our  star,  Sol, the Sun, is a beautiful  golden  star  form
afar.   Around it orbits a beautiful blue-white star of a  planet
called  Earth, for that is what our planet looks like form  afar.
Venus, Jupiter, and Mars are beautiful form Earth, but I tell you
when you see the Earth someday from the surface of Mars you  will
understand  that  the Earth is the most beautiful  planet  in  the
solar  system,  or  even in a hundred  solar  systems.   That  is
partly why other peoples have come here.
     So  I will tell you I believe it is the destiny of  humanity
to  go out into the stars and become a great nation and find  its
place  among the stars and among the great nations that dwell  in
the  stars;  nations  whose people believe in  God  and  justice,
equality,  and  good will as we do, and who, when they  read  our
Bible  or the Declaration of Independence, will rejoice that  the
same  truths  they  know are known elsewhere and  from  the  same
source.

III  DYNAMICS BETWEEN PEOPLES IN THE COSMOS

     We have now discussed humanity and its destiny, but how will
our  destiny  be shaped by those peoples with whom we  share  the
Cosmos?  In particular, is there some model or broad guideline to
consult to understand the dynamics of politics between nations or
peoples who have their genesis in different star systems?  We can
come  up with a rough model by assuming that the laws of  physics
and  biology are the same everywhere in the Cosmos.  Once such  a
model  of  cosmic  politics  is formed,  it  can  be  applied  to
understand and predict the interactions between humanity and  its
fellow cosmic peoples.
     A model of cosmic politics can be derived form biology.   We
must assume that the laws of biology are universal, so that  they
are  the same on all worlds, like the laws of physics.  Since  we
know  about the laws determining biology on Earth, we would  then
know  about  biology laws on all worlds.  We  must,  of  course,
recognize  from  the  outset  that  we  can  only  gain  a  rough
understanding at best using this method, but we must have a model
and  we  must  begin  somewhere.   So,  we  look  for  basic  and
fundamental  laws rather than detailed ones.  We will  thus  look
for  laws the describe forests rather than trees.  Once  we  have
identified fundamental biological laws, we then try to find  laws
of politics on Earth that can be derived from them.  We will then
have a rough model.
     The first law of biology can be called "the survival of  the
fittest."   This means that all life is essentially  competitive.
This means those who are more intelligent, faster, stronger, more
diligent,  more  fertile, more efficient, and more  prudent  will
eventually dominate over those who have less of these  qualities.
This seems a harsh law of nature, but in some ways it is actually
kind.   In  any  case, nature is not often known to  be  kind  or
gentle.
     One impact of the first law of biology is that  intelligence
is  favored in predators. On Earth, predators are generally  more
intelligent   than their prey.  They must be or their  prey  will
outwit  them and the predators will not eat.  The octopus is  the
most  intelligent  of  all  invertebrates  and  it  is  a  fierce
predator.  The killer whale is believed to be the smartest of the
whales and it is a vicious killer of other whales.
     The  Chimpanzee is the second smartest land animal, and  its
capacity for mayhem against other species and even other  chimps,
rivals  our own. (Reference 9)  Curiously, researchers were  slow
to recognize how murderous chimps were to each other --  fighting
between tribes and occasionally killing their own young.  Perhaps
the researchers did not want to believe the chimps were as  prone
to violence as we are.  Even when researchers found out the harsh
facts  about internal wars between chimps they were reluctant  to
report  it.  They  feared  it would horrify  people  and  dry  up
research funding.  People were not horrified; however, they  were
enlightened, and chimpanzee research in the wild continues.   The
truth  makes chimps all the more fascinating and useful to  study
if human violence is to be understood and controlled.
     Another  example  of  the correlation  of  intelligence  and
predatory  behavior is the line of dinosaurs that appeared to  be
evolving   towards  something  resembling  humanoids  before   an
extraterrestrial event wiped them out.  (Reference 10)
     It is now believed that a line of small predator  dinosaurs,
roughly  resembling  miniature  Tyrannosaurus  Rexs,  would  have
developed  into a humanoid intelligence.  They stood on two  feet
and  several species had achieved brain to body  sizes  exceeding
all other dinosaurs and even mammals then existing.  However, the
impact of a massive asteroid, a clear sign this planet's  history
has  witnessed  extraterrestrial  intervention,  devastated   the
planet and cleared the Way for humanity.
     Human  beings are predatory.  Humanity began as hunters  and
gatherers  but  hunting  behavior  did  not  cease  when   humans
discovered agriculture -- it merely changed.  The  archaeological
record  shows that organized warfare began almost  simultaneously
with  agriculture.   (Reference  11)   Historically,  tribes  and
nations have fought wars and struggled for dominance as a form of
biological  competition.   The  apparent victory  of  the  United
States  in the Cold War is demonstration that democracy and  free
enterprise, while not without their faults, have become dominant,
because  they are better and more efficient in the long  run,  or
even  the  short  run, than despotism and Marxism.   So  our  own
violent  history,  which despite its violence  has  produced  the
triumph of liberty and humanity, can be understood as a vast game
of  survival of the fittest among groups of rather predatory  and
aggressive beings.  But there is another law of biology that also
played a profound role in this and which we must also factor into
our cosmic political model.
     The  second  law of Biology is roughly "the sum  is  greater
than  the parts."  Or stated differently, in cooperation  and  in
unity,  there  is strength.  One human cell alone will  die;  one
trillion  human cells bound together, each doing its  part,  will
thrive  and  triumph.  So one human can do little,  but  a  large
number can move the Earth and someday change the course of stars.
This  second law, that cooperation leads to success, is seen  not
only in biology but in human politics and history.

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Subject: Rainbow Declaration, Part 5
Date: 14 Aug 91 14:54:00 GMT

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     Together  these  two  laws and  the  tension  between  them,
competition,  and cooperation, apply to and shape intelligent  and
primitive  life.   Nations  are  predatory  and  competitive  and
nations that are most competitive and aggressive tend to  produce
the  most  works of intelligence and technology such as  our  own
nation  and Great Britain.  Truly, United peoples and nation  are
much stronger and efficient than individuals or isolated nations.
That is why the most powerful nation on this planet is called the
United  States.  Moreover, the United States is great because  it
has cooperated with like minded nations rather than trying to prey
on  them.  So in the United States, the first nation  of  Earth,
this is a sacred trust and responsibility to humanity -- not just
a  privilege.   It  is through unity  and  cooperation  that  the
nations of the Earth must face the Cosmos.
     So  we  have two fundamental laws of  biology  which  should
apply everywhere in the Cosmos and which profoundly influence the
politics of human beings.  So these laws should shape politics on
other  worlds  as  well, and this means  other  worldly  politics
should resemble our own.  We thus have arrived at a model  called
Mediocrity, that is already known.
     The  principle of mediocrity states that the Earth  and  its
inhabitants  are  a representative sample of the Cosmos  and  its
inhabitants.   (Reference   12)   This  principle   states   that
intelligent  life elsewhere should be quite similar  to  Earth's.
Similarly  it  means  that even politics and  history  should  be
similar.  This is the exact same model we arrived at by  assuming
biological laws were the same on all worlds and that politics was
an extension of biology.  The principle of mediocrity is the same
concept, but arrived a differently.
     The  cosmic  politics  model  was  arrived  at  by  assuming
biological laws were the same on all worlds and that politics was
an extension of biology.  The principle of mediocrity is the same
concept,  but  arrived at differently.  Its  approach  is  simply
statistical; it assumes Earth and its inhabitants are the results
of  probability and are part of a distribution of possible  world
situations, constrained by universal laws of physics.  The  Earth
we know is one random sample of many worlds, so it is most likely
that  it is typical rather than abnormal.  Like  all  statistical
laws, it is a warning to would-be gamblers rather than advice  on
how  to  bet the farm.  However,  our  universal.,l,  biological,
political  saw,  arguments, and mediocrity lead us  to  the  same
concept:   Earth and its peoples and history are a  microcosm  of
the Cosmos and its peoples and history.  The Earth is the  Cosmos
seen  through a glass darkly, not reliable in detail but  roughly
true.  This means we all know much more about the Cosmos than  we
realize, simply because we have lived on Earth.
     We have arrived at a model for understanding and  predicting
the  dynamics and politics between humanity and other peoples  in
the  Cosmos and between other people apart from  humanity.   This
model is called the Human Historical Model of Cosmos Politics  or
the Human Historical Model.
     The  Earth  is an allegory of the Cosmos  and  an  analogue.
This means the wisdom of Earth gained by our ancient forbears and
written  in  the holy books of Earth, will guide us  in  our  new
journey in the Cosmos.  For in some ways, humanity was wiser when
it knew less, but that wisdom is not lost to us now if we see its
worth.  So,  we  would look to the old as well  as  the  new  for
counsel as we confront the Cosmos.

                   THE HUMAN HISTORICAL MODEL

     The  Human  Historical Model or, HHM as it  will  be  called
henceforth,  simply states that interactions between  people  and
nation  states in the Cosmos will resemble  interactions  between
nations in human history.  The HHM is a tool for interpreting the
behavior of extraterrestrials; it says that if  extraterrestrials
exhibit certain behavior either singly or collectively, then  one
should  look  for an analogous human or human  nation's  behavior
either  in  the present or in the historical record.   The  human
historical record is long, and its tribes and nations are myriad.
This  means  we  have  a vast  supply  of  analogous  models  and
situations on which to draw.  However, we should always  remember
that  the  model  is  a rough one and  not  reliable  in  detail.
Neither is the HHM a substitute for hard investigative work,  any
more than Einstein's theory of relativity is a substitute for the
Super Collider.
     The HHM is a simple idea, but it does not suggest the Cosmos
and  its people are simple or mundane.  Rather, it  suggests  the
Cosmos  and  its people should be like Earth's  people,  complex,
finely textured, full of intrigue and secrets and like the  Earth
full  of the strange and exotic.  In fact, the HHM suggests  that
people of the Cosmos, beyond adherence to basic laws of  biology,
will  be very strange, exotic, and very interesting.   The  first
rule  for  dealing with the Cosmos according to the HHM  is  that
high  weirdness  is to be expected in the Cosmos  because  it  is
found on Earth.  Whenever intelligence is involved, possibilities
become myriad.
     Other things can be expected from people in the Cosmos.  One
thing  that  can  be  expected  is  a  desire  for  contact   and
communication.   Many  Cosmic people will be drawn to  us  simply
because  of a compulsion or yearning to communicate.  This  is  a
human  trait and it is also biologically  motivated;  cooperation
requires  communication.   So, attempts at friendly  contact  and
communication  or dialogue, even if only rudimentary ones,  would
be  expected  under the HHM.  A related behavior  would  also  be
expected.
     Display is a form of communication or dialogue that is  very
common  in nature.  Everything form puffer fish, to peacocks,  to
cobras  and  humans resort to display.  It is nonverbal  form  of
communication  and  so  is limited in  its  information  content;
however,  it  is usually easy to understand  its  basic  meaning.
Since it is nonverbal, it does not require a common language  and
thus  is often the first form of communication initiated  between
different peoples in Earthly tradition.  Everything from  parades
in  Red  Square to a baby crawling into the center  of  a  family
gathering  is a form of display.  Often, its basic messages  are,
"look  what I can do," "or look at who I am."  Since  humans  are
the  Earth's premier show offs, followed closely by dolphins,  we
would  expect,  under the HHM, that people at  the  Cosmos  would
exhibit a great deal of display behavior to each other especially
at  initial  contact, before verbal contact can  be  established.
Display is an attempt to initiate dialogue.  In most  situations,
this is very friendly, and I will discuss this shortly.
     Struggles for dominance are universal among species on Earth
and  especially  among  social groups within species.   It  is  a
manifestation of competition with usually the dominant individual
or group getting the best resources and the most opportunities to
reproduce  and  pass on its genes.  There  are  "pecking  orders"
within social groups, even among like water, runs down hill  from
the most dominant to the most subordinate.  This occurs in  small
human groups, among groups in society, and finally among nations.
     Struggles for dominance occur between species also.   Chimps
and  baboons  share watering holes in some areas  of  Africa  and
chimps usually seem to dominate.  Anyone who has owned a dog or a
cat knows struggles for power can occur between humans and  other
intelligent species.  So we would expect struggles for  dominance
between  peoples  in the Cosmos.  These might begin  even  before
verbal  communication  could be initiated and would  consist,  in
mildest form, of military demonstrations of power or hardware and
highly  aggressive displays.  These would be equivalent  to  U.S.
and  Russian  destroyers playing "chicken" on the  high  seas  or
firing  flares  or weak (non lethal) laser beams at  each  other.
So,  struggles  for  dominance, power  politics,  seen  on  Earth
between  nations,  should  be expected  between  peoples  in  the
Cosmos.    As  on  Earth,  this  can  lead  to  either   friendly
competition in science and culture or to great tragedy.
     Based  on the HHM we would expect peoples in the  Cosmos  to
move toward a higher technological advancement.  As on Earth,  we
would expect this to be driven by military competition as well as
by   desire  for  scientific  knowledge.   Humans   are   social,
intelligent,  predatory, and technological and they  have  become
spacefaring.  We intend to become better people in the Cosmos  to
become  spacefaring.  If they have a big head start,  they  might
already be here.

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 455

                           Thursday, August 15th 1991

Today's Topics:

                           Rainbow Declaration, Part 6
                           Rainbow Declaration, Part 7
                           Rainbow Declaration, Part 8
                           Rainbow Declaration, Part 9

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Subject: Rainbow Declaration, Part 6
Date: 14 Aug 91 14:55:00 GMT

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                    ENCOUNTERS IN THE COSMOS

     The  HHM would say that encounters between E.T. nations  and
Earth  nations  are similar to encounters between  less  advanced
nations and European explorers and exploiters.
     Generally, the more advanced and organized the less advanced
nation was, the better it fared.
     Example:  Japan  was  politically united,  and  on  its  own
islands,  militarily  fearsome, despite having  lower  technology
than  the  Europeans.  However, faced with a massive  display  of
American naval power (the ships were carefully painted white  and
black to look impressive), the Japanese government agreed to open
up  for  trade  and diplomatic relations.  (Reference  13)   They
reorganized  their  society  and held  the  Americans  and  other
foreigners  at bay militarily, thus preserving their  sovereignty
while  most  other  small  Asian nations  are  conquered  by  the
Europeans.  They adopted Western technology and finally became  a
great power.  This did not prevent them from getting into trouble
later,  but  they  did very well  during  the  European  Colonial
period.
     The American Indians present a tragic counter example.  They
were politically disunited, had no concept of the world view  and
ambitions  of  the  Europeans  and  were  technically   backward.
However,  it was not lack of technology that caused them to  lose
their  land;  it was a lack of comprehension of the  threat  they
faced.   If  they  had  known what  they  were  facing  from  the
beginning,  they  could have swept the Europeans  into  the  sea.
Instead, they lost almost everything, land, heritage, and most of
their  population, to a slow but relentless advance of the  white
man.

                        WAR IN THE COSMOS

     The  HHM tells there will be power politics between  peoples
in the Cosmos.  Sadly, it also tells us that since "war is merely
politics  extended by other means," (Reference 14) there  must  be
war  in the Cosmos between nations.  I have already  referred  to
the  Bible where it tells of war in heaven in Revelations;  Thus,
it is written that Earth is not the only arena of war.
     I have often referred to the Bible in this talk and will  do
so  again; however, I also have spoken, in general, of  books  of
ancient wisdom of Earth and how they would be useful in  advising
us  concerning the Cosmos.  I will now begin referring to such  a
useful  book of ancient wisdom.  It is a book of the  East  where
the  Bible is a book of the West, but it is ancient and  wise  in
my  view  and  along with the Bible and other books  I  think  it
offers  humanity  great help.  This book it Sun Tzu, the  Art  of
War.   I commend this book to your study.  Sun Tzu writes to  us,
"military  action is important to the nation -- it is the  ground
of  death and life.  The path of survival and destruction, it  is
imperative to examine it." (Reference 15)
     War  occurs  in  the  Cosmos  as  part  of  a  struggle  for
dominance;  it is an aspect of the law of competition of survival
of  the fittest.  On Earth, nations go to war for  territory  and
resources so they can prosper and grow and their competitors will
wither  and  shrink, or be absorbed.  According to he  HHM,  wars
occur  in  the  Cosmos  over stars  and  planets  and  the  space
containing them.
     We  know that stars like the Sun that are single and of  its
special  range F through K type are best for having life  bearing
worlds  around them, like the Earth. (Reference 16)   The  hotter
stars  are  too short lived and the dimmer, cooler ones  are  too
unstable.  We also know that planets like Earth, that are  living
planets, with oxygen atmospheres, and favorable temperature,  are
rare.  Only  one  such planet exists in this  star  system  which
contains nine planets.  Mars may have once been a living  planet,
but it is now dead.  According to the HHM, people will fight over
land and ocean and resources like those found on Earth. Therefor,
the HHM says that the space containing stars like the Sun  around
which  orbit planets like the Earth, with intelligent  beings  or
not  on  them,  are the things over which people  of  the  Cosmos
probably fight wars.  They fight, because if you can have such  a
planet, you can settle a million individuals on it, and they will
become  a billion in a few centuries.  If they can have ten  such
planets, a people can prosper and become great; if a people loses
ten such planets to a competitor, then they will become weak  and
despised...their seed will not be as the stars of heaven.
     War  between  advanced  peoples both  of  whom  may  possess
nuclear  weapons  is probably highly risky, even  if  one  side's
space  technology  is  highly superior.   Nuclear  weapons,  like
gunpowder on Earth, is probably a great equalizer in the  Cosmos.
In addition, space, by definition, allows cultures to develop  in
great  isolation  from each other, and thus have  very  different
levels  of  technology.  For these reasons, wars  in  the  Cosmos
probably  seldom  take place between equals.  War on  Earth  most
often  comes  about  from  a  perceived  imbalance  of   military
capabilities.   Life  on Earth is not fair; probably  neither  is
life  in the Cosmos.  So we would expect some peoples will  carry
out  wars of conquest or extermination against their  weaker  and
less  advanced  neighbors.  Since these wars will  involve  armed
conflict  between very different cultures and species, they  will
probably be very cruel, as such wars are on Earth.  In predicting
this,  I  am supposing that some peoples of the Cosmos  will  act
more like biological entities rather than moral civilized states.
In  saying this, I do not say all peoples of the Cosmos will  act
ruthlessly towards their neighbors, only some of them.
     On  Earth  we have nations that are great and  powerful  and
others  that are merely powerful. It is a dream  that  scientific
knowledge and technological power lead to moral enlightenment  in
a  nation,  but  we  know on Earth that  some  nations  can  have
enormous  wealth  and  scientific and  technological  power,  yet
commit unspeakable crimes and aggression against their own people
and   others.    Nazi  Germany  was  for  a   period   the   most
technologically advanced power on Earth, with ballistic missiles,
jet  fighter  planes,  and an active  program  to  build  nuclear
weapons.  No power on Earth could rival it for a period.  Germany
before this had been considered a center of theology and culture.
Yet  in  a  few years, Germany regressed  into  a  nightmare  and
committed unspeakable crimes against humanity.
     Technology  and morality do not go hand in hand on Earth  or
probably  anywhere else in the Cosmos.  One has only to  look  at
our own society to see this.  For some nations, technology merely
provides irresistible temptations to abuse other nations.
     Nor  does the fact that a people dwell among the stars  make
them moral and just.  We dwell on a star, and it sits among other
stars,  but  we  must constantly struggle with  ourselves  to  do
right,  and sometimes we fail at this.  Therefore, according  to
the  HHM  the Cosmos is as harsh and desperate a place as  it  is
beautiful.   The laws of biology dictate this, and  Earth  merely
reflects  it.  Morality and enlightenment must  struggle  against
criminality  and darkness in the Cosmos as they do on the  Earth,
and sometimes this struggle is armed.
     Given the preceding discussion, a likely scenario for war in
the Cosmos is as follows: (1) an advanced space power  encounters
a  less advanced power; (2) the more advanced power displays  its
power hoping to cow the less advanced power into submission;  (3)
if  this ploy succeeds, the advanced power subjugates the  lesser
power  without war; and (4) The subjugated people may  be  merely
enslaved  or  else exterminated and the planet settled  with  the
victorious  species.   Sun Tzu says "The best policy  is  to  use
strategy,  influence,  and  the  trend of  events  to  cause  the
adversary  to  summit  willingly." (Reference  17)   That  is,  a
military  victory  can be had at little cost by  first  achieving
psychological victory over the enemy.
     One  successful psychological ploy that was used with  great
success on Earth in analogous situations was to convince the less
advanced natives that the more advanced were gods.  This ploy was
used  by Cortez, who made ingenious use of the Quetzacotl  legend
in  his attack on the Aztec empire.  Cortez also used  calculated
displays  of  cannon  fire, horses,  and  other  technologies  to
convince the Aztec envoys that he possessed supernatural  powers.
Montezuma,  the  King  of the Aztecs  was  almost  hypnotized  or
"spooked" by the Spanish.  Finally, when the Aztecs realized  too
late  that  the  Spanish were just gold-hungry  flesh  and  blood
people like themselves, the people killed Montezuma for betraying
them  to  the  Spanish.  cortez by this time had  raised  up  the
Indian  nations  long enslaved by the Aztecs, and so  managed  to
conquer  an empire of millions with only 800 men.   Pizzaro  also
pulled  off such a conquest again by "spooking" the Inca  emperor
into believing he was divine.  So, a former pig farmer with a few
hundred men conquered another empire of millions.

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Subject: Rainbow Declaration, Part 7
Date: 14 Aug 91 14:56:00 GMT

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     However, let us suppose that the less advanced power is very
tough  minded  and refuses to be cowed by  the  advanced  powers'
superior  technology.  Let us suppose also that the lesser  power
rejects  as psychological ploys the advanced power's attempts  to
claim  divinity, and that these attempts to attain  psychological
advantages merely harden the will of the less advanced people  to
fight.   In this case, two things could happen: (1) The  advanced
power will withdraw or decide to establish normal and  respectful
diplomatic  ties with the lesser power.  (2) The  advanced  power
may  choose  to  wage  war  on  the  less  advanced  power   when
psychological ploys used alone have failed.  Here the outcome  is
not nearly so predictable as one might imagine.
     War  between technological unequals is probably the norm  in
the  Cosmos  rather than the exception.  However,  as  on  Earth,
technology  is only one of many factors is war.  The factors  are
primarily:

     1.  Relative  numbers of military forces -- does  one  side
         have overwhelming numbers?
     2.  Moral  and  discipline  of the  forces  --  can  it  be
         maintained in the face of losses?
     3.  Length of supply lines -- can a large military effort be
         sustained for long by both sides?
     4.  Political unity of opposing power groups -- can one side
         exploit divisions in the other?
     5.  Technology  -- can the high tech of one side  be  easily
         countered by the low tech of the other?
     6.  Will  -- are the less advanced people  more  willing  to
         resist  than  the  more advanced are  willing  to  press
         attacks?
     7.  Other Powers -- will other powers stay out of the war or
         intervene on one side or another?
     8.  Which  side  chooses the Way --  one  side  or  neither?
         (Reference 18)

     As  was discovered by the United States in Vietnam  and  the
Russians in Afghanistan, technological superiority alone is not a
deciding  factor against adversaries who are  tenacious,  clever,
are willing to die rather than submit, who have high morale,  and
who  confront the advanced power on their home territory.   These
wars   also  showed  the  sensitivity  of  advanced   powers   to
casualties, even when the advanced power may not be known for its
concern for human life, as was the case with Russia.  One Russian
was  quoted  as  saying  "30,000 dead was  one  day's  losses  at
Stalingrad,   but  in  Afghanistan  it  seems  too  much."    The
difference  was  that 30,000 Germans died also and  the  Russians
were  fighting  for  their homes and  lives.   Death  on  foreign
hostile  territory,  far  form home, at the  hands  of  primitive
natives  is  especially grievous to  advanced  peoples,  because,
economically,  a trained member for their society is more  costly
to replace than a member of a more primitive society, especially,
if  he  must  be trained in the use of  high  tech  weaponry  and
transported   great  distances  onboard   expensive   transports.
therefore,  if  a less advanced society can  maintain  ferocious,
long-term resistance against an advanced aggressor operating  far
form  home,  with limited forces, the less  advanced  people  can
triumph.   the  more advanced people will simply  find  they  are
bogged down and taking losses in an unwinnable war far from home,
and they will leave.  In such a triumph, morale and, if possible,
religious  zeal  on  the part of the less advanced  people  is  a
decisive  factor.   I repeat, in a conflict where  a  technically
advanced  power is waging a war of aggression on a less  advanced
power,  the  morale  and  will of the lesser  power  is  what  is
decisive, not technology alone.  Sun Tzu, though he wrote of war,
as  also  a great moralist.  To him a key factor in  war  was  to
follow "the Way." (Reference 18)

    "The  Way means humaneness and justice.  In ancient times,  a
    famous minister of state asked a political philosopher  about
    military  matters.   The  philosopher  said,  'Humanness  and
    justice  are the means to govern properly.   When  government
    is carried out properly, people feel close to the  leadership
    and think little of dying for it'."

    He also said: (Reference 19)

    "Those  who  use  arms will cultivate the Way  and  keep  the
    rules.   Thus,  they can govern in such a way as  to  prevail
    over the corrupt."


"Those  who  use its superior technology to try and  oppress  and
destroy  less advanced neighbors does not know of the Way.   This
is true on Earth, and I think this is true throughout the Cosmos.
     If a people departs form the Way to oppress their neighbors,
then  neither the brilliance of their technology  and  intellect,
nor  all their clever words can disguise it.  Sadly, this  brings
us to the subject of the present situation regarding humanity and
some of its fellow peoples of the Cosmos and what forty years  of
E.T. contact have taught us.

         FORTY YEARS OF UFOLOGY:  WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED?

     A  goal of this paper was to factor into our view  of  human
destiny  what  we have learned from forty years of  contact  with
E.T.s.   In  particular, what does the HHM do to unravel  for  us
what  is  reported  concerning the  last  forty  years.   Several
observations can be made.
     The  first and primary observation is that, at least on  the
surface everything appears well.  Humanity rules and occasionally
misrules,  the Earth.  No overt signs of E.T. contact  are  seen.
In   the   last  forty  years,  humanity,  itself,   has   become
spacefaring,  advanced  in power, and in some  ways,  has  gained
wisdom.   Except  for a popular preoccupation with  E.T.  contact
fantasies,  no outward sign of E.T. Earth dialogue  is  apparent.
The  second observation is that, like many situations  on  Earth,
much  is  being  concealed.  Concealment is  usually  a  sign  of
conflict.
     Sun Tzu wrote: (Reference 20)

    "Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness.   Be
    extremely  mysterious,  even to the point  of  soundlessness.
    Thereby, you can be the directors of the opponent's fate."

     The  groups of extraterrestrials who seem to have long  term
interests  here seem to be concealing their true  intentions  and
the governments of Earth are concealing their true posture toward
the extraterrestrials.
     To learn anything form the past forty years of Ufology,  one
must have a method of interpreting both the government's and  the
E.T.s' actions.  We have such a method in the HHM.  What does the
HHM  tell  that we have learned about the past forty  years?   It
tell us the following:

     1.  We  are not in a region of space controlled by  any  one
         E.T. nation; we know this because many species visit us.
     2.  Most E.T.s seem to have adopted a policy of benign  non-
         interference in Earth's affairs.
     3.  Most E.T.s are quite humanoid.
     4.  Three groups seem to be attempting to carry out  a  long
         term activity here.
         (a) Reticulians or "grays" -- A species reportedly  form
             Zeta Reticuli 36 light years form Earth.  (Reference
             16)   These  are  the  short,  big-eyed,  big-headed
             aliens.
         (b) The  Talls -- similar to the Reticulians  but  more
             humanoid, blonde, blue-eyed -- origin unknown.
         (c) Nordics -- very humanoid, Scandinavian appearance --
             star of origin unknown.

         It  must be stated that is is not clear to  what  extent
         these three species' intentions towards Earth coincide.
     5.  Some  E.T.  contact has  been  extremely  positive  and
         strongly suggests that we will one day become a part  of
         some community of cosmic peoples of like beliefs to  our
         own.
     6.  There  does not appear to be  any  Galactic  government
         protecting  primitive  planets  like  Earth  from   E.T.
         contact.
     7.  Some E.T.s appear to be quite hostile to humanity.

     This  last  point  is  an  unpleasant  and  difficult   one.
However,  it merely means the Cosmos is like the Earth,  and  you
live   on  Earth,  so  you  can  deal  with   this   possibility.
Unfortunately,  it appears that the E.T.s with the most  interest
in  Earth  are  also  the most hostile.  How  could  it   be  any
different if humanity is involved?

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Subject: Rainbow Declaration, Part 8
Date: 14 Aug 91 14:57:00 GMT

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THE SECRET STAR WARS:  THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT THE LAST FORTY YEARS

     It  is my analysis, based on the HHM, that  the  Reticulians
(or grays) are implacably hostile to humanity.  (figure 1)  As to
the  Reticulian  goal, there can be little doubt, for  they  have
come far, stayed long, suffered great losses, and expended  great
resources, yet they will not reveal it to us.  But, their actions
reveal  their  goal:  to have the Earth  for  their  own.   Their
actions  are not consistent with anything else.   Our  government
apparently  realized  this  at some point in  the  distant  past,
perhaps  as early as 1947.  The government has kept  this  secret
locked up in Dreamland with its captured discs.  It is my  belief
that the fact of Reticulian hostility is the actual great  secret
underlying  the  entire  government  cover-up  concerning   UFOs.
However, this truth can no longer be kept secret; it is  apparent
from both Reticulians' behaviors that are widely known in Ufology
and the government's reactions to them.  I would argue that while
it  may  have been useful to have kept this secret  in  the  past
(that is, the fear engendered by the knowledge of hostile  aliens
might have been more dangerous than the aliens themselves), it is
now  more dangerous to keep it secret, because secrecy is  now  a
hindrance to effective defense.
     Ufology  has withheld judgment for a long period  concerning
the  behavior of the Reticulians. This was justified because,  in
the  past,  data  was scanty and  unreliable.   We  have  avoided
judging the Reticulians' actions by human standards because  they
were  not human, and we like to withhold judgment even on  humans
until we have some basic level of knowledge about them.  We  also
have tended to place less credibility on reports of  Reticulians'
atrocities and hostile acts because they frighten us, and because
they  are  at  odds with our picture of E.T.s as  the  hoped  for
"space brothers,"  the angelic saviors of humanity.  However, the
truth  appears to be that the truly benevolent E.T. nations  want
little  to do with us, and that humanity has only God and  itself
to look to for salvation.
*****************************************************************
Omitted:  "Figure 1."; Text reads: The Hostile Reticulian.   Out
of numbers of people in our cosmic neighborhood, the  Reticulians
have  demonstrated  implacable hostility to humanity.   But  this
hostility is not irrational, we both want the Earth and only  one
can  have  it.  They must be, and will be, opposed by  all  means
necessary.
*****************************************************************
It appears our government has been involved in a Secret Star Wars
with the Reticulians.  This Star War is sometimes cold, sometimes
hot  and has been punctuated by cynical truces and  cease  fires,
but Star War is the best term for it.  Is this government posture
justified; I would argue, yes, absolutely.
     The  time  is  now  ripe for  Ufology  to  make  a  judgment
regarding  the behavior of the Reticulians and their cohorts.   I
give you my judgment: the emperor has no clothes, the Reticulians
and  their crimes are naked.  It is widely and reliably  reported
now that the Reticulians are engaged in horrifying behavior.
     1.  They abduct and terrorize people beginning  often  with
         children.  (Reference 21)
     2.  They mutilate cattle and leave them for their owners  to
         find.  (Reference 22)
     3.  Their breeding program is an abominable  crime  against
         humanity.  (Reference 23)
     4.  They kill people, only whether it is murder 1, 2, or  3,
         is debatable.  (Reference 24)
     5.  They invade our airspace and destroy our warplanes  and
         pilots sent to defend our airspace.  (Reference 25, 26)
     This  pattern  of behavior by the  Reticulians  indicates  a
complete disregard for human rights, life, or dignity.  Some have
said that those are crimes by human standards, but perhaps not by
Reticulian  standards.  I argue that this is Earth, and  humanity
and  its standards rule on Earth, so if they are crimes by  human
standards,  then as far as we are concerned, they are  crimes  by
any   standard.   I  further  argue  that   murder,   mutilation,
abduction,  and  hostile intrusion into a planet's  airspace  are
crimes on any planet.
     The  HHM gives an astonishing and horrifying  interpretation
of Reticulian behavior:

Reticulian Behavior     Human Parallel    Primary Meaning/Purpose

Abduction:              Kidnaping and     Terrorization,
                        Abduction         Domination

Sexual Procedure:       Rape/             Terrorization,
                        Molestation       Domination

Talk in Riddles to      Old Human         Psychological power
to Abductees:           Interrogation     plus maintaining
                        trick             emotional distance from
                                          victim

Tissue Sample:          To "cut"          Demonstrate power
                        someone

Animal/Human            Old human ploy    Terrorization --
Mutilation:                               frustrated expression
                                          of rage

Claims of               Cortez in         Psychological warfare
divinity and to         Mexico and        to induce surrender
have influenced         "I made you
history:                everything
                        you are
                        today"

Desire for Secrecy:     Mafia,            Disguise military
                        Terrorist         weakness
                        groups

     It  is  even reported that the Reticulians have  claimed  to
have invented Jesus Christ.  (Reference 27)  If this is what  the
Reticulians  have  claimed,  it  is  a  contemptible  lie.    The
Reticulians  by  their  actions  have  shown  themselves  to   be
completely  ignorant of Christ's teachings.  Even the  devil  can
quote  scripture, and appear as an angel of  light.   (References
28, 29)  This claim concerning Christ is in my opinion, again,  a
naked attempt to gain psychological domination over humanity.  As
awful  as  such  behavior is, it clearly  indicates  their  utter
disrespect  for  human religious beliefs and is  thus  clearly  a
warning.   For  Christians  this  makes  our  conflict  with  the
Reticulians particularly apparent and mortal.  For it is written.

    I John 4:3

    "And  every spirit that confesses not that Jesus  Christ  is
    come  in the flesh is not of God and this is the  spirit  of
    the antichrist..."

     To  a Christian, what could be a simpler  decision.   Either
the  Bible  or the Reticulian is lying, and the  Reticulians  are
commonly  reported to be liars about even petty things.   So,  it
would  not  surprise  me if the Reticulians soon  claim  to  have
invented  Moses,  the Ten Commandments, and  the  electric  light
bulb.  Ignore these claims.  Our conflict with the Reticulians is
a  mortal one in that we are dealing with a power that wishes  to
destroy  everything we regard as precious and holy in the  Earth.
In  my  view,  surrender  to  the  Reticulians  is  suicide   and
holocaust; it is unthinkable.
      It is obvious that, when analyzed by HHM, the  Reticulians'
actions have strong parallels in every record of human oppression
and terror.  The Reticulians resemble an Earthly terrorist  state
such  as Iran, Libya, North Korea, or the Mafia.  I  would  argue
that its strongest parallel is Nazi Germany, because of its utter
disregard  for  human values and its  abominable  crimes  against
humanity  seen  in its breeding program.  This  would  mean  that
humanity's  introduction  to  the Cosmos has  actually  become  a
confrontation   with  a  latter  day  Axis  alliance   with   the
Reticulians  playing  Nazi  Germany, and the  Talls  and  Nordics
playing the roles of Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan.  Like  the
Nazis, the Reticulians are bent on conquest.  There can be little
doubt as to their goal: to seize the Earth for themselves.

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Date: 14 Aug 91 14:58:00 GMT

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     This,  I would argue, is the real secret of the  past  forty
years,  not that E.Ts have come to Earth, but that hostile  E.T.s
have  come  to Earth.  In response, the government has  tried  to
lock  this terrible truth away from public awareness.   Like  the
publicly known Star Wars concept, it has a bizarre dual existence
as  the stuff of both tabloid headlines and the blackest  of  the
black programs.
     The  arrival  of this Reticulians Axis has  triggered  every
possible  defensive  action  by our government  and  other  world
governments,  and I think this is justified.  The government  has
particularly made every possible attempt to gain understanding of
Reticulians technology.  It has been reported that the government
has even entered into agreements with the Reticulians and allowed
them sanctuary on some military bases.  Why would a government do
such  a  thing  if  it believed the  Reticulians  were  vile  and
hostile?   They would do it because they must have knowledge,  as
Sun Tzu states: (Reference 30)

    "A major military operation is a severe drain on the  nation,
    and  may be kept up for years in the struggle for  one  day's
    victory.   So  to fail to know the  conditions  of  opponents
    because  of  reluctance to give rewards for  intelligence  is
    extremely  inhumane,  uncharacteristic  of  a  true  military
    leader,  uncharacteristic of an assistant of the  government,
    uncharacteristic  of  a  victorious  military  leadership  to
    overcome others and achieve extraordinary accomplishments  is
    foreknowledge.
         Foreknowledge cannot be gotten form ghosts and  spirits,
    cannot be had by analogy, cannot be found out by calculation.
    It  must  be  obtained  from  people,  people  who  know  the
    conditions of the enemy."

     So,  our government may have done such things.  This  covert
Star Wars involves espionage and counter espionage, and it is not
pleasing  to look upon.  However, the more vile and  hostile  the
Reticulians, the more necessary such dialogue with them  becomes.
In addition, the government would attempt to keep this  situation
secret  from  its  own people by whatever  means  possible.   The
government,  in a sense, has been trying to preserve  the  "Prime
Directive."   Unfortunately, this has required the government  to
lie  continually  to its people, among other things that  it  has
done.   Our government has, in general, done what governments  do
when  they  are  threatened with war by a  powerful  and  unknown
enemy.   Now,  it is becoming plain that this  situation  can  no
longer be kept secret.
     One  would immediately protest that if the  Reticulians  are
implacably hostile to humanity,  why don't they attack since they
are  so  powerful?   My first response is that many  of  us  have
enemies, but when they attack openly, it is usually a relief; for
the  most  part,  treachery  and intimidation  are  the  rule  in
conflicts between individuals and nations.  My second response is
that humanity has enormous military power on Earth's surface  and
in  its atmosphere, and the Reticulians are a space  power,  with
few forces available and far from home; so they are powerful  but
so are we.  They are more advanced, but they are not as  powerful
as  they want us to think.  My third response is that the  Cosmos
is  probably a complicated place, and these  complications  place
constraints  on  Reticulian actions just as  they  constrain  the
actions of Earth nations.
     What  can be done about this situation?  I would argue  that
much  can  be done and this situation is  neither  hopeless,  nor
beyond  us in Ufology from making a contribution.   However,  one
must not avoid the impact of this realization -- that humanity is
probably confronted with a powerful and merciless enemy.

           GOD, GUTS, AND GUNS AGAINST THE RETICULIANS

     For  me, the impact of the Secret Star Wars, the concept  of
the  Reticulians  as implacable enemies of humanity  and  of  our
government, brought me closer to God.  However, I went through  a
classic grief reaction.  First, there was fear and white-hot rage
alternating  with  denial and terrible grief.   then,  there  was
despair and nights of prayer.  Then, there was courage and  hope.
Finally,  there  was also resolve:  God is with humanity;  if  we
must fight the Reticulians, God will fight for us also.  I  would
argue that he already fights for us, and that the strength of His
arm was seen at Roswell, before anyone even knew we had an enemy.
(figure  2)  For there, in one stroke, a Reticulians' craft  fell
even  as  we celebrated the Fourth of July,  and  our  government
found  the  Reticulians'  craft  shattered  and  the  bodies   of
Reticulians scattered about as food for the buzzards and coyotes.
We  thus knew form the onset that the Reticulians were flesh  and
blood  and not invincible or infallible.  We also knew  they  had
crashed  while  spying on what was then one of  our  most  secret
defense  installations,  showing our  government  their  possible
hostile intent.  So, God has helped us form the beginning, before
we even knew we needed help.
     We  are much stronger militarily than we were in 1947.   The
human  race has never been more technologically advanced or  more
united than it is now.  I believe we are only a breakthrough away
from a unified field theory that will allow us to control gravity
with  electromagnetism.  When we achieve this we will be able  to
duplicate  much  of the Reticulians'  technology  and  eventually
improve on it.  I am myself working on such a theory, and I  know
many others are also working on it; may God help us in our  work.
Finally,  it  is  known  that  weapons  we  already  possess  are
effective  against the Reticulians and their ships.  Many of  the
reported  crashes  of alien ships were not accidents;  they  were
victories  in a secret war with a secret enemy.  Many  brave  men
have died already to defend their country and their people.   Let
us remember their sacrifice.
     So,  with  God's  help,  I  found  courage  and  resolve  to
fight  the  Reticulians and their Axis.  I see reason  for  grave
concern,  but I see reasons to be encouraged also.  We will  win.
We  will win, because God is with us, and we seek His  help.   We
will  win  because we are strong and brave and ready to  die,  if
necessary;  and  we will win because we have  already  shown  our
weapons are powerful against the Axis; and while they may rule in
space,  we  rule on Earth, and in its atmosphere.   We  will  win
because necessity is the mother of invention, and we do not  need
to duplicate Reticulians technology to render it useless to them.
So God, Guts, and Guns are our key allies in victory.

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Omitted: "figure 2"; Text reads:
The evening of July 4, 1947, in a field near Roswell, New Mexico.
The  irony  of fate dictates, that as the Reticulians  and  their
craft  lay fallen and broken, the nation celebrates  Independence
Day.
*****************************************************************

     Much more could be said about this matter and will be  said;
however,  this  paper  is not about the  present  but  about  the
future.  So, let us now consider how what we have learned in  the
last forty years will impact our future.  In particular, what can
we in Ufology do to positively impact the human future, given our
knowledge of the past forty years.
     Concisely summarized:  The past forty years of Ufology  have
taught us that the Cosmos is like the Earth and that the dynamics
of  nations  in the Cosmos resembles the dynamics of  nations  on
Earth.   On Earth we have seen powerful advanced nations  try  to
oppress weak and less-advanced nations.  We now see a  repetition
of that struggle of nations in a vaster arena with the past forty
years being a struggle between two astonishingly powerful  groups
of  nations  in the Cosmos, humanity and the  Reticulians'  Axis.
There  are  apparently a cloud of other cosmic  nations,  "silent
watchers,"  also  monitoring these events.  So, we  have  learned
something, but what can we do with this knowledge?
     You in Ufology are the only group outside of the  government
that  has the slightest inkling of what the real human  situation
is.   I  have  spoken  of a problem: I will  now  tell  you  what
positive step you can do to help this situation.  The key concern
is that humanity's destiny, so far as it is under the control  of
flesh  and  blood,  is  in  its  own  hands.   So,  it  is  human
intentions,  not  the  intentions of the  Reticulians,  that  are
important.  So, what are your intentions?

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 456

                            Friday, August 16th 1991

Today's Topics:

                          Rainbow Declaration, Part 10
                          Rainbow Declaration, Part 11
                         Rainbow Declaration, Conclusion
                              Re: GULF BREEZE NEWS
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Subject: Rainbow Declaration, Part 10
Date: 14 Aug 91 14:59:00 GMT

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IV  THE RAINBOW DECLARATION

     The Rainbow Declaration was written as an attempt to declare
what  the  people of the Earth, humanity,  should  agree  amongst
themselves  and what they should declare to their fellow  peoples
of the Cosmos as to their beliefs and intentions.  Its themes are
equality  and fellowship before God of all peoples of the  Cosmos
and  the basic rights of all peoples.  The prominent  mention  of
God  in  this document is wholly appropriate, I  believe;  and  I
cannot  conceive of a document discussing such basic  rights  and
truths  without  mention  of God.  If there  are  laws  that  are
universal,  then only God can establish them and command  respect
for  them.  If all people are part of a great family,  then  only
God  can  be its head.  I borrowed heavily from  great  works  of
human heritage and science fiction.  Such borrowings are intended
as acts of homage rather than plagiarism.
     The   Rainbow  Declaration  is  also  dialogue.   It  is   a
declaration to God that we recognize our place in the stars.   It
is  a  declaration to the government that we want  to  known  the
truth,  even if it hurts, and that we want the  extraterrestrials
to  be  dealt with in a unified front with the other  nations  of
Earth.   Finally,  it is a declaration to  the  extraterrestrials
themselves that we are ready for an open and equal dialogue  with
them,  that we expect the rights of all peoples to be  respected,
and  that  our  expansion into the Cosmos will not  be  at  their
expense.   In  particular, it will put the Reticulians'  Axis  on
notice that we view their conduct here as unacceptable.

                    THE DECLARATION ANALYZED

     The  Preamble to the Declaration is essentially a  statement
of  who  we  are as a people and our concerns as  people  of  how
precious  the Earth and its environment is to us.  I call for  an
end to slaughter of the whales, because I want all  victimization
of intelligent beings on Earth to stop; and the first step is  to
end our victimization of these intelligent, friendly creatures of
the sea, who were honored by special mention in Genesis as one  of
God's great creations.  (Reference 31)
     The first article states that relation between humanity  and
other  peoples  of the Cosmos should be open and  public.   there
should   be   no   secret  treaties   between   terrestrial   and
extraterrestrial  powers.  The document states that all of  these
relations should be handled through the General Secretary of  the
United Nations, actin in consultation with the Security  council,
and that the Security Council should ratify all agreements.
     This  may  strike  some of you as a  surrender  of  American
sovereignty to the United Nations, which many of you have a  poor
opinion  of.   However, the United States sits  on  the  Security
Council as a permanent member and has veto power over anything it
does  not  like.   (Reference 32)   Reportedly,  in  the  present
situation,  the United States is acting as an ambassador  to  the
Cosmos on humanity's behalf.  Considering all that has reportedly
transpired,  I  do  not think this reflects well on  us,  and  we
should  give  up  the  job.   The  United  Nations  is  a   human
organization and like humanity has many flaws and frailties,  but
the  United  States,  in  my opinion,  would  do  better  leading
humanity  as a loyal member of the United Nations than trying  to
pretend it speaks for humanity.  Much of humanity would  probably
resent  this deeply if they knew the United States were acting  n
this role.
     Article  two  begins by greeting our fellow peoples  of  the
Cosmos  and asking them to pay careful attention to the  list  of
basic  rights.  It also says that we think all peoples are  equal
in God's sight and this may be a revolutionary concept to some in
the  Cosmos.   Much  of  the  rest  of  the  document  is   self-
explanatory, except for the part about genetic code.
     The reference to genetic code deserves special  explanation.
It  was  decided  that this code must be  protected  because  the
genetic code of a people is an instruction book on how to live on
their  planet of Genesis and how to fight the many bacterial  and
viral  infections  found there.  Therefore, to  take  a  people's
genetic  code,  outside  of an open  scientific  exchange,  is  a
hostile   act  and  indicates  an  alien  power  is   considering
colonization of a planet with its own species.
     The final right is the right to assert and defend the rights
listed.   This  is not a fairy tale document; it was  written  in
recognition  that  some people, some nations, and  some  species,
understand only force.  Some in the Cosmos obviously believe that
might  makes right; this is not a new idea on Earth.   Many  have
believed  it in our history, but they were proved  wrong.   right
makes might, friends, and I have written The Rainbow  Declaration
that its truth might strengthen you.
     Finally, the Rainbow Declaration closes with the statements:
that  all  peoples  ought  to treat all  other  peoples  as  they
themselves desire to be treated, and that humanity's highest goal
is to join, as an equal partner, in the community of the  peoples
of the Cosmos.  The Rainbow Declaration is as follows:

                     THE RAINBOW DECLARATION

We, the people of Earth, do make this solemn Rainbow Declaration.
We Acknowledge our common childhood before the Creator, God,  and
Judge  of  all  the  Cosmos,  both  visible  and  invisible.   We
recognize  the planet Earth as our Planet of Genesis,  our  home,
and our hereditary treasure.  We pledge to keep and preserve  the
Earth  for  all humanity for all generations.  We call  upon  all
humanity to treat one another with kindness, justice, and  peace.
We call upon all humanity to work together to ease the effects of
hunger,  disease,  and  overpopulation.  Let  there  be  no  more
killing of the whales, great and small, and let humanity, and the
beauty of the Earth which is humanities.

ARTICLE One

In  true Unity there is strength and general benefit;  therefore,
on all matters concerning extraterrestrial peoples we shall be as
One.   We  recognize the office of the Secretary General  of  the
United  Nations,  acting  with  the advice  and  consent  of  the
Security  Council, as the sole representative of humanity in  all
dealings  with extraterrestrials.  All relations  and  agreements
will  be open and public, and all agreements must be ratified  by
the Security Council to be in force.

ARTICLE Two

To  our fellow peoples in the community of the Cosmos, we  extend
greetings; we recognize you as fellow children of the Creator  of
the Cosmos.  Please give careful consideration to our declaration
that it might serve as a basis for good relations.

Section One

We  hold  these truths to be self-evident, that all  peoples  are
created  equal  and  are  endowed by  the  Creator  with  certain
inalienable rights.

Section Two

The  right  of  Possession of their homeworld,  their  Planet  of
Genesis.  No one shall take any portion of their world from them.

Section Three

The  right of Sanctity of Planet of Genesis from alien  intrusion
or  interference.   No  alien visitation shall  occur  until  the
people realize their Unity and achieve space travel of their own;
this  is  the Prime Directive for all space-faring  peoples.   No
alien  spacecraft  shall  make close approach,  or  assume  close
orbit,  or  make  any landing, except openly and  by  consent  of
global authority.

Section Four

The  right of Possession of Genetic Code.  No alien shall take  a
people's  Genetic  Code  for any  sue,  except  under  reciprocal
scientific exchange, negotiated openly by global authority.

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Subject: Rainbow Declaration, Part 11
Date: 14 Aug 91 15:00:00 GMT

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Section Five

The  right to permanent occupation of all bodies  orbiting  their
Planet of Genesis of the sun of their Planet, which is their Star
of  Genesis,  and permanent authority over the  space  containing
these  bodies. No alien bases may be established  permanently  on
bodies or stations orbiting a Planet or Star of Genesis, but must
be  evacuated upon landing by the people of this Planet or  Star,
except  there  shall be negotiated a  treaty  granting  temporary
lease.

Section Six

The  right  of Freedom of Peaceful Navigation of Space  shall  be
enjoyed  by  all  peoples  except where  it  conflicts  with  the
Sanctity of Planet of Genesis.

Section Seven

The  right  of peoples to Assert and  Defend  the  aforementioned
rights  and  the right to give and receive  aid  consistent  with
These rights, when these rights shall be endangered.  In case  of
dispute, the burden of proof-of-innocence shall fall on those who
are  alien,  for it is the burden of the strong and  advanced  to
help preserve the rights of the weak and less advanced.

Final Article

We pledge to uphold these rights and principals in all  relations
with all peoples we shall encounter, whether we be aliens or they
in these encounters.  We declare that all peoples should seek  to
treat  all  other peoples as they themselves would desire  to  be
treated, and that all peoples of the Cosmos should seek  peaceful
and  mutually beneficial relations with each other.   We  declare
that it is our deepest desire that humanity might take its  place
as an honored and valuable member of the community of peoples  of
the Cosmos.

              OWNERSHIP OF THE RAINBOW DECLARATION

     The  Rainbow  Declaration was written by my hand, and  I  am
very proud of it; however, it does not belong to me.  It  belongs
to whomever embraces it and believes its truths and affirmations.
The  Declaration is, for this reason, not copyrighted and  anyone
may  reproduce or sell copies of it with my blessings.  It is  my
gift  to  humanity, because of humanity's faith and  courage  and
strength.   Perhaps  a  better declaration could  be  written;  I
encourage  anyone to try, but I desire, rather, that the  Rainbow
Declaration will be embraced by you for now, so that humanity can
move forward into its destiny.

              THE RAINBOW DECLARATION AS NECESSARY

     I believe the Rainbow Declaration, or some similar statement
of principles, is vital to the future of humanity.  Without  such
a document it will be harder for humanity to find the Way to  its
true  destiny.   The history of humanity is a  history  of  great
documents  that state transcendent principles.   These  documents
and declarations have served to light the Way of humanity and not
only articulated the consensus of the people but helped form it.
     I  therefore  urge  that the  Rainbow  Declaration  or  some
similar  declaration  be endorsed by the major  organizations  of
Ufology  and  from them to the Congress, and then to  the  United
Nations,  so  that all of humanity might come together  on  these
vital issues while we have time to discuss them objectively.
     Before  the future can occur, it must be imagined.  This  is
self-actualization.  Let us imagine and proclaim for ourselves  a
future  where  humanity is a light to the Cosmos, rather  than  a
blot  upon  it  or a victim of it.  Let it  be  that  when  other
peoples  of  the Cosmos think of us they imagine  a  "Rainbow  of
Light."  Let us look into the future.

V  ADVICE TO A YOUNG SPECIES

     You  are  a  young vigorous species and new  to  the  cosmic
scene.  You are strong and full of promise.  Here is some  advice
for you.

     (1)  Trust in God, Guts, and Guns to preserve you mong stars.

     (2)  Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

     (3)  Do justly to all people and preserve the family of life
on all worlds.

     (4)  Never, never give in to bully boys with fancy toys.

     (5)  Talk softly, but always carry a big stick.

     (6)  A people becomes great because of what it loves --  not
because of what it hates.

     (7)   Boldly go where no one has gone before, and seek  your
kindred and your destiny among the stars.

VI  SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS

     I have tried to convey to you my understanding of the  human
situation and the destiny o humanity.  I hope I have succeeded in
causing you to think in new ways about the past, the present, and
the future.
     I  have  spoken to you of the future and of an  increase  of
knowledge.  I have spoken of the day when Ufology as we know  it,
will pass away and will become exoanthropology, the  outstretched
hand  of  humanity  to other  peoples.   For  Ufology  represents
knowledge  in part, and when knowledge that is whole comes,  that
which  is  in  part must pass away.   Exoanthropology  will  then
become the forefront of humanity reaching out to other beings  in
the Cosmos.
     I  have told you we are most likely involved in  a  dialogue
with  other people of the Cosmos.  I think that if this is  done,
our  long journey to reach humanity's destiny will begin  on  the
right path and with the right guide.
     Life on Earth is sometimes harsh and brutal.  Good does  not
survive  or triumph on eArth merely because it exists.   It  must
continually  struggle.   I see no reason to believe life  in  the
Cosmos should be any different.
     I see on Earth the triumph of good, Goodliness, justice, and
democracy,  but  only  after  a long  and  bitter  struggle  that
sometimes looked hopeless.  Earth is part of the Cosmos -- not an
anomaly  of it -- and good triumphs here.  It must  also  triumph
elsewhere.
     It is possible that Mars holds the same drama recorded there
as  we see on Earth, but this drama ended tragically  there.   If
this is the case, let us never forget what Mars teaches us.
     Our participation in the dialogue of the Cosmos tells us the
same  message.  I think there is much good in the Cosmos as  well
as  evil; we know this from the reports of  friendly,  respectful
contacts we have heard, and we know it from the good we see  here
on  our  own  world and in our own people.  This is  how  I  know
things will be well in the end.
     However, if we are to achieve this good, we must strive  for
it,k  and  we  must declare our allegiance to  it.   We  must  be
prepared for struggle to ensure the triumph of good.  to see  our
true  path, we must have open eyes and minds.  We must  be  brave
and  force  ourselves  to  comprehend what  we  do  not  want  to
comprehend,  but which is true and must be accepted.   Only  then
can our light truly shine in the Cosmos.
     I tell you again that based on my analyses, the  Reticulians
and  their Axis allies mean to destroy humanity and possess  this
planet  for  themselves.  The character, depth, and  duration  of
their  activities  here can indicate nothing else.  You  must  be
prepared  to  use  any  means necessary  to  stop  them  in  this
intention:  to surrender is death -- to fight them is life.
     I  say further that if you are not prepared to  accept  this
sad  truth, even as a possibility, then you are not really  ready
to  know  the truth about the last forty years.   I  believe  our
government  can no longer keep this Star Wars Secret any  longer;
to  fight the Reticulians will require a level of  resources  and
public sacrifice no secret program can ask.  To gain victory over
the  Reticulians,  mobilization,  not secrecy,  must  become  the
government's first priority.  The terrible truth must be let  out
to be confronted by the government and ourselves and all of Earth
in  the broad daylight.  It is only then that this threat can  be
overcome.   You  have a role to play in this  conflict.   I  have
given you the Rainbow Declaration.  It is a powerful weapon;  use
it.

<Concluded in next message..>

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Subject: Rainbow Declaration, Conclusion
Date: 14 Aug 91 15:00:00 GMT

<<<<<<<<<<<Continued from previous message>>>>>>>>>>>

     I  believe, with God's help, humanity is strong enough,  and
brave  enough,  and clever enough, to triumph  in  this  conflict
which  we  did  not  begin.  The Reticulians  may  be  a  Goliath
technologically,  but  morally and ethically, they  are  pygmies;
this is the root of their defeat.
     You  may  see in the Reticulians an  ancient  and  brilliant
race; I see a forlorn and empty people, fallen and corrupted from
the state wherein they developed the technology they now possess,
debasing  themselves on the Earth, victimizing the  helpless  and
crudely terrorizing the defenseless.  Their actions reveal  their
weaknesses -- as it is said "what you are shouts so loud I cannot
hear what you are saying."
     The fact that a nation should come to us from another  star,
riding  in  vessels  of  brilliant  technology  and  yet   commit
unspeakable  crimes here is shocking; yet it is quite  consistent
with our understanding of elemental evil from the ancient  books.
It  is  curious that Reticuli means "net," and the  net  is  used
throughout  the Bible as a symbol of evil, misfortune,  and  also
testing.  As it is written in Ecclesiastes 9:11:

         "I  returned and saw under the Sun that the race is  not
         to  the swift nor the battle to the strong, neither  yet
         bread   to   the  wise,  nor  yet  riches  to   men   of
         understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but  time
         and chance happened to the all.
         "For a man knoweth not his time; as the fishes are taken
         in  an  evil net and as the birds that are caught  in  a
         snare;  so are the sons of man snared in an  evil  time,
         when it falleth suddenly upon them."
     We  also  see the net used as symbol of testing  in  Matthew
13:01  and in the last, gentle moment of John's record of  Jesus,
(Reference 33) as perhaps an allegory of a testing of the nations
of Earth, which like the fish netted in the story number  roughly
150.  So, perhaps someone who has known this all would occur  has
left  these  mysterious symbols of this knowledge.   So,  let  us
seek  the Way and the truth and the light, and oppose  evil  with
all our might.
     The Reticulians and their Axis do not know the Way; if  they
did, they would not do the things they have done here.  As it  is
written,  "by their fruits you shall know them."  (Reference  34)
So comfort yourselves in God and in the brave heritage of  Earth.
Perhaps a great storm comes, but all is calm now, and after forty
years  of the Reticulians's attempts to dominate here, the  Earth
still stands, and humanity still stands, more brilliant and  more
powerful than ever before.  So, let us be of good courage; if the
Reticulians  are  here  to destroy us, then  they  are  obviously
having  a difficult time.  For Sun Tzu instructs us:   (Reference
35)

         "There  fore  I have heard of military  operations  that
         were  clumsy, but swift, but I have never seen one  that
         was  skillful  and  lasted a long  time.   It  is  never
         beneficial  to  a nation to have  a  military  operation
         continue a long time."

     If  it  is so, and I suspect it is, our  government,  rather
than being a villain, is actually a hero in many ways as are many
of  our  abductees, who have resisted the terror tactics  of  the
Reticulians.   It is mainly the government that has  opposed  the
Reticulians  for forty years.  Let us remember also that  if  the
Secret  Star  Wars scenario is true, then many brave men  of  our
nation  and many other nations have died fighting in a  war  that
few even guessed existed, their loved ones never knowing why they
died or how.  This same government made up of men and women  like
ourselves and prone to the same mistakes, has struggled  mightily
to  both hold the Reticulians' Axis at bay and at the  same  time
carry on a dialogue with them to try and gain desperately  needed
knowledge of their technology.  If this is so, then it is  little
wonder  that the truth has been hidden and why those who knew  it
have  kept this truth with such determined secrecy.  For  no  one
can  keep a secret like a man who believes he holds  truths  that
will  devastate  those whom he loves.  So, let us not  judge  our
government  nor condemn them for the mistakes they may have  made
in  this struggle.  I have not walked in their shoes and  neither
have you, so let us stand with them.

                             SUMMARY

         In summary, I have stressed three main points:

              (1)  That it is the destiny of humanity to find its
              greatness and its kindred among the stars.

              (2)   The  humanity is prepared  for  this  destiny
              because the Earth is a microcosm of the Cosmos  and
              its people, with the dynamics between people in the
              Cosmos resembling the dynamics of nations on Earth.

              (3)  That in order to find the Way to its  destiny,
              humanity  must  make  a  document  similar  to  the
              Rainbow  Declaration  its creed and guide.   It  is
              only  in this way that humanity can find the  right
              Way to its true destiny in the stars.

     Finally, trust in God, for He made the Cosmos both seen  and
unseen  and  all it contains.  Surely He has  helped  us  already
against the dangers of the Cosmos.  But He has also allowed these
dangers  to come upon us for His own mysterious reasons.  Let  us
not  disappoint  him  in our dealing  with  these  dangers.   God
delights in courage and bravery.  Be people of faith, like it  is
written,  who  "turned  to  fight  the  armies  of  the   aliens.
(Reference  36)   Joyfully  go  forth to  seek  the  wonders  and
challenges that lay beyond the present and which are our destiny.
So   humanity,   beloved  children  of  Earth,  reach   for   the
stars...boldly go...
                           REFERENCES

1.  John  E.  Brandenburg, MUFON UFO  Journal,  p.  15,  October
    (1989).

2.  T. Walter Wallbank, Alistair M. Taylor, and Nels M.  Bailey,
    Civilization  Past  and Present 3rd Edition,  p.  14,  Scott,
    Foreman, and Company, Glenview, Illinois (1967).

3.  Preston  Cloud,  Oasis in Space, p.  402,  W.W.  Norton  and
    Company, New York (1988).

4.  Whitley Streiber, Transformation:  The Breakthrough,  p.  10,
Beech Tree Books, William Morrow, New York (1988).

5.  Ananda Sirisena, Beyond Science, U.K.  (out of print).

6.  Carl G. Jung et al, Man and His Symbols, p.55, Doubleday  and
    Company, New York (1964).

7.  James  Strong,  The Exhaustive  Concordance  of  the  Bible,
    p.1189, Abington Press, New York, Copyright 1890.

8.  Timothy Good, Above Top Secret, P. 293, William  Morrow  and
    Company, Inc., New York (1988).

9.  Jane Goodall, The Chimpanzees of Gombe: Patterns of Behavior,
    p. 529, The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, London
    (1986).

10. Robert  T.  Bakker,  The  Dinosaur  Heresies:  New  Theories
    Unlocking The Mystery of the Dinosaurs and Their  Extinction,
    p. 371, William Morrow and Company, New York (1986).

11. Civilization Past and Present, p. 16.

12. Carl Sagan and Iosef S. Shkolovskii, Intelligent Life in  The
    Universe, Holden Day, San Francisco (1960).

13. L.S.  Stavrianos, The World Since 1500,  A  Global  History,
    Prentice Hall, Inc., Englewood Cliffs, N.J. (1971).

14. Carl Von Clausewitz, On War, p. 119, Penguin  Books,  London
    (1968).

15. Sun Tzu, translation by Thomas Cleary, The Art of War, p. 41,
    Shambhala, Boston, and Shaftsbury (1968).

16. Terence  Dickenson,  "The Zeta Reticuli  Incident,"   p.  7,
    Astromedia   Corp.   (publishers   of   Astronomy   Magazine)
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin (1976).

17. The Art of War, p. 67.

18. Ibid. p. 43.

19. Ibid. p. 91.

20. Ibid. p. 104.

21. "Transformation: The Breakthrough," p. 94.

22. Linda  Moulton  Howe,  An Alien  Harvest,  p.  355,  Pioneer
    Printing, Cheyenne, Wyoming (1989).

23. Budd Hopkins, Intruders: The Incredible Visitations At Copely
    Woods, p. 118, Ballentine Books, New York (1987)

24. Jacques  F. Vallee, MUFON 1989 International  UFO  Symposium
    Proceedings, p. 32.

25. Jorge Martin, MUFON UFO Journal, p. 20, January 1990.

26. Above Top Secret, p. 273.

27. John Lear, Private Communication.

28. The Bible, Luke 4:9-12.

29. The Bible, II Corinthians 11:14.

30. The Art of War, p. 168.

31. The Bible, Genesis 1:21.

32. John A. Garraty, The American Nation, p. 777, Harper and  Row
    Publishers, New York (1975).

33. The Bible, John 21:6-11.

34. The Bible, Matthew 7:20.

35. The Art of War, p. 58.

36. The Bible, Hebrews 11:34.

              DISCLAIMER BY THE MUTUAL UFO NETWORK

     This  article is based upon compiled material researched  by
John  E.  Brandenburg,  Ph.D.  from  numerous  sources  per   the
references  indicated at the end of his paper.   Contingent  upon
his study and research into this vitally important problem,  this
is  his  personal  scenario, evaluation and  predictions  to  the
mystery  behind  the alien/entities conflict and  their  possible
intentions for the people of the planet Earth.  Some readers  may
consider  that his entire scenario is nothing more  then  science
fiction relating to the present and future.
     Historical   events   and  the  Bible  support   the   past.
Historians remind us that we should heed the past with a jaundice
and   educated  eye,  because  experience  gained  and   mistakes
committed  provide the wisdom for future decisions in  our  lives
and  that of our worldly constituents.  We must never lose  sight
of the fact that yesterdays science fiction is tomorrows  reality
--Buck  Rogers  yesterday  and NASA space  travel  today.   As  a
physicist,   Dr.   Brandenburg,  has   presented   his   personal
explanation  and  forecast for the future as it  relates  to  the
visitation  of extraterrestrial entities to the planet Earth  and
the serious implications to mankind of their apparent intent.
     The  theme of the 1990 symposium proceedings is  "UFOs:  The
Impact  of E.T. Contact Upon Society."  This paper has  been  Dr.
Brandenburg's scholarly attempt to address the theme as he  views
today  and  the  subsequent tomorrows  within  the  near  future.
Conservative  Ufologists  may  attribute  the  majority  of   his
predictions  to  science  fiction, whereas  thinking  people  and
futurists, conceivably, will incorporate his recommendations into
their  future  planning  in order to  sustain  the  freedoms  and
lifestyle  that we have grown to appreciate.  If his scenario  as
forecast  is  true  and becomes a reality, all of  us  should  be
vitally concerned for our future and well being.
     Trying  not  to be repetitious, I must  reiterate  that  the
disclaimer on the inside cover of the proceedings applies to  Dr.
Brandenburg's  paper, as well as to all other  published  papers.
It is surprising to learn how few people read the disclaimer  and
automatically  assume  that John is speaking for the  Mutual  UFO
Network.   Dr.  Brandenburg  is speaking for himself  on  a  very
controversial issue that deserves to be exposed, heard and read.

                                   Walter H. Andrus, Jr.
                                   MUFON International Director
                                   and Proceedings Editor


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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: GULF BREEZE NEWS
Date: 12 Aug 91 22:28:50 GMT

I suppose if I am sinking near Gulf Breeze, shooting up a flare will only
generate UFO news, and the Coast Guard will continue to watch sit-coms while
I go under. There are severe penaltys for misuse, and if someone down there
is playing games, I hope they keel haul them. (oooh, I'm so mean sometimes)

So is there any reasonable evidence that what people are seeing is a
distress flare in the latest red light events? Or is there something more
unexplained than great imagination and hoaxers?
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Quinn)
Subject: Your BBS's Number
Date: 14 Aug 91 23:11:00 GMT

Hi, Rick. I am a caller from New York State who has been interested
in psi and related disciplines for many years, and I have a good friend
who lives in San Francisco who would love to get the ParaNet feed that
I get in New York. Could you please give me the number of your BBS, as
well as any other relevant electronic addresses, so that my friend
could access your board? He has a Macintosh Classic with a 1200 baud
modem. Do you anticipate any problems with such a configuration gaining
access and is your board a subscription board? If it is, what are your
fees?
   Thank you in advance for your help in this matter.
Regards,
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 457

                           Saturday, August 17th 1991

Today's Topics:

                          Re: UFOs and Superconductors
                                     JASAAF
                        A little fun (from RISKS Digest)
                            A weird item in the news
                      Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
                      Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
                                   Re: JASAAF
                                   Re: JASAAF
                             Re:  **** Warning *****
                               Cattle Mutilations
                               Lear And Others...
                          Re: Crop Circle: Wiltshire,Uk
                               Lear And Others...
                          Re: Blue And Green Fireballs
                       Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
                               Shattering Assault?
              Blue And Green Fireballs (was: Re: Fireball Of 1972)
                                  Re: Cat mutes
                            Nevada Crash of Helicopter
                                    Cat Mutes

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: UFOs and Superconductors
Date: 15 Aug 91 16:35:00 GMT


 > That is absolutely amazing.  Thank you very much for posting it!
 >

You're welcome. As Jim Delton posted, I'm not sure if it has any bearing on
the UFO propulsion question, but at least its now in the system.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: JASAAF
Date: 15 Aug 91 16:41:00 GMT


Spoke at length with Dr. Richard Haines last evening. Among other newsettes,
he informed me of the inception of a groundbreaking new international
cooperative called the Joint American-Soviet Aerial Anomaly Federation. Haines
is co-chair, along with Vladimir Rubtsov, one of Russia's leading Ufologists.
This is a giant step forward for international ufology, and I hope we can find
a way to interact with the group and expedite their communications.

Jim

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From: conncoll.bitnet!gateh
Subject: A little fun (from RISKS Digest)
Date: 15 Aug 91 19:31:53 GMT

From: [e-mail]

The following was in a recent issue of the RISKS Digest, Peter G.
Neumann, moderator (RISKS deals with risks to the public from
technology, particularly computers).  I thought some folks here
might enjoy it :-).

Gregg TeHennepe             | Academic Systems Coordinator
[e-mail]       | Connecticut College, New London, CT


--- Forwarded mail from ho (Hilarie Kauiolani Orman)

-From ho  Sat Aug 10 02:54:00 1991
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 91 02:54:22 PDT
-From: ho (Hilarie Kauiolani Orman)
-Subject: Future Risks
Status: OR

    [Via fermat![e-mail] (Richard Schroeppel)]

TINY BUG IN H.S. 'GENOME' CAUSES MASSIVE HUMANITY FAILURE

Officials responsible for a spiral galaxy near the middle section of the
universe revealed today that a small error in an encoding for the life form
'Homo sapiens' was responsible for the near extinction of the partly
intelligent species.  The change had been introduced during routine maintenance
of the life form.  Officials explained that the maintenance had been intended
to improve the survivability of the species, but inadequate testing had caused
it to become suspectible to a new sexually transmitted disease.

Senior universe officials expressed disappointment in the control of
the life forms in the galaxy, citing a series of malfunctions,
especially near a yellow star at the edge.  The H.S. species has
required several patches in the field and still seems unstable.  The
latest change was not tested in alternative universes due to lax
controls and lack of funding.

Other officials cited inadequate specification and design review.  'How can we
guarantee that the species works without a formal definition of what it is?'
lamented one senior observer.  'These things just look like collections of
cells - they just sort of grow.  There's no mathematical model that can be used
to verify it.  I don't see how they ever got it started in the first place.'

Insiders feel that the species can be rescued, but expressed doubt
about its long-term viability.  The estimate of the time needed for a
thorough review of the documentation, writing the formal specifications,
and verifying the genome encoding, expressibility, and environmental
testing, is greater than the lifetime of the universe.

Meanwhile, yet another mutation and alteration of the local laws of physics
will be required to back out of this particular upgrade.  With funding
already stretched, this setback might just spell the end of H.S.

The formally verified Vulcan species, originally slated for production
next year, has been delayed due to a series of technical problems and is
now scheduled for beta testing after the next big bang.

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From: conncoll.bitnet!gateh
Subject: A weird item in the news
Date: 16 Aug 91 04:20:37 GMT

From: [e-mail]

I have read the past several digests with great interest, as the
material from Belgium, the crop circle item(s), and the summarization
of the info relating to the space exploration exhibition and the
possible alien artifacts have provided much food for thought.
Shortly after reading this, I was enjoying my latest copy of _World
Press Review_ (Aug. 1991), a magazine providing world 'news and
views' from non-US sources when I had to read and then re-read one
bit several times to make sure I wasn't missing something.

(In a section pertaining to Persian Gulf events, a brief exerpt from
the _Jerusalem Post_):

        'Saddam again commands one of the most powerful military
        machines in the region... Given his ability to deceive,
        there is little doubt that he will remain in possession of
        nuclear, chemical, and biological [weapons] capability.
        Soon it will not be only visitors from another planet
        who find it difficult to believe that Desert Storm actually
        happened.'

That is the _entire_ quote, exactly as it appears in the magazine,
and it is laid out in such a blase fashion that I can't help but
wonder if the translation is a little off the mark. Given the other
things I had just read, it certainly caught my eye.

Now how does that pop dance tune go again, something like: Things
that make you go Hmmm... ? ;-)

Cheers!  - Gregg

Gregg TeHennepe       | SysAdm, Academic Computing          | Yes, but this
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
Date: 16 Aug 91 00:28:00 GMT

Hi Clark,
   Now, THEROPODS I can believe.  Did you see the wild post from Greg
Lush about dinosaurs and cloning them from DNA, etc.?  Exciting
to consider!

Regards,

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: JASAAF
Date: 16 Aug 91 00:38:00 GMT

Hi Jim,

Did Dr. Richard Haines have anything to say about that Soviet probe,
Phobos 2, which was lost, and seen by all of us on TV (Marina Popovitch
showed photos of it to Don Ecker, Etc).

Thanks,

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: JASAAF
Date: 16 Aug 91 05:23:00 GMT

In a message to Jim Speiser <08-15-91 17:38> Linda Bird wrote:

->Did Dr. Richard Haines have anything to say about that Soviet probe,
->Phobos 2, which was lost, and seen by all of us on TV (Marina Popovitch
->showed photos of it to Don Ecker, Etc).

No, I forgot to ask about that. Maybe next time he logs on here (he
supposedly has a link through ParaNet Alpha-Centauri)

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re:  **** Warning *****
Date: 16 Aug 91 05:40:00 GMT

The dog that senses epileptic seizures might also be senseing changes
in the owners "odor" or changes in the sound of his breathing.
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Cattle Mutilations
Date: 16 Aug 91 05:48:00 GMT

Following is a recent article in the news.  Oddly enough, there was no
mention made of a possible connection to UFO's.  Also oddly enough,
while the people quoted in the article suggest that the mutes have been
an ongoing problem, it is the first article on it in the Phx papers in
quite a while.  Also rather irritating to me is that they allow the
"authourities" to make reference to third hand stuff they have heard
about what satanists do but make it sound like they have some hard
evidence it is satanists.  In all the reports and investigations of
mutes they never seem to track down these supposed satanists
perpetrators.
*
*
Tribune Newspapers
*
Thursday, August 15, 1991    B7
*
   TUCSON - A satanic cult is being
 blamed for the death and mutilation
 of eight cattle and a horse in south-
 eastern Arizona.
  "There have been nine killings and
 mutilations  since  November,"  the
 Most recent On July 20, Bill Allen,
 associate director of the animal ser-
 vices divsion of the Arizona Depart-
 ment of Agriculture, said Tuesday.
   "We  have   evidence  indicating
 satanic activity," he added. "Some of
 the  indications are the removal of
 sexual organs from  cattle  and  the
draining of blood from the body. We
saw that sort of thing."
  Allen said Satanists  might use the
organs for some sort of fetish, and the
blood can be used in a ritual of bap-
tism by blood or drinking of blood."
  Lt. Filiberto Solano, an investigator
and law enforcement officer with the
animal services division, said four of
the carcasses were found in the San
Rafael  Valley  south  of  Sonoita  in
Santa Cruz County. One was found
north of Sonoita in Pima County and
the remainder were found in Cochise
County west and southwest of Sierra
Vista.
  "We don't know the cause of death
of  the  animals.  That's  still  under
investigation," Solano said. "But there
were definitely satanic overtones in
the mutilations.
  "With cows, they took the udder or
part of it, the sex organ and the anus,"
he said. "And on some of them we
found mutilations in the ear and the
tail... One of the animals was a bull.
They took the testicles, the scrotum,
the penis, the anus, the tongue and the
right ear. "
  Solano said investigators are cer -
 tain the mutilations aren't the work of
 predators or scavengers.
  "The body parts have been cut off."
he said. "And those parts are all they
take. There's no sign of blood at the
scene, so apparently they're taking
the blood, too. "
  Investigators have turned up addi-
tional  signs  of  satanic  practices,
Solano said.
  "We've  found  altars  around  the
nearby Huachuca Mountains, altars
made of rocks, " he said.
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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Lear And Others...
Date: 13 Aug 91 09:15:02 GMT


 * Replying to a message originally to Don Ecker

 JH>  >  Oh yes, Little Timmy Bennett is real, and I had the dubious
 JH>  > pleasure of meeting him very briefly at the LA Expo West several
 JH>  > months ago.
 JH>
 JH>   You've *met* him? What a treat. ;-)
 JH>   At least now we know he's not really Wild Bill.
 JH>

(snicker)

Well, I haven't heard anyone on all the UFO echoes say if thy know
where Timmy has been _recently_

Could it be (burp!..)

Maybe he went to Sedona and got whisked up in one of them thar' time
portals...(snicker)

OR

Maybe he got too close to one of them underground entrances and a DERO
grabbed him (double burp!)

Gak! talk about your indigestion...

"How does a Grey spell relief" ?

oh yeah... :-) :-) for the obtuse and clueless

(Sorry..I can't help myself..snicker)

Don "just kidding" Allen

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Crop Circle: Wiltshire,Uk
Date: 13 Aug 91 09:24:03 GMT


 * Replying to a message originally to Linda Bird

 DE> Linda Bird wrote;
 DE>
 DE>  > c.c. and perhaps UFO Magazine will print some (hint, hint)
 DE>
 DE> Well Linda you will be happy to note that the next issue of
 DE> UFO will have a number of stories about the crop circle
 DE> enigma.  Stay tuned.....


Add this one..hopefully neither Mike or Jim Shaffer will have beaten
me to it :-)

This is from Robert Trevelyan and I grabbed it tonight off Usenet:

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Article 1295 of alt.alien.visitors:
-From: [e-mail] (Robert Trevelyan)
-Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
-Subject: Crop Circles in the UK
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 8 Aug 91 18:33:52 GMT
Sender: [e-mail] (Robert Trevelyan)
Organization: IBM AIX Systems Support Centre, UK.
Lines: 79


    On Tuesday of last week an entirely new crop formation appeared
for the first time near West Woods, Lockeridge. From the air this
looks like an enormous fish, whale or dolphin 200 ft long. At each
end straight pathways of flattened crop lead out into the centre of
large rings 60 ft in diameter. The two paths are co-linear and form
the central axis of the formation about which it is symmetrical.
On either side of this great fish-shape are other pathways each slanted
backwards at 45 deg. These have the appearance of flippers, or perhaps
the dorsal and ventral fins of this marine animal.

    Whether this represents a whale, a dolphin or other fish, hooked
between two great rings is not clear. Certainly the elongated tapering
body which which has filled out from a swirled circle at its centre is
something never previously seen. Last Thursday a further identical
formation appeared near Beckhampton, three miles away. One interesting
facet is that the plain ring with a straight path to its centre is one
element of the "unbelievable" pictogram at Barbury Castle, which
Dr Meaden has had to say is a hoax.

    On Thursday a friend of mine was being interviewed for a Channel 4
documentary in the first "whale" at Lockeridge. This proved almost
impossible due to the noise of helicopters and microlights above.
He met Robert Watts who was trying to film the formation for his new
movie at the same time. He is a film-maker who helped George Lucas
produce 'Star Wars' and who made movies like 'Indiana Jones and the
Temple of Doom', etc. His colossal helicopter which roared overhead,
and to which he gave instructions through a walkie- talkie, made the
Robinson my friend was in look like a toy.

    Footage of the Circles will be used in his latest movie,
'Once upon a time in the Universe', which will be released in late 1992.
Above in the helicopter they were using a fabulously expensive VistaVision
movie camera, one of only three in the world. Talking to him later they
discovered that he was extremely knowledgable about the circles and had
a very good insight into the circles nature .
My friend was flattered to hear that he attributed this to some extent
to what he had written in 'The Crop Circle Enigma'. (Published by CCCS)

    In the last few days two more similar formations have appeared in the
Silbury Hill area. The latest ones are smaller and have the end rings over-
lapping the tapering ends of the "fish-body". The two flippers are missing.
One of these formations is near the end of Stone Avenue, an avenue of
menhirs running S. from the great Stone Circle at Avebury. The connection
between the dowsable energy lines which run through this Stone Circle
and along Stone Avenue and the new formations seems undoubted.
This is immediately next to the energy line whose remarkable variations
had been dowsed during the earlier months of this year. And beside this
new formation is a precise semicircle which is also something not
previously seen.

Reports are coming in of circles and larger formations in Cambridgeshire,
Nottinghamshire, Cornwall, Kent, Essex, Buckinghamshire and Hampshire
all of which have been found in the last few days.  There are many
different shapes, some completely new like the strange curly designs
being found near Cheesefoot Head. A quincunx formation in which one
of the four satellites is replaced by a triangle has appeared near
Chequers, a Prime Ministerial residence near High Wycombe. I am told
that the arrow-like triangle points straight at Chequers.

There is a few formations in Cambridgeshire last weekend. Just a simple
pictogram or two at Sutton near Ely where circles have never previously
appeared and a magnificent 200ft diameter ring (10 ft wide) where the
standing wheat in the middle is quite undisturbed. The latter, at Elton,
was found one year to the day after a similar formation in the same
place in 1990. The field where this ring and a smaller ring and circle
are situated is right over the site of ancient Durobrivae, the second
largest settlement in Roman Britain.

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This one would appear a bit different than the last few designs.

Don

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Lear And Others...
Date: 14 Aug 91 05:54:02 GMT


 > Could it be (burp!..)

  Probably (burp).....

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Blue And Green Fireballs
Date: 15 Aug 91 04:49:00 GMT


 > So, is it true that they only take on the blue and green cast when they
 > make huge fireballs, or have you seen a small one with this color?

  I saw a couple of fairly bright Perseids Monday night that looked
greenish to me. My wife said said they looked orange to her, but my
brother-in-law also said they looked green. Could be very related to
individual color perception.
  At any rate, these few certainly wouldn't be considered fireballs.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Date: 15 Aug 91 06:50:00 GMT


 LB> Funny how the folks seeing/handling the alien artifacts
 LB> seem so blase.  Like, "Ho, hum...see what came in today,
 LB> Joe?"
 LB>
 LB> If this is the attitude, why all the secrecy??????
 LB>

Well, although the attitude of secrecy may have it's national security
considerations, it has been done to an extreme in my opinion.

I don't know if you've ever seen this, but if you can get ahold of
a tape called "UFO's are Real", I think you would find it most
interesting. It builds a pretty good case, in my opinion. Wendelle
Stevens,Bruce Maccabee, Stanton Friedman and many others have
segments that help explain in various ways why "all this secrecy"
has prevailed for so many years.

Worth a looksee :-)

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Shattering Assault?
Date: 14 Aug 91 20:18:26 GMT


 >
 > Streiber also speaks of psychic gifts that suddenly appear, unbidden,
 > in people who have UFO experiences:"precognition, apparent
 > telepathy, out-of-the-body perceptions, and even physical levitation.

I found that tolerable as a premise, but the
following jerked me wide-awake...

 > Such people often find street lights mysteriously
 > shutting down as they walk down the street.

Ut-ohhh, that's been happening around me.

 > (One wonders if he had ever seen the 1950's film
 > about modern-day witchcraft, 'Bell, Book, and Candle',
 > in which a novice warlock is able to turn out
 > the street lights as he passes by.)
 >

Great.  How would you like your Bruno?  Well done?

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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Blue And Green Fireballs (was: Re: Fireball Of 1972)
Date: 14 Aug 91 20:29:47 GMT


 >  * Forwarded from "Sci.Space"
 >  * Originally from [e-mail]
 >  * Originally dated 08-06-91 12:10

 > * Do blue and green fireballs always travel north to
 > south?
 > * Has anyone else out there seen a blue and green
 > fireball?
 >
 > Dale M. Greer, whose opinions are not to be confused
 > with those of the Center for Space Sciences,
 > U.T. at Dallas,UTSPAN::UTADNX::UTDSSA::GREER

Yeah, I've seen a green fireball falling in an early
evening sky.  Quite bright, about fall '88, 7:30 pm.

It appearred to be tumbling, tail about three degrees
long, strictly ballistic flight from upper atmosphere.
I heard later that it was a Soviet device, the color
stemming from the alloys used and propellents aboard.

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Cat mutes
Date: 16 Aug 91 06:24:00 GMT

Thanks for that article, Jim. We haven't had a good cattle mute in a while.
This one sounds like a classic.

What are your thoughts on the subject these days? Did you read MUTE
EVIDENCE?

Jim

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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject:  Nevada Crash of Helicopter
Date: 16 Aug 91 19:43:22 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)



Hey Mike,

Still no more news on the crash at the Nevada test site?

Thanks

Greg ([e-mail])





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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Cat Mutes
Date: 16 Aug 91 23:20:00 GMT

Hi, Jim

That was a short, but most interesting article you posted on the
cattle mutilations discovered in SE Arizona. However, the story
does raise some further questions in my mind.

First of all, if the latest mutilation was discovered on July 20th,
why is the story only now being published, almost 4 weeks after the
event? Secondly, if these "killings" (9 in total) have been
occurring since November of '90, why have they not been reported
until now? Perhaps they were, and I am just unaware.

It is also crucial to learn the manner in which the various organs
and body parts were excised. IF these were cult killings, the
wounds should by somewhat irregular in appearance, but not to the
point of displaying tissue tearing as would be the case in
predation. If the wounds were caused by a more adept surgeon using
more sophisticated equipment, this too would be obvious. Since we
are lacking a detailed wound description in this case, it is
difficult to make an accurate determination at this time.

Lt. Solano stated "...We don't know the cause of death of the
animals. That's still under investigation...". Do you mean to tell
me he's been investigating these 9 killings since last November,
and still has not been able to come up with a cause of death? Now
that's a bit hard to believe! The fact that the animal carcasses
and sites of discovery were found to be "bloodless" is of course a
telltale sign of something other than a cult killing.

I'm sure that John Altshuler, M.D. who works closely with Linda
Moulton-Howe, would love to get some tissue samples for analysis.
I hope someone has contacted him. BTW, if any readers have any
further information on this case, Dr. Altshuler's mailing address
is:

John H. Altshuler, M.D.
5700 Dunbarton Drive
Englewood, CO 80111

Thanks for the good work Jim, and keep those eyes open.

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 458

                            Sunday, August 18th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                  NEWS NOTES 15
                                       ACA
                                       ACA
                                       ACA
                                  Alien Liaison
                                  Alien Liaison
                                  New Clipping
                             Who is Lord Hill-Norton
                               **** Warning *****
                                    Communion
                             Philadelphia Experiment
                         Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
                               The UFO Phenomenon
                         MJ-12, The Age Of Aquarius etc.
                         Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
                         Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
                          Banning Political Advertising
                         Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: NEWS NOTES 15
Date: 9 Jul 91 21:31:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "UFO Research Australia"
 * Originally from Keith Basterfield
 * Originally dated 07-09-91 14:29

Sorry, that there haven't been more NEWS NOTES of late but I am starting a new
full time job tomorrow and there's only so many hours in the day!
15.1 For those who may have been following the fantasy-prone hypothesis debate
re UFO abductions I came across a Journal article which might be of interest.
"Psychological Reports" (1990) 66:655-658, carries an article titled "Fantasy
Proneness and Paranormal beliefs" by Dr Harvey Irwin of the University of New
England. The abstract reads as follows:-
"The report of personal parapsychological experiences has been linked with the
personality construct of fantasy proness. It is possible that the factor of
paranormal belief mediates this association. Certainly some data suggest that
paranomral belief is conducive to the report of parapsychological experiences.
This study examined the feasibilty of the other facet of the issue, namely that
fantasy proness facilitates paranormal belief. For a group of 92 adults a
measure of fantasy proness correlated significantly with belief in traditional
religious concepts, psi, witchcraft, spiritualism, extraordinary life forms,
and precognition."
15.2  The "Skeptical Inquirer" Vol 15 Spring 1991 pages 274-280 carries an item
about certain health professionals and "survivor' stories of satanic cults in
the US. There appears to be a number of similarities between UFO abduction
research conducted by some health professionals and ufologists, and satanic
cult research. If anyone wishes a copy let me know.
15.3  The same issue of the 'Inquirer' also has a short piece on the Kecksburg
UFO crash which has featured in recent MUFON Journals. Written by an astronomer
it tells a much different story to the MUFON account.

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Fletcher)
Subject: ACA
Date: 13 Jul 91 02:51:00 GMT

I was wondering how many of you saw A Current Afair yesterday.   It
showed some abductees and Bud Hopkins in interview.   I wonder what
oppinions people have come up with.

Regards,
        Bob.....

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From: [e-mail] (Erwin Cools)
Subject: ACA
Date: 16 Jul 91 11:28:00 GMT

Hello Bob,

* In a message originally to All, Bob Fletcher said:
 > I was wondering how many of you saw A Current Afair
 > yesterday.   It showed some abductees and Bud Hopkins in
 > interview.   I wonder what oppinions people have come up
 > with.
Although I do believe that there has been contacts with beings from UFO's, I
found the people in the ACA interviews a bit hard to take. One person summed
it up rather neatly; frustrated, a bit unbalanced and starving for
attention.
Erwin.

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: ACA
Date: 17 Jul 91 01:22:00 GMT

I saw the Current Affair segment and was a litle disappointed that the
interviewer did not seek to present a segment where there were pro and
con viewpoints. There is quite a debate raging in the US between
competing hypotheses. The views of Budd Hopkins, as expressed in the
ACA segment are not news, they have been around for several years now.
Personally, I would have liked to have seen a segment contrasting ETH
and other hypotheses to explain abductions.

In contrast to the US scene, abduction research in Australia has been
almost exclusively conducted away from the media spotlight.

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Alien Liaison
Date: 18 Jul 91 13:45:00 GMT

If anyone has read the recent book, "Alien Liaison" by Timothy Good,
published by Century Random, of London, I'd appreciate your thoughts
on it. Thanks.

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Chalker)
Subject: Alien Liaison
Date: 19 Jul 91 06:11:00 GMT

"Alien Liaison - the Ultimate Secret" by Timothy Good (242 pages,
Century), is an interesting read, however there is little in the way
of really solid data.  If one uses the scientific criteria that
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence you have the the
claims but certainly not the evidence.
Chapters are as follows:
1. Aerial Confrontation - mainly about pilot encounters, some
interesting material for those of you who have not seen this stuff
before. The chapter ends by getting into pilot John Lear's material re
"a deal" between aliens & the US government.  Good qualifies this
fortunately with the following:
"John Lear's statements have naturally provoked a great deal of
outrage, effectively alienating him from the mainstream of 'serious'
UFO research.  He has now admitted to me that some of his sources have
proved to be completely unreliable and that he has occassionally made
wild and exaggerated statements.  Yet he maintains that the scenario
is basically true.  And in one respect, at least, he could be right."
From this Good launches into the cattle mutlilation saga.
2. A Question of Need? - basically a summary of the "mute" saga.  All
I can say is that if "mutes" are such an integral part of the UFO
phenomenon, why don't we have them happening here.  There is not a
single credible case in Australia to my knowledge.  The Adelaide hills
story of a few years ago has no solid basis.
3. Colorado Breakthrough - this is an intriguing story, but not
original to Tim Good.  If the story is of interest to you consult
the original report in the APRO Bulletin  which is where I read it
back in 1978-79.
4. Alien Dimensions - brings together a number of tales varying in
credibility.  The Nixon letters to contactee Dan Fry are fairly
pointless & irrelevant.  The Gerald Light letter while provocative is
still totally unconfirmed.  Light I gather was an esoteric writer
about whom little is known and yet there are researchers who are
prepared to accept his letter as "fact" and embark on leaps of logic
from there.  The rest of the stories are largely apocryphal.  Reagan's
flirtation with UFOs gets a run.  While Tim Good dwells on the benign
alien dimensions he does at least mention the more "dangerous
liaisons" (the fatalities in Brazil See Vallee's Confrontations).
5. Hardware - largely covers known cases. The Segeant Brown tale is
interesting.  The book repeats Geralsd Anderson's story of being a
young witness to the Magdalena "retrieval", but there appear to be
good reasons to suspect this source.  The Jackie Gleason/Nixon story
gets a run.  In short many rather apocryphal tales get mentioned, some
just rate a passing mention.  Even Australia get a mention with 2
tales - one an early version of the Boulia sphere story (the latter
were identified as Russian hardware) and UFOs coming out of Pine Gap.
other chapters are Project Aquarius, Dreamland, Alien Technology,
Containers, and Cosmic Journey.
I found the book worth reading but it fails to provide a strong case
for "alien liaison".  2 chapters focus on the Bob Lazar saga.
Thankfully Bill Coopers wild tales don't get a look in.  Cosmic
Journey covers Bob Oechsler's strange experiences.  While interesting
there is much that concerned me there.
Thats all I have time for tonight.  If time permits I'll put a
further message up on the book.

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Fletcher)
Subject: New Clipping
Date: 24 Jul 91 05:19:00 GMT

International Express
London 18 July 1991
**********************
SPOTTING THE UFO MADNESS
BY
PETER TORY

It is curious indeed that Lord Hill-Norton, former Chief of
Defense Staff and senior NATO commander, actually seems to
believe that governments are "covering-up" over UFO's.

Of all the people, once in a position to have been aware of such
things, surly it would have been him.   Yet plainly he thinks
that there are departments who know, not only of confirmed
sightings but of even more dramatic evidence.

A UFO expert called me up the other day and said: "They've got
bodies, you know."

Would the distinguished Lord Hill-Norton, former captain of the
Ark Royal, go along with that too?

MIRACLES

Michael Harrington, a reviewer of the latest, plainly daft book
on the topic, Alien Liaison; The Ultimate Secret, recalls how
Carl Jung spoke in 1959 of a religion vacuum in the heart of
modern man.

"In our world miracles do not happen any more, and we feel that
something simply must happen which will provide an answer or show
a way out.....it is, of course, the expectation of a Saviour."

If true, how bleak.   If not, then we had better join Lord Hill-
Norton on his mountain top.

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Fletcher)
Subject: Who is Lord Hill-Norton
Date: 24 Jul 91 05:21:00 GMT

Would anyone have any information on who Lord Hill-Norton is, and
exectly what he has said to upset the conservative 'Express.

It would seem that the paper has tryed to discredit him in some way or
other.

Bob......

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: **** Warning *****
Date: 7 Jul 91 23:31:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo"
 * Originally from Mike Mansfield
 * Originally dated 07-05-91 23:20

     In a recent 'research study' done by UTMB Neuropsychology Galveston on
theeffects of migrane headaches upon lifestyle, a few CURIOUS questions arose,
being that my wife was a participant, she was able to relay this information to
me.  (She had recently been scheduled for a Cat Scan to diagnose unusual
migrane headaches)
  The questionairres were in general, mostly generic, but the following
questions were asked that make me feel *perhaps* something more is being
studied than just headaches...
  1) Have you ever felt you were being watched?
next question was a clincher...
  2) Do you believe in Extraterrestrial life?

I see little reason that such questions should be included in a purely
scientific study unless the medical profession has turned 180 degrees and
suddenly believes in extraterrestrials...

  (still waiting for the results of the Cat-Scan... although I wonder if we'll
get to see what was actually taken, or not...)

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From: [e-mail] (Brad Foenander)
Subject: Communion
Date: 28 Jul 91 07:07:00 GMT


 > Sounds like that would be your best option! GoodLuck, and if
 > you can't find it anywhere else maybe we could organize
 > something, do that you can have a look see.

yeah.. whatever.. I'm back at school again now though which means for the
next 4 months I have virtually no time again.. I've still gotta have a look
around for the video.. time is hard to come by! sheesh!.. dunno where I'm
gonna find the time for this project.. luckily the weight has been lifted
off now. It doesn't count as much!!

 >  > well mine are finally over.. now its party time!
 > Lucky person, I've still got two too go!

and now.. just 5 weeks till the next ones!!! argh!!


Brad

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From: [e-mail] (Kent Raynor)
Subject: Philadelphia Experiment
Date: 29 Jul 91 10:57:00 GMT


* In a message originally to Gavin Gregson, Graham Pyne said:

 > Also I got a book called _The Philadelphia Experiment & other
 > UFO Conspiracies_ by Brad Steiger with Alfred Bielek and
 > Sherry Hanson Steiger.
 >
 > I have had a quick glance at this and it also seems very
 > interesting

 Hello there.  I was just wondering what the basic direction of this book
might be.  I'm very new to this area of interest and one of the first books
I read was by brad Steiger - as I recall it was called "Mysteries Of Time
and Space" - and in it he virtually allowed John Keel to debunk the whole
Philadelphia Experiment as nonsense and the product of one man's (Carl
Allende's) imagination.  Has he now changed his mind?  If you have the time
I would be interested to hear what he (and you) have to say on this matter.

Thank you.
          [KR]

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From: [e-mail] (Kent Raynor)
Subject: Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
Date: 29 Jul 91 11:09:00 GMT


* In a message originally to Graham Pyne, Duncan Roads said:

 > Keely, Reich, The Cosmic Conspiracy by Deyo, Bruce Cathie

Hello there.  I'm fairly new to this area and so my knowledge of some of the
people you've mentioned is quite limited, however I thought I might pass
this on to you for what its worth and get your reaction (if any).

About four years ago, I was driving down to Melbourne from the country and
had the radio tuned to a program called "Australia Overnight". The program
is no longer on, alas, but that night they had on a gentleman who's name I
have unfortunately forgotten, who was talking about UFO's.  The host of the
program invited people to call in and ask questions of the guest and to pass
on their thoughts in the matter.

One caller rang in and asked the guest about Stan Deyo and his "The Cosmic
Conspiracy."  The guest was fairly noncommital about him and the caller then
went on to relate the following story; He said that his older brother worked
at STW-9 in Perth and the Sales Manager there was none other that Stan Deyo.
 The brother asked if he was the same Stan Deyo who ha authored the book and
Deyo admitted that he was.  He also said that at certain times of the year,
publishers are keen on getting " Beach reading material" and that when his
original novel was rejected he simply made up a book he would buy - namely
"The Cosmic Conspiracy".

The guest and the host - Owen Delaney - said that "anything was possible"
and left the matter at that.

Do you know if these assertions are true, and whether Mr Deyo is still in
the book-authoring business?  And what sort of credibility did you think the
book had?

I'd be very keen to hear your thoughts -or anyone else's who might read
this.

Thank you.
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From: [e-mail] (KEITH SONERSON)
Subject: The UFO Phenomenon
Date: 30 Jul 91 04:26:00 GMT

Has anyone purchased the new series of books that Time-Life books are
offering?

The books range from GHOSTS, TELEPATHY, CLAIRVOYANCE, ESP, ASTRAL
PROJECTION, UFOS, REINCARNATION, HUMAN MAGNETISM, BIGFOOT, DREAMS,
MIND OVER MATTER, BERMUDA TRIANGLE, OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES AND
STONEHENGE.

I am interested in mpurchasing them, but wondered whether anyone who
has already purchased them has any comment on their accuracy and
genuinity...

Regards,

Keith Sonerson

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From: [e-mail] (Kent Raynor)
Subject: MJ-12, The Age Of Aquarius etc.
Date: 31 Jul 91 07:54:00 GMT



I'm currently reading through all the MJ-12 and related files in the ParaNet
area here on Zoist, and I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or
opinions to offer?

The files seem a little old - early 1990 seems the most recent - and so I'm
wondering if anything new may have been brought forward to either
discredit or strengthen the veracity of facts(?) stated therein.

Jim Speiser has rated most of the docs as hoaxes or probable hoaxes, but
there seems to be an enormous body of books out there that claim otherwise.

Does anyone know if 'Strawberry Ice-cream' has sudddenly became the  USA's
number one flavour as a result of "Falcon's" (Or was it Condor's?)
revelations about EBE's loving that particular type of frozen food?

Final question - if MJ-12 was supposed to be "Majestic - 12" , why have the
"J" at all?  Wouldn't M-12 be the natural contraction of this name?

             [KR]

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From: [e-mail] (Duncan Roads)
Subject: Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
Date: 30 Jul 91 21:07:00 GMT

Hi there Kent,
Thanks for your message, but I wonder sometimes about such heresay
stories.
I got hold of "The Cosmic Conspiracy" several years ago, when I was in
the book trade.  It is my opinion that the book was definitely
suppressed - for some reason or another - so - so much for "beach
reading" as it did not work.
If you have read the book, you will realise that it contains basic
conspiracy theory stuff on - The Trilateral Commission, the Council on
Foreign Relations, UFO stuff from his own alleged CIA background, Plus
lots of Tesla type anti-gravity research.
He sums the whole she-bang up into a colossal "religious" conspiracy,
ie good vs evil, or God vs Satan, if you like, with us as the pawns in
a cosmic, chess battle for possession of our souls.  (Don't know why
they'd want mine).
Stan Deyo definitely believes what he has written, he did not write it
for "beach reading".
If you want I can give you his phone number in Western Australia, and
if you ring him, you will see for yourself that he is passionate about
what he believes is happening.
He recently wrote another book called "The Vindicator Scrolls".  It
carries on the "conspiracy" if you like.
First up there is a lot of stuff (quoted from the Bible) where he
tries proving that Atlantis existed, but in the Gulf of Aden in the
Middle East somewhere.
The rest of the book is full of amazing "suppressed technolgy", some
of which I believe has been made to work by readers of the book who
tried it out for themselves.
He also has an update on the UFO conspiracy, where he summarises what
Bill Cooper has said about the Secret Government and treaties with
Alien races etc.  He does not really take sides on this issue, but
adds his own personal experiences - if anything they actually dovetail
with what Cooper claims, giving Cooper more credibility.

Both books are extremely hard to obtain.  My opinion is that the
Cosmic Conspiracy was suppressed because of the sensitive
technological information it contained - especially the stuff on Tesla
etc.

If you don't believe that information can be suppressed, think again.
There are government injunctions in place from decades ago, banning
the viewing of many books in our best libraries from being seen by the
general public.  One needs written permission from University Deans or
similar "status" to view these.  (I have experience of this).

Also on the above note, try going to any decent science encyclopaedia,
especially American or Australian ones, and find any references to
Nikola Tesla.  I have a classic one, - the Cadillac Modern
Encyclopaedia - modern, recent and American.  So thick that I need to
lift weights for a few days to lift it - Nikola Tesla's name does not
appear as a listing!

Anyway, enough of this, thanks for the line, and I hope this has been
of some help.
regard

Duncan Roads
Nexus Magazine

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Anthony Nunns)
Subject: Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
Date: 3 Aug 91 21:03:00 GMT

Hi Duncan,
I was talking to Bob Laidlaw recently regarding a book with the
title "Behold a Pale Horse" by Cooper and was wondering if that is
the Cooper book you were referring to that is hard to get. Could you
please give me details on how I can purchase a copy here in
Melbourne as the book shops including the alternative ones havent
heard of it or have it in their most recent publishing listings.
          Also I enjoyed the latest copy of Nexus...I was surprised
to see it for sale in the local seven-eleven store!! In regards to
the article of the Hypogeum in Malta, I visited it last year and
noticed their were boarded off sections as we went through. I did
not hear of any disappearances but since I have relatives there I
will make some enquiries to get further details.
              On a different track... I got a little curious about
the  new legislation regarding the Banning of Political Ads on the
Electronic Media and got a copy of the Background of the proppsed
legislation from th Fed member here,  There are some interesting
facts that should be made public and wonder if you want me to upload
the text Verbatim for your perusal??   Regards...Paul
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From: [e-mail] (Duncan Roads)
Subject: Banning Political Advertising
Date: 6 Aug 91 04:43:00 GMT

Hi there, and thanks for the message.

Yes, I would love to see the text verbatim regarding the banning of
political advertising.

Regarding the availability of "Beyond A Pale Horse" by William Cooper,
you can obtain them from:- The Crystal Cascade,  PO Box 2002,
Strathpine Cntr,  Qld  4500.  Phone: [phone]
or maybe try the Esoteric Sciences Bookshop, 475 Elizabeth St, Sydney
2000  Phone: [phone].

In each case, mention you got the info from Nexus.

Good luck

regards
Duncan Roads

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From: [e-mail] (Kent Raynor)
Subject: Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
Date: 9 Aug 91 11:38:00 GMT


 > Hi there Kent,

Hello There!

 > Thanks for your message, but I wonder sometimes about such
 > heresay stories.
 > Stan Deyo definitely believes what he has written, he did not
 > write it for "beach reading".
 > If you want I can give you his phone number in Western
 > Australia, and if you ring him, you will see for yourself

Hmm, so the part about Stan Deyo living in WA is correct?  And would you
know if by any chance he did/does actually work in sales at STW-9?  If so,
it makes the person's story ery interesting as I had no idea that Stan lived
in Australia, let alone what state he lived in.

 > summarises what Bill Cooper has said about the Secret
 > Government and treaties with Alien races etc.  He does not

Is it at all conceivable that such a treaty could exist today?  With so much
information leaking out of the US -Watergate, IranGate (perhaps the delayof
hostage release), Defense contractors over-billing etc.- how would you keep
something like this secret?  And wouldn't it follow that other governments
must be involved - particularly the Soviets - and how can they keep these
things secret?  (By that I mean the part of some of the related MJ-12 dox
that refer to Aliens requiring human blood and so on.)

 > Also on the above note, try going to any decent science
 > encyclopaedia, especially American or Australian ones, and
 > find any references to Nikola Tesla.  I have a classic one, -

I was reading about Tesla in a 1969/70 vintage edition of Encyclopaedia
Britannica.  Does this count?  And have you ever wondered about the fact
that Tesla was not "one of our boys"?  If he's been an American or British,
he would probably have had several movies and mini-series made about him
already.  Instead we seem to have heaps on the self-perpetuating  publicity
machine, Thomas Edison - who apparently had a team of cameramen following
him around, making 'Edison' newsreels that were screened around the world.
(My grandmother remembers seeing them as part of travelling "picture shows"
in country Victoria during the early 30's).   By that standard, Nikola
Tesla is an unappreciated/forgotten man.   What sort of things about Tesla
would you suggest have been "suppressed"?  I remember reading about his
"World Energy" device and sometthing or other about a "weather controlling"
machine (?)  but apart from that I'm in a position to be educated!

If you can suggest any literature on the above, or that deals with what
we've talked about already, I'd greatly appreciate any reading lists you may
have to offer.

 > Anyway, enough of this, thanks for the line, and I hope this
 > has been of some help.


It certainly has!

Many thanks,
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 459

                            Sunday, August 18th 1991

Today's Topics:

                         Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
                          Banning Political Advertising
                                    Majestic
                         Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
                                    Majestic
                                    Majestic
                       Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
                          Re: A weird item in the news
                                  Re: Bennewitz
                             Re:  **** Warning ****
                         Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
                                  Gravity Waves
                         Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
                          Gravity Waves-Mike's message
                       Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
                      Re: A little fun (from RISKS Digest)
                                Re: Alien Liaison
                              Re: That grey area...
                                 Re: Dale Goudie
            Re: Blue And Green Fireballs (was: Re: Fireball Of 1972)
                                    Valentich
                                    Majestic

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From: [e-mail] (Duncan Roads)
Subject: Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
Date: 10 Aug 91 23:28:00 GMT

Hi there again,

* Re: Stan Deyo working at STW-9, why don't you ask him yourself?
Write to him at PO Box 71, Kalamunda WA  6076.   Ask him everything
else you want to know at the same time.

* Re: Finding an entry on Tesla in Encyclopedia Britannica - Well
done, but compare that entry size with the entry on Edison.  Then
compare the list of patents of Tesla's with the list of patents of
Edison's.  Did you know Tesla gave us AC/DC electricity, and wireless
transmission (radio)?  We are still taught in schools that Marconi
"invented" the radio.  Marconi (who studied under Tesla for a while)
merely took an existing patent of Tesla's and made an use for it.
Tesla sued Marconi in the high court (USA) and won!

* Re: Tesla being "one of ours".  Tesla became an American citizen, a
status he cherished very much.

* Re: How could USA, USSR etc keep alien treaties secret?  Answer: The
same way they keep everything else you don't know about secret.

* Re: What did Tesla invent that would be suppressed?  Well, Tesla
devised a method of transmitting and receiving electrical energy,
with negligilbe loss of energy during transmission, WITHOUT WIRES.
If you take the time to chase these patent numbers up (patent #'s
721790 24/6/1899; 729812 8/9/1899; 725749 1/8/1899) you will find
that the patents exist, but are withheld by the American Military for
"reasons of national security".  There are many other devices too
numerous to mention here.  I suggest you read Dr. Nikola Tesla -
Complete Patents"  Compiled by John T. Ratzlaff, published by the
Tesla Book Company, USA. (1983).

* Re: Reading list of Tesla books.  Contact The Esoteric Sciences
Bookshop, 475 Elizabeth St, Surry Hills, NSW 2010.  Ph: [phone],
or [phone].  Ask them to send you a reading list.  Maybe you
could try the Theosophical Society Bookshop in Melbourne also.


Happy reading

Duncan

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Nunns)
Subject: Banning Political Advertising
Date: 11 Aug 91 06:42:00 GMT

HI Duncan
 >
 > Yes, I would love to see the text verbatim regarding the
 > banning of political advertising.
 >
Ive uploaded the Media Release under MEDIABAN.ASC AND WANT TO KNOW
if you want the background report sent to the Fed MP's to look at.
It basically goes into more detail about the amendments to the
legislation with comments from John Elliot (Who is in favor of the
Bans) and Fitzgerald (from the QLD Royal  Commission) etc
Talk soon.............Paul
ansd thanks for the info on the Cooper Book!!!!!!!!!!
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Nunns)
Subject: Majestic
Date: 11 Aug 91 06:47:00 GMT

Hiya Bob
I was given a book by Hilary called MAJESTIC by Whitley Streiber.
Iread it in a day. Have you read it? Its written in a fiction style
yet haunts me with some facts(??) about the Roswell incident and the
start of MJ-12... Great Book!!!!!!!!!
see ya    paul
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From: [e-mail] (Pierre Nunns)
Subject: Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
Date: 16 Aug 91 07:14:00 GMT


 > store!! In regards to the article of the Hypogeum in Malta, I
 > visited it last year and noticed their were boarded off
 > sections as we went through. I did not hear of any
 > disappearances but since I have relatives there I will make
 > some enquiries to get further details.
Paul,
What's this about the Hypogeum? Didnt we go there as kids? What have
you heard about it. I would love to know.
By the way, you may be interested to read a couple of messages
between Simon James and myself in the New Age message area.

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From: [e-mail] (Pierre Nunns)
Subject: Majestic
Date: 16 Aug 91 07:17:00 GMT

* In a message originally to Bob Laidlaw, Paul Nunns said:
 > Hiya Bob
 > I was given a book by Hilary called MAJESTIC by Whitley
 > Streiber. Iread it in a day. Have you read it? Its written in
 > a fiction style yet haunts me with some facts(??) about the
 > Roswell incident and the start of MJ-12... Great
 > Book!!!!!!!!!
Paul . Any chance of borrowing the Strieber book? I'll swap you for
Communion and the sequel
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Laidlaw)
Subject: Majestic
Date: 17 Aug 91 19:15:00 GMT


 > Hiya Bob
 > I was given a book by Hilary called MAJESTIC by Whitley
 > Streiber. Iread it in a day. Have you read it? Its written in
 > a fiction style yet haunts me with some facts(??) about the
 > Roswell incident and the start of MJ-12... Great
 > Book!!!!!!!!!

Hi Paul,

Sounds very interesting. It seems there are a few books around that
are published as "FACTION" (fiction "based" on facts.).

Anyone know where this can be obtained in Melbourne?
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Date: 16 Aug 91 14:54:00 GMT

In a message to Linda Bird <08-14-91 23:50> Don Allen wrote:
->I don't know if you've ever seen this, but if you can get
->ahold of
->a tape called "UFO's are Real", I think you would find it
->most
->interesting. It builds a pretty good case, in my opinion.
->Wendelle
->Stevens,Bruce Maccabee, Stanton Friedman and many others
->have
->segments that help explain in various ways why "all this
->secrecy"

To Linda: Yes, I have the tape if you want to view it.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: A weird item in the news
Date: 17 Aug 91 06:53:00 GMT

In a message to All <08-16-91 12:22> ncar!YALEVM.YCC.Yale.Edu!conncoll.bA weird

->        Soon it will not be only visitors from another planet
->        who find it difficult to believe that Desert Storm actually
->        happened.'


Could it be a reference to something said in a previous editorial, which got
talked about in Israel but not elsewhere? That's what it sounds like to
me....except that visitors from another planet would be blind if they
couldn't see the burning oil fields....

Jim

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Re: Bennewitz
Date: 17 Aug 91 11:32:00 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

To: Linda Bird

+     'Besides the Philadelphia Experiment, Bielek details additional
+Top Secret 'Black' Projects which could lead to great advancements if
+the 'Powers That Be' would come forward with information bound to
+shock all.'

If you happen to find out what he's talking about, please let me know.  I
wonder if he's got some story we've never heard before, or something old
but little-known.  There are a lot of people and things under the umbrella
of 'alternative technology' that the public has probably never heard of.

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Re:  **** Warning ****
Date: 17 Aug 91 11:32:14 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

To: Clark Matthews

+Jim, this may strain credibility, but...
+
+It happens with people's **plants**, too!  A botanist in California was
+measuring the electrochemical activity of various types of plants.  He had
+them hooked up to simple EEG monitoring recorders 24 hours a day, and he was
+comparing the paper tapes of EEG activity in his plants with daylight cycles
+and other data to see what influence certain factors had on plant growth &
+activity.
+
+Then, one day, the botanist was involved in a car crash several miles from
+his home.  When he eventually got home (much later the day of the crash), he
+looked at his experiment and found that the EEG monitors **had gone wild**
+at the instant of the crash.  ALL OF THE PLANTS REGISTERED REACTIONS.

Doesn't this sort of thing go all the way back to Cleve Backster (sp?) ?
(Maybe what you described *was* Backster, I can't think of the details
right now.)

Actually, I find the plants more credible than the dogs.  The plants, after
all, could simply be acting as a transducer.  The dogs, on the other hand,
would have to have some way of associating thoughts with whatever signals
they receive.

(As far as plants as a transducer for some unknown energy are concerned,
didn't Reich model his orgone accumulators after the cell walls of plants?)

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From: [e-mail] (Don Sudduth)
Subject: Cosmic Conspiracy.. Or Was It?
Date: 17 Aug 91 14:53:00 GMT

>* Re: Finding an entry on Tesla in Encyclopedia Britannica -
>Well done, but compare that entry size with the entry on
>Edison.  Then compare the list of patents of Tesla's with the
>list of patents of Edison's.  Did you know Tesla gave us AC/DC
>electricity, and wireless transmission (radio)?  We are still
>taught in schools that Marconi "invented" the radio.  Marconi
>(who studied under Tesla for a while) merely took an existing
>patent of Tesla's and made an use for it. Tesla sued Marconi in
>the high court (USA) and won!
>
I know this isn't this place for dialogs outside the UFO spectrum.
However, I just had to note that some recent research shows that a
certain Dr. Nathan B. Stubblefield may have invented radio before
both Marconi and Tesla.  The first record of Stubblefield's wireless
invention occurred in 1892.His wireless phone seemingly used an
inductive type system with a large loop antenna.  Since he was
somewhat secretive, his invention was not noticed.
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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Gravity Waves
Date: 17 Aug 91 18:37:00 GMT

Jim,
        Have you seen the message Mike Corbin placed on ParaNet in
which he mentioned those gravity waves over the Persian Gulf and a
related KeelyNet file about Lazar?  If you have NOT, let me know and
I'll get the file for you.
        Also, please jot a note if you DO receive this as it'll be
an easier and less $$$ive means of communicating than CIS.
                                        ==Peggy==
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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
Date: 17 Aug 91 18:42:00 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get in touch with Leslie Watkins, the
author of *Alterantive III*, the book that explains what's been
happening to all the disappearing British scientists?  One source
tells me that the book is extrememly hard to find now and that
Watkins was booked for a guest spot on 21st Century Radio with Bob
Oechsler but at the last minute had to cancel due to illness.
Question if there are some odd circumstances involved in the last
minute cancellation.  Watkins is supposed to be living in New
Zealand now and may be teaching Journalism at a college there.  His
story sounds extremely interesting and I'd like to discuss it with
him re an Omni magazine article.
Anyone have any leads or background info on this?
        Thanks!
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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Gravity Waves-Mike's message
Date: 17 Aug 91 18:43:00 GMT

Again

-Message #6296 - ParaNet UFO Echo
-   Date : 03-Aug-91 21:50
-   From : Michael Corbin
-     To : All
-Subject : Re: Keelynet File, Lazar, Don't Be Duped

 * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
 * Originally from Student Class Account
 * Originally dated 07-31-91 12:02

-From: [e-mail] (Student Class Account)
-Date: 30 Jul 91 18:14:23 GMT
-Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
-Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
-Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors


I am disappointed that more healthy scepticism cannot be found in this
newsgroup.  Seldom found is the article that doesn't swallow government
coverup of dealings with alien beings hook line and sinker.  I would be
more than happy to find that alien beings did exist, and that there has
been contact wih humans, but there has been no information presented here
or anywhere that is not wholly circumstantial. tial.  Also, careful reading of
material presented as fact here (see discussion of Lazar's talk and the free
energy system below) casts considerable doubt on the integrity of their
words.  As for the "Channelers", I will not even dignify them with a
discussion.

First, regarding Lazar:

He claims that he is a physicist whose job was to reverse engineer a gravita-
tional drive system.  It was reported to consist of an element that emits
a weak gravity wave (element 115), a resonance chamber in which standing
gravitational waves are set-up, and a system to amplify those waves.  The
drives basic function is to warp the space-time geometry between the ship's
position and its destination.

In review, let me say that gravity waves have been postulated to exist, but
have never been observed.  (A recent LandSat Photo of the Kuwait Oil fires
is claimed to contain ripples showing gravity waves, but they do not fit any
picture of gravity waves as proposed so far).  In any case, the waves may
or may not exist; let us suppose that they do, and that they have wavelengths
between that shown in the LandSat photos and that proposed by several popular
theories: between a Kilometer or so and lengths of the order of planetary
distances.  A resonance chamber for such waves would have to enclose distances
of half the wavelength.  The ship described by Lazar does not contain a device
of this size.  Also, if the ship is able to warp space-time over large
distances, if it like every other warper ever observed in nature, it would
create a potential well large enough to suck he earth and its entire atmo-
sphere into it.  Very unlikely!  If you couple this with the fact that Lazar
was unable to recall the frequency of the gravity wave which is THE basis for
the entire drive system and all its components, his story appears very
unlikely.
He wasn't able to recall whether the frequency was large or small.

Second, look at the paper presented for the "public good".  The entire basis
for
his generator is based on a situation which is completely UNTRUE.  In fact,
it violates one of Maxwell's equations, and does not work experimentally. The
fact that it does not work experimentally puzzled physicists from the early
1800's until around 1880.  It was easily explained after Faraday's Law was
discovered.  The basic idea is that a disk is placed in a magnetic field,
oriented so that the field lines are perpendicular to the surface of the
conducting disk.  It is then claimed that if the disk is spun, a potential
will develop between the center of the disk and the outside edge.  This is
just plain WRONG.  While it is true that if a potential is placed across
the distance from the center to the outer edge, a current will flow, and
the disk will spin, the converse is not true.  Only in the case of a varying
magnetic field can a potential develop.  (Faraday's Law: Curl of E = -dB/dt).
This is high school physics!  (Well, maybe first year college level).
It is claimed that the potential that develops is the same as when the disk
is attached to the magnet and spun.  I will give him that, but only in that
they are both identically ZERO.

Well, I'm sure that I have put enough flammable material in his posting.
In short, I would love there to be aliens around, but give me concrete proof!
Thanks for your time and please DON'T BE DUPED.

Rusty

PS:  mail at [e-mail] or [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Date: 18 Aug 91 02:07:00 GMT

Hello to Don Allen & Jim Ser,

I'm quite sure I have that film (UFO's are Real) myself -- starts out
with some sort of object flying across a desert-scape at very high
speeds.  It's worth another look-see since it's been a while.

Thanks to you both,

Linda


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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: A little fun (from RISKS Digest)
Date: 18 Aug 91 02:18:00 GMT

Hi,
   Thanks for posting that amusing story about "H.S."  Very cute...

<:-)   Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Alien Liaison
Date: 18 Aug 91 02:45:00 GMT

Hi Keith,
   The July MUFON Journal (which just arrived yesterday!) had a
terrible review of Tim Good's newest book.  I was rather shocked.  They
checked up on some claims of Bob Oeschler, and they were quite
revealing!!  (I've wondered about that guy for some time; MUFON checked
on his claims of employment, etc.)
   Perhaps someone there has a copy of the Journal for you to see...

Regards,

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schuyler)
Subject: Re: That grey area...
Date: 14 Aug 91 15:44:00 GMT

-> SR> 6: gray - that area of matter in the human brain which
-> SR> conceives and accepts concepts and theories pertaining to
-> SR> the reality of alien beings with little regard for proof or
-> SR> factual material

  7: gray - the mindset that refuses to acknowledge even the possibility
     of alien beings despite hundreds of unrelated eyewitness reports.
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schuyler)
Subject: Re: Dale Goudie
Date: 16 Aug 91 02:17:00 GMT

-> In a message to Michael Schuyler <08-11-91 19:01> Michael Corbin wrote:
-> MC> I don't know other than financial reasons.  Dale also was
-> MC> pretty disgusted with the state of affairs concerning
-> MC> UFOlogy.  I lost contact with him over two years ago.
-> MC>
Eureka! I found him. Dale has started up hus CUFON BBS again in Seattle.
Italked with him in the phone a few minutes ago. He includes no echo
traffic at all, but has only files of "verifiable" incidents. You're right
in that he seems disgusted with Ufo-land in general, so I'll just leave it
that. Regardless, his BBS is at: [phone]. It's a tbbs system and
files are downloadable on the first call. FWIW
--Michael
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schuyler)
Subject: Re: Blue And Green Fireballs (was: Re: Fireball Of 1972)
Date: 14 Aug 91 13:54:00 GMT

Re: blue and green fireball
>> Has anyone else ever seen?.....

I and my family saw one that fits this description exactly about three
years ago, flying North to South. It was the size of a penny held at
arm's length. It was seen by maybe a hundred others and earned a brief blip
in the local news media. It was *very* fast, and I may have seen it a total
of a second or less. My family saw it first. We were out on a walk and just
happened to be in the right place. I've always assumed this was just a rock
that was bigger than most and got a little lower in the atmosphere before
it completely burned up. It was definitely blue and green, and i distinctly
rememebr that "flames" were trailing the main body. Although it certainly
*looked* drmatic, i think these are pretty disappointing UFOs. Nobody waved
or anything!
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From: [e-mail] (Pierre Nunns)
Subject: Valentich
Date: 18 Aug 91 06:01:00 GMT

Hi Bill,
Bob tells me you may have a comment to make about the following
question I asked him.

I wondered whether the tapes of air-traffic control interaction with
Fred Valentich at the time of his disappearence were available. If
not, had anyone tried to access them usin Freedom Of Information?

Bob mentioned that you have had some access to data of this sort and
may like to comment. I should note I knew Fred - went to school
(too) many years ago.

I would appreciate any frrdback

I mean feedback...

Cheers

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Nunns)
Subject: Majestic
Date: 18 Aug 91 21:02:00 GMT

Hi there
In regard s to the Streiber book, I have borrowed it from someone
else so I would have to ask about that. In regards to the Hypogeum
in Malta there is an article in the NEXUS magazine(LATEST) . Its
worth getting a copy from the newsagent or even better sub to them.
The editor (Duncan Roads) is a participant on the BB. If you cant
get a copy, I,ll write a brief on it.........paul
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 460

                            Monday, August 19th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                 UFO Dictionary
                                 UFO Dictionary
                                 UFO Dictionary
                                 UFO Dictionary
                                 UFO Dictionary
                                  UFO Info Net
                                  UFO Info Net
                                 UFO Dictionary
                                 UFO Dictionary
                                    Communion
                                 UFO Dictionary
                                    Communion
                                 UFO Dictionary
                                  UFO Info Net
                                 UFO Dictionary
                                Re: Alien Liaison
                       Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
                       Re: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
                            NOTICE OF UPCOMING EVENT
                                 Re: NEW PLANET
                                  CROP CIRCLES
                               Cattle Mutilations
                              Re: GULF BREEZE NEWS
                                Gulf Breeze News
                             Re:  **** Warning *****

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From: [e-mail] (Graham Pyne)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 19 Jun 91 08:10:00 GMT

Hi Bob,

>apparent then, was that there were a group of files that seemed
>to refer to commentaries or rebuttals of material that was not

>there, but could be related to Cooper, Lear, Moore and Friedman.


Yeah I noticed a lot of files that refered to previous Paranet
files that weren't on the BBS. And many implying that previous
information was untrue.

>it just seems that this particular puzzle is becoming clearer.

>Its more fun than reading detective stories!

It's good when things seem to come together isn't it! A pity
we can't read the last chapter first to find out 'who done it'.

RE: KWIC

>This is an effective method, particularly where the material
>consists of text files. Also you can make a shorter database
>just out of a string consisting of the Title, Author, and date.

Make it a bit easier to find what your looking for that's for sure.
 Just out of interest has anyone tried using (have experience in)
an expert system, this might be a useful tool for research.

cya

Graham.

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Vigo)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 21 Jun 91 09:15:00 GMT


 > I was thinking more of an introduction for new users, you
 > know sort of get them interested in the subject. Instead of
 > them becoming bewildered by our messages and the files
 > stating people, places, terms and events that they know
 > nothing about. They could reference the "dictionary" and have
 > a better understanding of what we are talking about. Which in
 > consequence could also be used by us as a reference, etc...

        well it sounds like a good idea.. but if it's zoist exclusive, at
least at first, you may as well automate it to keep it as up to date as
possible..
        there's an external bbs door (don't know many details) which lets
you set up a hypercard like environment, ie an expert system which can be
consulted actively (like an encyclopaedia), passively (by producing computer
collated reports of the extent of the information it has been given [in the
form of paragraphs, articles, etc]), or interactively as a true(sortof)
expert system (much like a realy good relational database)..
the advantages are that it's easily updateable, thus allways current
(information is modular and thus automaticly linked via specified keywords
to the rest of the information-base), it's automatic, and thus quick(so
users can look up explainations of buzzwords etc when they notice them in a
piece of mail, and can then go on to ask for cross references should they
need more information), and that the information can be distributed to other
bbs's or offline users via a downloadable/printed copy of it's automaticly
alphabetized and indexed "infiormation dumps"..
        ok so i'm not that much into the software that i know where to get
this or how much hasstle it's going to be, but i do kno that i've heard of a
system like this running as a door on an IBM pc based bbs.. it's an idea!!
yours truly, paul vigo..

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From: [e-mail] (Graham Pyne)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 23 Jun 91 07:33:00 GMT

Hello Paul,

Thanks for your comments on the UFO dictionary idea. It sounds like a very
good idea. Would you have any more information on this door, where I could
find a copy, which BBS it was on, etc...

Of course we'll need to test it, before even suggesting the idea to Bob
(sysop). Thanks again, I'll try and track this down myself but any
information that may help would be welcome!

cya

Graham.

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From: [e-mail] (Gavin Gregson)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 25 Jun 91 00:17:00 GMT


 Yo!

 > CE3 - is visual contact.
 > CE4 - is physical contact.(abduction, etc...)

 I've had a close encounter of the twenty-second kind, that's when an alien
spaceship dissapears up your... - from "I've never met a nice South African"
by Spitting Image.

 > I doubt that, I still feel most people don't want to hear
 > about this sort of stuff! Some people when you strike up this
 > sort of converstion, try to change the subject.

 Strange isn't it? >:-[ <Paranoid smiley

 > Sounds good to me!

 Me too...

 Cya!

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From: [e-mail] (Graham Pyne)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 25 Jun 91 10:03:00 GMT


 >  Yo!
 >  I've had a close encounter of the twenty-second kind, that's
 > when an alien spaceship dissapears up your... - from "I've
 > never met a nice South African" by Spitting Image.

Is this supposed to be funny!?

 >  > I doubt that, I still feel most people don't want to hear
 >  > about this sort of stuff! Some people when you strike up this
 >  > sort of converstion, try to change the subject.
 >  Strange isn't it? >:-[ <Paranoid smiley

I think it's more that they don't want to hear about something they don't
want to believe! Paranoia is more for the people who believe!

cya

Graham.

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Laidlaw)
Subject: UFO Info Net
Date: 27 Jun 91 22:18:00 GMT

Bob, a friend has just asked me to find out if you have any
information on an amateur radio UFO information net called:

ALFA RADIO INTERNATIONAL DX GROUP

Frequency: 27.525 USB & LSB

operates every Sunday. (time?)

I think he is interested in getting a HAM license. Who should he
contact for this information?

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Fletcher)
Subject: UFO Info Net
Date: 28 Jun 91 17:37:00 GMT


 > ALFA RADIO INTERNATIONAL DX GROUP
 > Frequency: 27.525 USB & LSB

Hi Bob,
        The frequency you have given in on the CB Band not the ham
bands.   I have no news of this.    There was a Ham group in NSW ran
by Sam Voron VK2BVS.   I wrote to Sam and received a reply but it did
not say anything about the UFO group so I was left without an answer.
There is some interest at putting UFO related material on the packet
BBS' but the regulations make it that we cannot have a gateway.

I will answer your other question in the ham area.

Regards,
        Bob......

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From: [e-mail] (Gavin Gregson)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 28 Jun 91 20:13:00 GMT


 Hi there!

 >  > when an alien spaceship dissapears up your... - from "I've
 >  > never met a nice South African" by Spitting Image.
 > Is this supposed to be funny!?

 It is if you know the song...

 > I think it's more that they don't want to hear about
 > something they don't want to believe! Paranoia is more for
 > the people who believe!

 Funny, isn't? Society is totally conditioned into assuming instantly that
ANYTHING to do with UFO's is to be disregarded. You realise that even if you
saw one first hand the chances are that your own family would not believe
you? Weird... Whoever thought up this big scam should be promoted, 99% of
the population wouldn't believe one existed even if one landed in front of
them.

 Oh well, c'est la vie. Cya round!

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From: [e-mail] (Graham Pyne)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 29 Jun 91 14:24:00 GMT


 >  Hi there!

 >  Funny, isn't? Society is totally conditioned into assuming
 > instantly that ANYTHING to do with UFO's is to be
 > disregarded. You realise that even if you saw one first hand
 > the chances are that your own family would not believe you?
 > Weird... Whoever thought up this big scam should be promoted,
 > 99% of the population wouldn't believe one existed even if
 > one landed in front of them.

Unbelievable as it maybe, this seems to be the case! Incredible isn't it,
your own family probably wont believe you! Which reminds me I just finished
watching a preview of Communion on Video. Yes, it is the movie of the book
by Whitley Streiber. Boy did they stuff it up or what, the movie is so
Weird! It's so much stranger than the book it's unbelievable, everyone is
going to treat the UFO phenomena with even less respect after watching this
movie!

Talk again later,

cya, Graham.

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From: [e-mail] (Brad Foenander)
Subject: Communion
Date: 1 Jul 91 03:56:00 GMT


 > Well if Bob doesn't mind me advertising on his BBS! I work at
 > Hartnett Video, which is in Hartnett Drive, Seaford. It's
 > just of Seaford Road. If you live too far away to get there,
 > then I can't help you. Except to say you my try asking at
 > your local Video Shops.

hmmm!.. seaford is just a little bit too far away. I live in the waverley
area, so its at least a 40 minute drive (If I had a car and a license!)

I'll have to check out a couple of the local ones to see if I have any luck
at finding them.. Thanks again for the info!

 > Ya I've got a couple of exams coming up soon too, real nasty
 > ones by the looks of things. :-(

well mine are finally over.. now its party time!

Brad

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Vigo)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 1 Jul 91 09:14:00 GMT

don't kno much more info no the door hypertext program.. but ask around..
perhaps you could even run a simple system based on some of the simpler
programs available in the public domain.. but who knows.. sorry i don't have
more info...
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From: [e-mail] (Graham Pyne)
Subject: Communion
Date: 1 Jul 91 10:27:00 GMT

Hello Brad,

 > hmmm!.. seaford is just a little bit too far away. I live in
 > the waverley area, so its at least a 40 minute drive (If I
 > had a car and a license!)
 >
 > I'll have to check out a couple of the local ones to see if I
 > have any luck at finding them.. Thanks again for the info!

Sounds like that would be your best option! GoodLuck, and if you can't find
it anywhere else maybe we could organize something, do that you can have a
look see.

RE: Exams

 > well mine are finally over.. now its party time!

Lucky person, I've still got two too go!

cya,

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From: [e-mail] (Graham Pyne)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 1 Jul 91 10:29:00 GMT

Hello Paul,
RE: Hypertext Door.

That's O.K. I'll see what I can find out. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.

cya

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Laidlaw)
Subject: UFO Info Net
Date: 1 Jul 91 16:55:00 GMT


 >  > ALFA RADIO INTERNATIONAL DX GROUP
 >  > Frequency: 27.525 USB & LSB
 >
 > Hi Bob,
 >         The frequency you have given in on the CB Band not
 > the ham bands.   I have no news of this.    There was a Ham
 > group in NSW ran by Sam Voron VK2BVS.   I wrote to Sam and

Thanks Bob, I thought it was too high a frequency for Ham radio. It
would be borderline high for an International net, I think, probably
only work in less usual ionospheric propagation conditions. I'll get
back to this guy with your info.

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From: [e-mail] (Robert Cooke)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 30 Jun 91 04:54:00 GMT

Why don't they show spitting image in Australia??? Its one of the best shows
around.

-+-
 # Origin: Science Associates, Perth WA. (9:1037/0)
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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Alien Liaison
Date: 18 Aug 91 17:41:00 GMT

Linda,
        I saw your message about the MUFON journal which checked up
on Bob Oechsler...you mentioned they'd looked into his claims of
employment and other things.  Can you say more?  Did he turn out to
be credible or questionable after the investigation?
        (BTW, what's the journal's address/cost?)
        Thanks!
                                        ==Peggy==
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Date: 19 Aug 91 05:17:00 GMT

In a message to Don Allen <08-17-91 19:07> Linda Bird wrote:
->I'm quite sure I have that film (UFO's are Real) myself --
->starts out with some sort of object flying across a
->desert-scape at very high speeds.  It's worth another

That's the one. A very impressive effort, until they started talking about
Billy Meier....

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
Date: 19 Aug 91 05:20:00 GMT

Hi, Peggy...

I don't have his current address, but I do have a file on tap here at
Zeta-Reticuli that purports to be "the definitive word on Alternative III."
How shall I transport it to you?

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: NOTICE OF UPCOMING EVENT
Date: 19 Aug 91 05:27:00 GMT

Event: NATIONAL NEW AGE AND ALIEN AGENDA CONFERENCE
Place: Airport Holiday Inn, Phoenix, AZ
Dates: September 6-9
Price: General Pass: $115 (<Aug 30) $130 (thereafter)
       Single Event: $20 at door
       Workshops: $40
       Concert: $15

Phone: Tickets: 602-841-4953
       Lodging: 602-273-7778

Among those speakers who will be of interest to the majority of our users:
Capt. Kevin Randle, author, "UFO Crash at Roswell"
Larry Warren, Bentwaters Witness
John Burroughs, Bentwaters Witness
Guy Kirkwood, former AF Capt. who flew secret recon missions to photograph
UFOs (this assumes he is sufficiently recovered from his injuries)

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: NEW PLANET
Date: 15 Aug 91 16:08:39 GMT

I'm not very good with astronomy news, but for some reason the article I
lifted the information from, concludes that this is the first. I have a
feeling that it is not proven yet, so until then, it's just another theory.
Fred Van de Kamp may have theorized he found planets, and maybe he has not
been proven wrong or right, so it stands on it's own merit depending on the
viewpoint. In other words, it's possible he did.

How about 4.1 billion year old rocks, and people still claim that the planet
is under 5000 years old? (I know, lets not continue this, it's just a point.)

As long as I am writing, if you don't have my name on the list for the first
sample issue, it's PO BOX 17052, Milwaukee, WI 53217 Thanks!
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: CROP CIRCLES
Date: 15 Aug 91 16:50:00 GMT

I'm still very suspicious about the crop circles validity. In aprox. the
last year they have gone from swirls and circles to pictographs. The lab that
says there is crystaline change, is some fringe nutritional group. The main
proponents are authors and publicity seekers. I won't say they are all hoaxes
and silliness, but something is still very fishy not to mention the newest
pictures.

Now it's getting to the point of how many are hoaxed and then what about the
rest that have not been proven hoaxes? I don't think many people are even
interested in proving they are not real mysterys, but the supporters are
lobbying awfully hard to validate these as paranormal, UFO related, or
otherwise.

I remember very clearly that one year ago, the number of crops circles that
had associated lights or UFO connections was very small.
Now we have almost all connected with lights and UFO's. Something is very
wrong.

If you remember Crop Circles were almost a non-topic last year, and
considered not UFO related. (of course for us Paranet folks it still fits
either way fortunatly)  While this is not directed at you, I see that you are
more current with related information. Any ideas on why things are changing,
or what's going on here? Sudden change of the phenomenon, characteristics,
results and perceptions is suspect.

I'm not going to be convinced about this on faith alone, or just wanting it
to be true. So tell me where to go <grin> for some better information.
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Cattle Mutilations
Date: 17 Aug 91 06:23:56 GMT


 >   "We don't know the cause of death
 > of  the  animals.  That's  still  under
 > investigation," Solano said.

The cause of death is something I hadn't thought about.
After all, draining of blood and removal of vital organs
would do it. But these "perpetrators" must have some way of
neutralizing or killing the animal before mutilation.

Has anyone found gunshot wounds, presence of chemicals/drugs
on *any* mutilated animal?

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: GULF BREEZE NEWS
Date: 16 Aug 91 07:41:02 GMT


 > So is there any reasonable evidence that what people are seeing
 > is a distress flare in the latest red light events? Or is there
 > something more unexplained than great imagination and hoaxers?

  The investigator told me that in one instance, bits of flaming stuff
(whatever's in flares) fell on cars, and he mentioned that a few
other incidents were found to be probably flares. He also mentioned
that a guy with a lighted kite was caught. But, lest anyone get the
wrong idea, he was saying that *some* of the redlight sightings were
flares; a minority, not all.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Gulf Breeze News
Date: 16 Aug 91 07:50:03 GMT


 > Thanks for the update.  I would be curious to know how they
 > determine which are the results of red-light flares and the real
 > sightings?

  See my reply to Pete Porro for part of it.
  It appears that in the case of parachute flares, they drift with the
wind, descend, and eventually just plain go out.
  In the case of "real" redlights, they appear to have certain
different characteristics. They have been seen to hold still, not
drifting or descending, and have been seen to move upwind. Another
characteristic is that there's a steady red light, then a bright white
flash, then darkness.
  I suspect, although I can't confirm it, that the "real" redlights
are at a much greater altitude than flares could be fired from the
ground. Of course a flare could be dropped from an airplane, but the
airplane would most likely be seen and heard.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re:  **** Warning *****
Date: 16 Aug 91 07:54:04 GMT


 > I just had to reply to your message about the brain.  On last
 > week's episode of "Prime Time Pets," there was a story about a
 > dog who could sense when his owner was about to have an
 > epileptic seizure.  What's more, this situation apparently isn't
 > unique!

  Maybe the epileptics move or behave in certain ways that the dogs
have learned is followed by a seizure. Dogs commonly anticipate their
owner's commands. My dog usually does.

                                           jbh

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 461

                           Tuesday, August 20th 1991

Today's Topics:

                             Re:  **** Warning *****
                                 New UFO Titles!
                                   Re: (none)
                               Aug, 1984 fireball
                                   Gulf Breeze
                                     survey
                                      ussr
                                  Re: CONTINUUM
                        Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
                                 Re: The Coverup
                                   UFO Talk...
                                Re: Alien Liaison
                       The Atlantic Monthly - August Issue
                                  SHUTTLE UFO's
                             Re: Cattle Mutilations
                                   Re: survey
                                      ussr
                       Re: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
                               Re: New UFO Titles!
                             Re: Aug, 1984 fireball
                                CONTINUUM Mailing
                                 Epilepsy & Dogs
                                  SHUTTLE UFO's

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From: [e-mail] (James Nugent)
Subject: Re:  **** Warning *****
Date: 16 Aug 91 20:23:00 GMT

Clark,

This was quite an unexpected message.  I had a mild migrane for the last few
days.  It has finally subsided or is just waiting for another stealth attack.
I've noticed some changes in brain activity during and after migranes.
During them I become quite a lucid dreamer.  I have found that during and
after migranes or some sort of great stress I experience an abundance of
what I will call psychical impressions.  I think most people sometimes dream
of things that will come in the future but there are those as myself that
often have hints of minor and occasionally major events which will happen
sometime after the dream.
The thing that ties migranes to these psychic impressions is that I also
have them when I am awake while I have migrance of some other type of
physical or emotional stress.  I don`t think this singles migranes out as
the cause of psychic or other phenomenon.
If you have ever had a migrane you would understand just what it can do.
I have had them for days at a time and they some have been so intence as to
affect other mental and physical processes.
Imagine being hit in the head a half-dozen times with a baseball bat and
then having all the blood rush there and create an imence throbing pressure
in your head.  Doesn't sound pleasant does it?

For all practical purposes I can see no reason to have questions about
extra-terrestrials in relation to migranes on any questionaire.  I have no
knowledge of any possible correlation.  There is a very slight possibility
that all of those people who have experienced UFO related phenomenon all
suffer from delusions created by migrane headaches.(hehe)
Migranes can create dilusions though.  I have not experiences anything vivid
during a migrane.  Sometime I have mood swings and afterward there is a kind
of peace(void) in my mind.  My mind becomes quiet.

I hope that this helps.

Best,
James

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: New UFO Titles!
Date: 17 Aug 91 23:28:50 GMT


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From: [e-mail] (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 14 Aug 91 22:27:14 GMT

While I know you were attempting humor in your post suggesting that we create a
lexicon, I find the idea not without merit.  Are you interested in making a
SERIOUS attempt at doing this?

Doug Rogers
Echo Co-Ordinator

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From: [e-mail] (Danny Brandenburg)
Subject: Aug, 1984 fireball
Date: 15 Aug 91 05:50:27 GMT

>I saw a large blue and green fireball once.  I don't remember the year,
>except that it had to be sometime after I was married in June '84 but
>the date would have been August 11 or 12 because we were going with


Michael,

     That is a great coincidence.  I remember distinctly that on August
10, 1984 at somwhere between 9:30 to 10:00 pm there was a large fireball
, with similar description, flying over my house.  At the time, I was
sitting at my desk in front of a large window.  Suddently, something
grabbed my attention.  As I looked out the window, I saw a large
light blue-green sphere flying west to east.  Automatically, I ran out
of the house and in to the front yard in time to see it fade behind the
trees.

     I lived in a small rual area in east-central Kentucky.  The area
was not extremely populated so there were not many reports of the
sighting.  However, I do know of at least two other that saw the same
thing.

     What are the chances of the object either being the same thing?
Were there any reported or scheduled showers for that night?  I am
clueless.

           Danny Brandenburg


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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Gulf Breeze
Date: 18 Aug 91 05:45:00 GMT


  The following is an excerpt of a letter to the editor of Orbiter Magazine
written by Bruce Maccabee on July 19, and an open letter of rebuttal by Rex
Salisberry dated August 6.
  It's no big major deal, but Rex asked me to publish his letter on our
nets. When I can, I'll contact Bruce to see if he has a response.

  From Bruce's letter.....

  While doing the research for my paper I found that over a dozen people
have claimed to have seen the object that appears in Ed's photos. Some are
well-known (Charles and Dori Somerby, Jeff Thompson, Billy Zammit, Fenner
and Shirley McConnell, Arthur and Mary Hufford, Truman Holcomb) and others
are less well-known (several wish to remain anonymous). However, one of the
witnesses was a complete surprise to me. Unfortunately I didn't discover
his testimony until after I had completed the MUFON paper so his name is
not in the list of witnesses in that paper. During an interview for the _A
Current Affair_ TV show that was aired in early 1990, he compared what he
saw to "Ed's craft." He said, "what he (Ed) had on the photographs looked
exactly like what I saw." Who was this surprise witness? None other
than.....Rex Salisberry.

  From Rex.....

  AN OPEN LETTER TO BRUCE MACCABEE

Dear Bruce,

  It has recently come to my attention that you have been spreading the
false story that I have "testified" to having seen a UFO which resembled
"Ed's craft." You cite as your source an interview for the _A Current
Affair_ TV show that was aired in early 1990. As you should well know, the
context of my comments for that interview dealt with the red light sighting
at the Pensacola MUFON meeting in September 1989. My comments in that
regard were accurate. The dim red glow which I saw in the sky did resemble
the dim red image on the photograph allegedly taken by Walters outside of
the meeting place that night. Charles Flannigan and Gary Watson were also
involved with the subject interview which was conducted in Flannigan's
home. Both of these individuals should be able to confirm the context of
the interview. Copies of the unedited video tapes of the interviews are
also available to refute your flase claims.
  I have never seen, nor have I claimed to have seen, an unidentified
flying object which resembled any of the photos shown in Walters' book. I
have seen the UFO model which was found in the attic of the Walters' former
residence and it does resemble some of the photos in the book. Perhaps this
may have caused some of your confusion.
  Dr. Willy Smith, Mr. Phil Klass and others have assured me that, down
through the years, they have considered you to be a man of high
professional integrity. If they are right, I believe that it would be
appropriate for you to publicly correct the false assertions which you have
been making. A letter of retraction printed in the MUFON Journal would be a
good start. I will not ask for an apology from you, but will just chalk the
whole issue up as another of your mistakes.

                                        Sincerely,
                                        Rex C. Salisberry

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: survey
Date: 18 Aug 91 05:54:00 GMT


  A little survey.....short, concise answers please.

 Do you believe that the Ed Walters photos are real or hoaxed? Why?

 Do you believe that the Ed Walters case is true? In part true? Hoaxed?
 Why?

 If you think that the Ed Walters case is true, do you think that the
debunkers should be held legally accountable for their efforts to disprove
it?

 If you believe that the Ed Walters case is a hoax, do you think that the
"true believers" should be held legally accountable for their participation
in perpetrating or aiding in continuing the hoax?

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From: [e-mail] (Danny Brandenburg)
Subject: ussr
Date: 18 Aug 91 08:54:45 GMT

I just read in the Paranet/Hynek Ratings on UFO cases.  I noticed that
the Voronezh, USSR sighting was recently upgraded.  I remember hearing
about it on the radio and getting a AP feed (I worked for a newspaper at
the time).  Then, suddenly, I assumed it was a hoax due to what all the
news wires had to say.  Can anyone explain better what happened there
and or direct me to the proper references?

                       Thank you much,

                       Danny Brandenburg


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From: [e-mail] (John Hrusovszky)
Subject: Re: CONTINUUM
Date: 17 Aug 91 18:45:33 GMT

CM> Hi John.  You're on the mailing list for the first issue -- but
CM> we're experiencing delays on this end.  Thanks for your patience.

Thank you.  Looking forward to it!



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From: [e-mail] (John Powell)
Subject: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
Date: 18 Aug 91 01:21:04 GMT

In a message to stl-06sima.army.mil!wmart <10 Aug 91 04:40>
Clark Matthews wrote:

 CM> But what if they come from the past?  Toward the end of the
 CM> Cretaceous, there was a very interesting little brachiopod that
 CM> had a brain bigger than a dog's.  It walked upright and evolved
 CM> an opposed thumb.
 CM> Now consider:  the entire span of human evolution spans about
 CM> 2-1/2 million years.  The Cretaceous period lasted tens of
 CM> millions of years.  In fact, the extinction of the dinosaurs may
 CM> have taken longer than the entire period of human evolution.
 CM> What if the smart little brachiopod grew up into a sentient
 CM> critter like the model that was on display at the Smithsonian?
 CM> What if the *dinosaurs* mastered time travel?

You don't even need time travel for this scenario.  2.5 million years is a heck
of a long time and these critters could have just grown up and moved on a very
long time ago...

Thanks, take care.
John.

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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Re: The Coverup
Date: 16 Aug 91 20:13:29 GMT


 > Hello Kurt,
 >    I have the article ready to send and will "snail"
 > it out to you tomorrow!!
 >
Thanks Linda, I'll write back upon receipt with
an impression or two....

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From: media-lab.media.mit.edu!kjohnson
Subject: UFO Talk...
Date: 19 Aug 91 14:30:21 GMT

From: Keith Johnson <[e-mail]>


Greetings to all serious UFO researchers  -

I'm fairly new to this internet newsgroup/bboard but I am impressed with the
dedication of those who have researched this phenomena thoroughly.

I just, myself, recently, purshased a new VCR (VHS) player and am eager to
view any UFO sighting/tapes that might be ab  available.  Does anyone out
there either have a tape that I could borrow or even purchase?

Also, if there are sources where I can locate some tapes, I am interested in
starting a private library to help in my own personal research.  Please email
me at [e-mail] if you know of such info ...thx.....

Keith Johnson
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Alien Liaison
Date: 19 Aug 91 07:15:00 GMT

Hi Peggy,
   Got your message re:  Bob Oeschler.  My MUFON Journal is downstairs
and my eyeballs are falling out.  I'm just looking at personal mail for
now.  Let me see what I can pull together for you in a day or so.

  Sleepiest regards,

Linda   (ZZZZZZZ....)
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From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked
Subject: The Atlantic Monthly - August Issue
Date: 19 Aug 91 23:15:56 GMT

From: Mike Dobbs <[e-mail]>

There is a ten page article in the current issue of The Atlantic
Monthly magazine called 'The UFO Experience'.  It is written by James
S. Gordon who is a psychiatrist who attended Leo Sprinkle's Rocky
Mountain UFO Conference in Laramie, Wyoming.  It is worth while
reading.

On another topic...  Linda Moulton Howe has just completed a 1 hour
TV show through Henry Winkler Productions for the FOX network.  I am
not sure of the title although I think it is something like 'Mysteries
of the Unknown'.  Fox could not give me an air date as of yet so keep
checking your TV listings.  The show is supposed to be on UFOs and
recent cattle mutilations.

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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: SHUTTLE UFO's
Date: 20 Aug 91 03:22:00 GMT

The following article is reprinted from the Chicago Sun-Times
Monday, August 5, 1991:
_________________________________________________________________
UFO NEAR SHUTTLE PUZZLES NASA SCIENTISTS
       by Jeff Franks (Reuters)

Neither a bird nor a plane nor even, apparently, Superman, the
identity of the mysterious object that floated beside the shuttle
Atlantis earlier in its mission continues to elude NASA officials.

The object, about 5 feet long and slightly resembling a car bumper,
was videotaped by the astronauts Saturday as it sailed along
between the shuttle and Earth.

A NASA spokeswoman said Sunday that the object was no longer
visible from the shuttle. But the mystery remained.

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration believes the
object was nothing more than debris lost during the deployment of
a communications satellite Friday, but acknowledges it cannot be
certain what was out there.

Nearly identical objects have been seen on previous shuttle flights
from which satellites were deployed, flight director Phil Engelauf
said.

He said at a Sunday news briefing at Johnson Space Center in
Houston that NASA engineers are still scratching their heads over
the object.

"We looked at the tape again and again last night and compared it
to videotape from another mission", Engelauf said. "Except to say
it looks identical to the debris we saw before, I can't give you
anything new."

Whatever it is, he said, it has not interfered with previous
missions or threatened this one.
_________________________________________________________________

That's all folks...  Sheldon

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Cattle Mutilations
Date: 19 Aug 91 17:41:00 GMT

From what I've read, they don't seem to be able to pin down a specific
cause of death in very many cases, if any.  Also, in many cases they
can't even find footprints around the animal from the killers.  They
often blame Satanists yet I don't recall a single instance of the
supposed satanists ever being caught or of them even identifiying
potential suspects.
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: survey
Date: 19 Aug 91 21:31:00 GMT

In a message to all <08-17-91 22:54> John Hicks wrote:

->  A little survey.....short, concise answers please.
->
-> Do you believe that the Ed Walters photos are real or
->hoaxed? Why?

Hoaxed. See photo #6.

-> Do you believe that the Ed Walters case is true? In part
->true? Hoaxed?

Hoaxed.

-> Why?

Same response. His case is based on his photos and his testimony. Since
photo #6 is a palpable hoax, I have no reason to believe his testimony.

-> If you think that the Ed Walters case is true, do you think that the
->debunkers should be held legally accountable for their efforts to disprove it?

If it turns out to be true, I think any debunker who made any overt
statement that turned out NOT to be true should be held liable. I include
myself in that statement. I also think Dr. Willy Smith should be held
accountable, if not legally, at least to the rest of the UFO community,
REGARDLESS of the outcome.

-> If you believe that the Ed Walters case is a hoax, do you think that the
->"true believers" should be held legally accountable for their participation
->in perpetrating or aiding in continuing the hoax?

Those who can be proven to have willfully and knowingly participated in the
perpetration of a hoax should have whatever applicable charges filed against
them...although technically it is not a crime to perpetrate a UFO hoax, as
far as I'm aware, there may be ancillary crimes involved.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: ussr
Date: 19 Aug 91 21:34:00 GMT

In a message to All <08-18-91 01:54> Danny Brandenburg wrote:

->I just read in the Paranet/Hynek Ratings on UFO cases.  I
->noticed that the Voronezh, USSR sighting was recently
->upgraded.  I remember hearing about it on the radio and

Danny:

Its not that there's any real GOOD evidence regarding Voronezh, its just
that we came across some reliable reports that indicate the evidence isn't
quite as BAD as we once thought. Apparently there was a spate of legitimate
sightings, culminating in the media circus that we heard about over here. My
sources include Antonio Huneeus and articles in UFO Magazine.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
Date: 20 Aug 91 05:54:00 GMT

Hi Peggy,
   Perhaps I read the file on Alternative 3 that Jim Speiser just
posted, but I believe the author has said that the story was meant
as a joke, but that people tookd it seriously, and the story some-
what ran away with itself....

   Keep us posted!

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 20 Aug 91 06:06:00 GMT

Hi Paul
   Would you happen to carry a book by Jacques Vallee called
MESSENGERS OF DECEPTIONS.  It may be out of print.  (boo hoo)
  Thanks,
          Linda Bird
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Aug, 1984 fireball
Date: 20 Aug 91 06:12:00 GMT

Hi Danny
   In your message to Mike Corbin regarding the fireball:

   The yearly Perseid Meteor Shower occurs right around August 10,
and it could be that this fireball was part of that.

   We live in an area that gives  good views of the night sky with
little light interference.  Last week my husband and I had a ball
watching the Perseids.  They can last for several days.

   Just wondering......

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: CONTINUUM Mailing
Date: 20 Aug 91 12:05:00 GMT


 >
 > As long as I am writing, if you don't have my name on the
 > list for the first sample issue, it's PO BOX 17052,
 > Milwaukee, WI 53217 Thanks!

Hi Pete.  Actually, your name was on the list that I was
maintaining here, which is being forwarded to Michael Corbin.

 > I'm not very good with astronomy news, but for some reason
 > the article I lifted the information from, concludes that
 > this is the first. I have a feeling that it is not proven
 > yet, so until then, it's just another theory. Fred Van de
 > Kamp may have theorized he found planets, and maybe he has
 > not been proven wrong or right, so it stands on it's own
 > merit depending on the viewpoint. In other words, it's
 > possible he did.
 >

I'd have to check on this, but I believe that Van de Kamp may
have won a Nobel Prize for his observations re: Barnard's Star &
its "planets".

To my knowledge, there has been no direct observation of any
planet or planetoid outside our own solar system.  So neither Dr.
Van de Kamp nor the Harvard folks have been able to show us film
at 11...

Best,
  Clark


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Epilepsy & Dogs
Date: 20 Aug 91 12:14:00 GMT


 >   Maybe the epileptics move or behave in certain ways that
 > the dogs have learned is followed by a seizure. Dogs
 > commonly anticipate their owner's commands. My dog usually
 > does.
 >

Then again, epileptic seizures are characterized  by general,
cascading discharges of synapses throughout the entire brain
(grand mal seizures are, anyway).  Such discharges would create
characteristic EM fields.  Maybe the dog's brain receives the
signals?  "Hears" the grand mal episode before its actual onset?
Without actually seeing or hearing the human in the throes of the
seizure?

For that matter, maybe your dog "hears" you thinking about your
commands before you vocalize them...

This whole subject is fascinating & we're just scratching the
surface with hard evidence.  Electrochemical brain activity is
is highly individualized and very unique.  In can vary
drastically when the same person says the same thing in two
different languages.  I.e.: "Bonjour" produces totally different
discharge patterns from "Guten Tag", "Good Morning", "Hi ya'll!",
etc.

I keep thinking of old Tesla, who said (with his quixotic smile)
that radio, sound, microwave & other radiations were all really
the same thing -- and he could hear most of them!!!

Best,
  Clark


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: SHUTTLE UFO's
Date: 20 Aug 91 12:23:00 GMT


 > Neither a bird nor a plane nor even, apparently, Superman, the
 > identity of the mysterious object that floated beside the shuttle
 > Atlantis earlier in its mission continues to elude NASA officials.
 >
 > The object, about 5 feet long and slightly resembling a car bumper,
 > was videotaped by the astronauts Saturday as it sailed along
 > between the shuttle and Earth.
 >

Sheldon, I understand that the bumper-shaped objects were
determined to be ice -- the result of rainwater accumulation in
the aft part of the shuttle bay doors.

 > Nearly identical objects have been seen on previous shuttle flights
 > from which satellites were deployed, flight director Phil Engelauf said.
 >
 > "We looked at the tape again and again last night and compared it
 > to videotape from another mission", Engelauf said. "Except to say
 > it looks identical to the debris we saw before, I can't give you
 > anything new."
 >

Possibly caused by water accumulation before those launches?

Best,
 Clark


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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 462

                          Wednesday, August 21st 1991

Today's Topics:

                                     (none)
                             ball lighting & crop circles
                                 Meaden's Letter
                                Re: Alien Liaison
                       Re: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
                                  Re: Cat mutes
                             Re: Cattle Mutilations
                                 Re: UFO Talk...
                     Re: The Atlantic Monthly - August Issue
                          More on astronaut James Irwin
                      Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
                                    Majestic
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: (none)
Date: 20 Aug 91 19:20:00 GMT


 > From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
 > Date: 16 Aug 91 19:43:22 GMT
 > Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 > Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >
 > From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)
 >
 >
 > Subject:  Nevada Crash of Helicopter
 >
 > Hey Mike,
 >
 > Still no more news on the crash at the Nevada test site?

Awaiting news clippings from my source.  The crash was covered by the
newspaper there, but no mention of anymore about what caused it.

Mike

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From: watson.acc.Virginia.EDU!JBB
Subject:      ball lighting & crop circles
Date: 20 Aug 91 21:38:27 GMT

From: [e-mail]

Folks - the following newspaper article may be of interest to you:

                          ****************

The following copyrighted article appeared under the Science/Physics
heading (page A3) of the Washington Post for Monday, August 19, 1991.

Against the Grain: Acts of Nature, Spacecraft or Crafty Humans? Crop
              Circles Cultivate Range of Explanations

          by Jim Schnabel, special to the Washington Post

                                                        Oxford, England

Every summer, to the delight of mystics and the chagrin of farmers
across the globe, strange circular patterns are swirled into fields as
stalks of grain are flattened in patches and swaths. The precision,
symmetry and often tantalizing complexity of these 'crop circles,' as
they are called, have convinced many that intelligent beings must be at
work - either human hoaxers or saucer-flying aliens.

But both hypotheses are wrong, according to Terence Meaden, a former
physics professor who is now a full-time crop-watcher in circles-prone
southern England. 'Hoaxers are certainly active,' says Meaden, "but
crop circles are essentially a meterological phenomenon.'

Meaden thinks crop circles are causes by downrushing whirlwinds of
partially ionized air, typically spun to life from the tuburlence of
weak frontal systems as they pass over low hills. He calls the spinning,
glowing air masses 'plasma vortices.'

While crop circles have been seen in many countries and records go back
to ancient times, southern England seems to be a hotbed. Meaden attri-
butes this to its crop-covered hilliness and proximity to front-causing
sea breezes.

Concidental reports of glowing spheres, sometimes called flying saucers,
are accounted for in Meaden's theory by the coronal glows, mirage-like
glimmers and occasionally saucerish shapes that plasma vortices are
thought to possess. Meaden even sees a Neolithic link, arguing that
southern England's round barrows and stone circles, such as Stonehenge,
represent ancient homage to the same meterological phenomena that awes
so many today. 'Those who believe in an extraterrestrial explanation,'
he says, 'haven't made any progress in 5,000 years.'

Naturally, Meaden's views have drawn fire from those who see circles
as the work of extraterrestrial beings. 'Plasma vortex' is a technical
term invented by Meaden to cover something he doesn't understand', says
Pat Delgado, co-author of several books focusing on the otherworldly
nature of the phenomenon.

Fear of being relegated to the scientific fringe has tended to keep
academics well away from crop circles research, and without strong
academic backing, Meaden's theory has been slow to take hold.

But that my soon change, thanks to Yoshi-Hiko Ohtsuki, a professor of
plasma physics at Tokyo's Waseda University. 'Crop circles are a natural
phenomena,' he asserts. 'They are caused by the plasma vortex. They are
not caused by spaceships.'

Already a minor diety in Japan, where his work on the odd but widely
reported phenomenon of 'ball lightening' has made headlines, Ohtsuki
recently raised eyebrows among physicists worldwide with his creation
of ball lightening in his laboratory 'plasma chamber.'

As described in a paper in the journal Nature, Ohtsuki's 'plasma fire-
balls' could glow for hours in ordinary air, powered by nothing more
than a souped-up microwave oven. More important, Ohtsuki's fireballs
exhibited several key talents ascribed to natural ball lighting - and
UFOs - such as the ability to hover around metal objects, to move
against a flow of air and to pass ghost-like through non-metalic
obsticles. A doubting scientist who reviewed the Nature paper before
publication was convinced only after Ohtsuki sent him a video. Ohtsuki's
next submission to Nature may well deal with crop circles.

He got hooked on the phenomenon a few years ago, after noting the
apparent connection between reports of ball lightning, UFOs and circular
damage in fields. Even ancient Japanese folktales suggested the link -
he cites one in which kimono-clad maidens are said to descend from the
night sky to dance in the rice paddies.

Ohtsuki's fireballs seem to do a similar dance. 'Good news!' he re-
cently wrote Meaden. 'We succeeded in creating the circles effect on a
thin aluminum power distributed over a metal plate set in our plasma
chamber. These circles range from 2 to 10 millimeters with ring! You
can see our photographs. So, your idea has been confirmed experiment-
ally!' Ohtsuki also reported finding similar bull's-eye images
inscribed on sooty walls near a power station transformer, and near
the electric rails of the Tokyo metro system.

The news has shaken the extraterrestrialists, but for the moment they
are standing their ground. They note that in recent summers, crop
circles have become ever more ornate, with ringed clrcles linked by
broad lanes, or flanked by rectangular swaths, or sprouting claw-like
appendages.

HOAXES and SUNSPOTS:

Meaden and Ohtsuki attribute the rise of the more elaborate formations
to two causes. First, there has been a dramatic increase in proven
hoaxes. Second, last year was a peak year for circle frequency and
complexity and it was also the peak of the 11-year susspot cycle. Solar
windstorms and their still-mysterious effects on weather, says Meaden,
might have contributed to the recent odd formations.

Ohtsuki's plasma vortex theory relies on very sophisticated physics
involving what are called three-dimensional, nonlinear Schrodinger
equations. The model suggests that certain atmospheric conditions can
cause the formation of a spinning mass of air molecules from which
electrons have been ripped loose, leaving them as ions. The spinning
ions would be similar to an ordinary vortex such as a dust devil or,
on a larger scale, a tornado. Surrounding the core are layers of free
electrons. Enclosing all of this is a corona of glowing ionized air,
called plasma. The entire mass may be spherical, discoidal or even
cylindrical.

COMPUTER-AIDED MODEL:

The electron and plasma layers confine an intense field of microwave
energy, thought to arise under certain rare atmospheric conditions.

When this glowing, spinning, humming 'plasmoid' descends on a wheat
field, according to Ohtsuki's supercomputer-calculated simulations,
several things happen. The forces push down a central circle of stalks,
swirled by the ion core, while the surrounding shells of electrons and
plasma layers blow down concentric rings of stalks.

Ohtsuki's model is formidable and more quantifiable than Meaden's, and
the various plasmoid shapes it allows seem to be in accord with various
eyewitness accounts of luminuous spheres, disks or tubes descending and
swirling out circles of grain stalks.

But as theories go, it is far from complete. For one thing, there is
little evidence of a natural source of microwaves powerful enough to
work. For another, although it is easy to see how whirling ions could
knock down crops, it is hard to see how electrons could do it - an
electron having one-fifty-thousandth as much mass as the most common
ionized air molecule, nitrogen. And, of course, a plasmoid with a dense
ion core could not go through walls. Ohtsuki's theoritical model thus
disagrees with his own laboratory creation.

Nevertheless, he remains confident that a solution will eventually be
found, perhaps through some as-yet-undiscovered elaboration of his
model. To push his model further, Ohtsuki is planning to simulate rural
southern England in his plasma chamber, adding miniature hills, minia-
ture sea breezes, and miniature fields of crops. He'll be watching for
miniature crop circles.

                     ******* end article ********

It may be interesting to see what Ohtsuki's miniturization produces. One
get's the feeling though that Ohtsuki and Meaden have never encountered
the infamous 'kleugelblitz' in all it's raw glory. I have, and here's my
story:

Five years ago, on a typical Saturday afternoon during a typical summer,
I had just hung out some freshly washed jeans and a few essentials on
a clothes line outside my bedroom window. That day all the windows and
doors were open to gather as much of the slight eastward breeze into
the house as possible for a local weather report had indicated a temp-
erature expected to hover in the mid-eighties for most of the after-
noon.

My house lay in a shady hollow near the campus of the University of
Virginia, the property abutting the Southern Railway tracks southbound
out of Charlottesville. It was approached by a long, sloping driveway
from the street above. The tracks themselves were elevated somewhat -
about 20 feet, I'd guess - above the lower reaches of the property and
formed a barrier that contained the flow of cool air from the heavily
shaded residental areas above. It was a natural form of air-condition-
ing and I was very happy in the summer to be living with such an effi-
cient, cost-free cooling system.

That particular afternoon, as I recall, was no different from many
others that I had spent there. It was, well, lazy. And I had decided
to lay down for a bit after hanging out the clothes to dry. My body
was oriented in a general north-south fashion with my head about a
foot from the window opening north. To my left of my bed and at a
distance of roughly 4 feet another window opened toward the east side
of the house, the yard containing the clothes line and the Southern
Railway embankment some two hundred or so feet away. From this side of
the house, the yard sloped downward about 15 feet to a small creek at
the base of the track embankment. The house itself was situated on the
southern extreme of a large grassy area about a hundred yards in width
that abutted the University's School of Nursing. Although this area
contained a few large trees it was mostly open. My house, almost com-
pletely surrounded by large trees seemed in contrast to be overgrown
with shade giving vegetation. The yard containing the clothes line was
shade free during the afternoon.

I had not been stretched out on the bed more than 15 minutes or so,
idly thinking about a computer simulation I had been working on fairly
intently for several months, when my attention was drawn to a trans-
former-like 'hum' rapidly building in intensity. A few seconds after
I noticed the sound, by now quite loud, there was a flash of bluish
yellow light that appeared to move down the slope just outside the
open window, quite close to my head. I didn't move so much as a
finger while madly trying to determine what was going on. The light
suddenly vanished with a sound quite like that of a polite hand-clap
and left me with the impression that it had veered slightly to the
north and ascended somewhat just before the clap.

I thought immediately and with considerable gratitude: 'It's back!'
For I had experienced something quite similar many years before, in
the late 60s, which had left me more than a little confused. This
time, I'll be smarter, I thought. 'No panic, just lay still and act
unconcerned. Maybe it will come back.' In fact, I felt quite certain
that if I held to a 'proper' attitude, it would indeed reappear.

Sure enough, about 15 minutes later, as I lay quietly alert with my
hands folded across my chest, it did. The same precursive, transformer
like sound appeared but somewhat lower in intensity and, this time,
there were three distinct claps as the brilliant blue and yellow light
winked its way down the slope toward the tracks and disappeared.

I felt simultaneously relieved and totally convinced that something
quite extraordinary had happened. Having willfully anthropomorphised
the event, I 'knew' that I had been "contacted" and then playfully
bid farewell. No purely physical explanation seemed satisfactory at
all. I was convinced at least of that much.

A 'kleugelblitz', you say! Ball lightening or some related atmos-
pheric phenomena! Perhaps even a 'plasma vortex!' Terry Meaden would
take such a 'reasonable' approach. But I'm not so sure. For you see, I
never got a chance to look directly at the 'object' but perceived
nevertheless that it was spherical in shape and had a diameter
slightly less than two feet on its first appearance and only about 8
inches its last. More importantly, it was a bit more than merely an
illuminated ball of whatever composition.

The 'object' seen during the 60s was about the size of a basketball
and I did get a chance to view that one directly as it came suddenly
bounding down my stairway to erupt in a blinding flash. It scared
the hell outta me, but that's another story. In any case, I consider
myself fortunate to have run into three of these 'things', whatever
they are.

As a followup to the Post article above, I should point out that shortly
after the more recent incident I went outside to see if any trace of
the object could be found. I was not looking specifically for 'circles
in the grass,' being unaware at the time of the crop circle phenomenon,
but surely would have noticed it if circles had been formed. In the field
immediately adjacent to my house, grass stood uniformly about 4 inches
high but no particular distortions in the lay were noted. Grass in the
yard, having been cut more recently, was a bit shorter. But it too con-
tained no obvious traces of the object. I was baffled but never doubted
what occurred outside that window was real.

Well, that's the end of the story. But for me the mystery remains ...

Joseph Burch                          [e-mail]
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University of Virginia
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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Meaden's Letter
Date: 21 Aug 91 04:21:00 GMT

I just received a most informative correspondence from
Dr. G. Terence Meaden of The Circle Effect Research Unit (CERES) in
Great Britain, in regards to the "Bradbury Castle" triangle complex
of 17-July-91. What follows is an excerpt of Dr. Meaden's letter to
me, dated 14-August-91:
___________________________________________________________________

..."The Bradbury circles were definitely hoaxed. My team of experts
were the only ones to be there in daylight on the first day.
Despite the newness of the circles, the wheat had been battered as
if a thousand people had stomped around all over it. Not a square
inch was spared, probably because a roller had done the job.
Although the wheat was green and capable of being bent over
gradually towards the base (as happens when a plasma vortex does
the flattening) the damage was heavy. Many straws were broken or
bent two, three or more times along their lengths. The main circles
had no spiral swirl, simply a circular flattening like a turning
plank or roller would produce. I could go on. There are other
reasons; I'll have to produce an article shortly...

...Although we did not get any <production of> circles on film this
season, we made progress on the meteorological front and that will
be written up when I have time in the winter..."
___________________________________________________________________

It would seem that the number of hoaxed circles has increased
tremendously over the past year. If any of you have any further
questions for Dr. Meaden, please post and I will be happy to
forward.

Sheldon

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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Alien Liaison
Date: 21 Aug 91 04:55:00 GMT

Thanks, Linda...whenever you have time I'll be interested to see
what you have to say about Oechsler.  (rest those eyes!)
                                        ==Peggy==
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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
Date: 21 Aug 91 05:09:00 GMT

Hi Linda,
        If you have read that file, I'd be interested in your
thoughts on it.  My source told me that the author of *Alternative
III,* Leslie Watkins, originally wrote this thing thinking that only
about 65% of it was true, and that his book came after the BBC aired
a program of the same name which discussed what was happening to all
the mysterious deaths and disappearances of scientists in
Britain...gist of it was they said all those "suicides" that were so
odd and the vanished people were part of Alternative III, a means of
reseeding life on Mars when Earth konks out from the greenhouse
effect or something along those lines.  Then AFTER the BBC aired the
program and got flooded with tons of calls about it, THEN they said
it was just an April Fools joke -- it aired on 4/1 -- which they
assumed everybody would get.  (As an aside here, I have heard their
broadcasts doing similar things in other years, where they air a
report deadpan as if it were true but it's all a joke and nobody
tells the audience that, and I think that's really rotten reporting.
 Perhaps I lack the fine sense of humor it would take to appreciate
that, but in my opinion, News is NEWS and not the place for playing
games.  Jokes are fine but MUST be clearly labled at the end as
such.)  Anyway, my source says that Watkins wrote the book and then
he was deluged with tons of letters from people who read it.
Apparently the "legit" letters in that lot convinced him that the
percentage of truth was a whole lot higher than 65% and something in
those letters provided evidence he planned to use to write a sequel
proving the validity of Alternative III.  He suddenly left England,
though, and moved to New Zealand and the truckload of letters
vanished and now he's keeping a mucho low profile.  Maybe it's a
total coincidence, maybe not.  Who knows until the guy talks?
        So...does that match what you read?
        Any thoughts or ideas?
                                                ==Peggy==
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Cat mutes
Date: 20 Aug 91 21:52:45 GMT

Never read Mute evidence but did see Linda Howes film on the subject.  It seems
to be an area where the gvt is unwilling or unable to get to the bottom of it.

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Cattle Mutilations
Date: 20 Aug 91 21:57:11 GMT

RE:Cause of death.
In a few accounts supposedly by eyewitnesses they report seeing the cattle
being taken up in a beam into a UFO (or some variation on that theme).
Presumably the cause of death was *something* that occured inside the UFO.  If
you are willing to accept that scenerio then it is not suprising if there is no
obvious cause of death for us to see.  It seems supriseing that no one ever
catches the "cult" members in the act after all these years.  Hard to know what
to make of it.

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: UFO Talk...
Date: 21 Aug 91 04:23:00 GMT

Hi Keith,
   Do you get UFO Magazine?  It often lists (as ads) different UFO
tapes for purchase.  Try that source.  Also, many video stores carry
some movies or documentaries.  Try "Blockbuster Video."

Good luck!

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: The Atlantic Monthly - August Issue
Date: 21 Aug 91 04:27:00 GMT

Hi Mike,
   I've been looking for that Atlantic Monthly magazine and cannot find
it!  Would you be willing to do an exchange?  In other words, you send
me a copy of that article, and I'll send back an equal-in-size article
on some favorite topic of yours.  Just name it, and I'll probably have
it.  Thanks, and looking forward to your reply.

Regards,

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: More on astronaut James Irwin
Date: 21 Aug 91 04:36:00 GMT

Hi Everyone, the recent PEOPLE Magazine had a notice on the death of
Irwin.  (Someopne else posted the notice recently, and here's another:

"James B. Irwin, 61, an Apollo 15 astronaut who in 1971 walked on the
moon and zipped across it in a 4-wheel Rover 1 vehicle, died of a heart
attack on Aug. 8 in Glenwood Springs, Colorado.

"Irwin, the 8th man ever to tread the lunar surface, said he
experienced a religious epipiphany during his 67 hours there.  'I felt
the presence of another power,' he said.

"He retired the following year to become a lay evangelist and a year
later created the High Flight Foundation, an interdenominational
evangelistic organization.

"Irwin traveled 5 times to Mt. Ararat in Turkey to search, without
success, for the remains of Noah's Ark."

Linda
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schuyler)
Subject: Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
Date: 18 Aug 91 23:50:00 GMT

-> CM> MS> A third is "The Holographic Paradigm," edited
-> CM> MS>by Ken Wilber.
-> CM>
-> CM> Thanks for this!  I hadn't heard of it.  Can you tell me
-> CM> the publisher?  I'd appreciate it.

Sure: The Holographic Paradigm and other paradoxes, edited by Ken Wilber,
New Science Library, 1982. lc: 82-50277. Dist by Random House, isbn:
0-394-71237-4 (pb).
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From: [e-mail] (Pierre Nunns)
Subject: Majestic
Date: 19 Aug 91 05:57:00 GMT


 > Hi there
 > In regard s to the Streiber book, I have borrowed it from
 > someone else so I would have to ask about that. In regards to
 > the Hypogeum in Malta there is an article in the NEXUS
 > magazine(LATEST) . Its worth getting a copy from the
 > newsagent or even better sub to them. The editor (Duncan
 > Roads) is a participant on the BB. If you cant get a copy,

Thanks chum. I don't know if you have had the chance to scan the
discussions taking place in the New Age message area (or was it
Paranormal..my memory's slipping) Some interesting conversations
taking place originated by Simon James..Have a look, I'd be
interested in your comments.

I've got over the flu, hope you and yours are ok now. Sis is due
back from the states monday week. Getting much work?

Pierre
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 463

                            Friday, August 23rd 1991

Today's Topics:

                         Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
                                    Hypogeum
                         Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
                 Putting the record straight about Crop Circles
                          Ball Lighting & Crop Circles
                               Utah Buried Object
                  Barker collection opening for limited access
                      Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
                     Re: The Atlantic Monthly - August Issue
                                      ussr
                                  CROP CIRCLES
                       Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
                       Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
                                  Soviet tidbit

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From: [e-mail] (Kent Raynor)
Subject: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
Date: 19 Aug 91 07:46:00 GMT


* In a message originally to All, Peggy Noonan said:

 > Does anyone know where I can get in touch with Leslie
 > Watkins, the author of *Alterantive III*, the book that
 > explains what's been happening to all the disappearing
 > British scientists?  One source tells me that the book is

Hello There... correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 'Alternative III" the
book that was based on the Tv special of the same name several years ago; it
was supposed to detail the disappearance of various scientists as these
scientists were being "instructed" to terraform Mars as a prelude to leaving
Earth (since Earth was beyond "repair").      Is this the same 'Alternative
III' as the one you're referring to?   If so, I think you should be aware of
two interesting facts about this program : Firstly, the show went to air in
Britain and Australia on the 1st of April.  It would be most coincidental if
this were to happen unplanned.  Secondly, several of the people in the
"expose" were reasonably well known actors - one of the people who was
intimately involved in the goings on was an American actor named Shane
Rimmer, best known as one of the main voices for the "Thunderbirds" puppet
series.

Of course, this may be an entirely different "Alternative III" from the one
you were inquiring about, so I'll just say "Hello" and sorry to take up your
time...

           [KR]

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From: [e-mail] (David Galea)
Subject: Hypogeum
Date: 20 Aug 91 00:17:00 GMT


 > In regards to
 > the Hypogeum in Malta there is an article in the NEXUS
 > magazine(LATEST) . Its worth getting a copy from the newsagent
 > or even better sub to them. The editor (Duncan Roads) is a
 > participant on the BB. If you cant get a copy, I,ll write a
 > brief on it.........paul

Yes I saw this article also. My father has spent a lot of his
childhood in the tunnels, they seem to go on forever.

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Laidlaw)
Subject: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
Date: 21 Aug 91 21:05:00 GMT


 > Watkins, the author of *Alterantive III*, the book that
 > explains what's been happening to all the disappearing
 > British scientists?  One source tells me that the book is
 > extrememly hard to find now and that Watkins was booked for a

Yes, this book is very hard to find. However I have a copy, and it
is very interesting reading, whether true or not it is great fiction
or "faction". One of my contacts (and if reading this, that contact
is more than welcome to butt in), says he has contacted the author
who said that (and I hope I quote accurately fro  memory):

- the book was "faction" (i.e. based on a mix of rumours, facts, and
conjecture.)
 > guest spot on 21st Century Radio with Bob Oechsler but at the
 > last minute had to cancel due to illness. Question if there
 > are some odd circumstances involved in the last minute
 > cancellation.  Watkins is supposed to be living in New
 > Zealand now and may be teaching Journalism at a college
 > there.  His story sounds extremely interesting and I'd like
 > to discuss it with him re an Omni magazine article.
 > Anyone have any leads or background info on this?
 >         Thanks!
 > ---
 >  * Origin: ParaNet(sm) Information Service - [303]431-8797
 > (9:9/0.0)

- but the book resulted in a large volume of mail that in toto said
that the mix of rumours and conjecture was to some extent based on
fact.

- the mail disappeared when the author was making a move from one
country to another - unfortunate, as it was possibly going to be
used for a sequel to the original book.

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From: aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob
Subject: Putting the record straight about Crop Circles
Date: 21 Aug 91 19:12:01 GMT

From: Robert Trevelyan <[e-mail]>


   Crop Circles

 In the last year crop circles have indeed increased in
 complexity and size. This phenomenon has been recorded
 at least 13 years to my knowledge but is by no means a
 new phenomenon. In around 1985 plain circles were seen
 and were common place in Winchester and Wiltshire.These
 basically progressed to ringed circles and then circles
 smaller 'satelite' circles. Progression was next to take
 place by including both circles, rings and paths.
 In 1990, the height of crop circle season saw not only
 the 'usual' circles and rings but right when public
 interest was stirring included boxes. These were about
 the size of a large car and the corn in these was combed
 in one direction. This formation included circles, paths
 and detached boxes and was not way a hoax as it is totally
 precise and symetric. This formation could not be hoaxed
 as it was very large and would be impossible to create the
 boxes without creating entry paths to them.
 In 1990 the largest of all crop circle formations appeared
 in a field in Alton Barnes, this was about one eigth of a mile
 in length. It appeared the night that dogs started barking in
 the local village and the next morning car batteries were flat.
 This formation has 'claws' or "fingers" in it .(check out the
 similarity between this and the ground markings at Nazca, Peru.)
  The Army in the UK have tried to produce crop circles
 and can from a distance produce a pretty convincing circle but
 up close anyone could see the differences as 'real' crop circles
 have layed down crop which is not broken but swept.
 Also in 1990 triangles were seen, circular swept corn in the shape
 of a triangle in addition to various path and rings, arcs etc.
 If a crop circle has been created on a hill this crop circle from
 the ground is eliptical not circlular, but from the air is totally
 circular as one would imagine. This gives the impression that
 it was created from above.


  Reasons Crop Circles are not Hoaxes

 It has been tried. The army can't produce one with planks and
 rope.(and we are only talking circles here) as they look damaged.

 You would have to enter a field in the pitch dark and create a
 formation, sometimes in 5ft high rape with no entry to the field
 as rape has no tractor tramlines. Then you would need to create
 a perfect formation without being seen, sometimes by busy roads,
 and and without damaging the crop only laying it down.

 Helicopters wreck the whole damn area. It ain't them.

 Animals don't create huge perfectly symetrical formations.

 Plasma Vortex - need hills and the correct weather conditions.
 Crop circles happen sometimes nowhere near a hill and a plasma
 vortex could not possibly create a box, spiralling charged wind
 cannot create perfectly rectangular boxes.

 Charged dust - (ie the Japanese theory) cannot happen in the rain.
 crop circles do.

 A analysis was done to judge the time it takes to create a crop
 circle. Basically if it took more than 20 seconds the crop would
 be 'crushed'. If it took less that 2 seconds the crop would be
 'whiplashed' and therefore broken.


   The UFO Connection

 I believe there is a connection with an ariel phenomenon but
 not in the sense that little green men in silver disks land in
 a field and create these formations.


 As for what creates these patterns I wonder if we will ever find
 out.

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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Ball Lighting & Crop Circles
Date: 22 Aug 91 03:52:00 GMT

Hi, Joe

     Thanks for posting that article re: crop circles and ball
lightning. Very enlightening. I feel confident that good scientific
method will eventually prove the circle phenomenon to be caused by
some type of naturally occurring electromagnetic incident, of which
the plasma vortex is a prime candidate.
     In regards to your ball lightning experiences, a rather
interesting case was reported last year at the 1990 Ball Lightning
Conference, held in Budapest. The incident took place on May 25,
1989, in a field by the roadside near Kerecseud, a village 65 miles
from Budapest. The victim was a 27 year old engineer WITHIN WHOSE
BODY, it is conjectured, ball lightning formed. The man had stopped
his car and walked to the edge of a field about 30 feet distant to
urinate. Suddenly, his wife, who had remained behind in the car,
saw that her husband was surrounded by a blue light. He opened his
arms wide and fell to the ground. His wife ran to him, noticing
that one of his tennis shoed had been torn off. Amazingly, his wife
was able to stop a passing bus that was filled with medical doctors
returning from a meeting. Unhappily, they immediately pronounced
the man dead.
     At the autopsy, a hole was found in the man's heel where the
shoe had been. The lungs were torn and damaged, and the stomach and
belly were carbonized! This is indicative of internal combustion,
just as the blue light is suggestive of atmospheric electricity,
while the damaged heel and shoe are denotative of electrical
grounding. No other effects of local atmospheric electricity were
noticed. The sky was overcast and conditions possibly suitable for
a thunderstorm. The couple had earlier passed through a
thunderstorm when 35 miles away, but at the site of the tragedy it
was dry and rainless. Do you feel this incident may help to explain
the case of so called "human spontaneous combustion"?
     BTW Joe, I still have not heard from Robert Nathan re: your
excellent idea of an accessible computerized UFO photographic
database. Any luck with Bruce Maccabee? Keep me informed and I will
do likewise.

Thanks again and best of luck,

Sheldon

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Utah Buried Object
Date: 1 May 91 11:04:00 GMT

+ Originally from the KeelyNet BBS
+ Cross-posted by Clark Matthews

Message 616                                    DATE/TIME: 08/18/91 09:32
>From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
To     : ALL
Subject: Mysterious Object
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hello everyone.  We have just heard about an object found approximately
640 feet under the earth while excavating for room to store radioactive
waste.  The object is from 25 to 40 feet in height and there are
apparently 9 of them in a row on a north-south line.  There are photos
of it which I have yet to see, but OMNI and several other news services
are doing their damndest to get the photos and/or more info.  The site
is around Ogden, UTAH, so if anyone there knows about such an
excavation, please give us the details.  The Ogden newspaper has not
knowledge of such activity or such a discovery.  When we get the
photos, we will digitize them for those interested.  I'll probably get
in trouble for mentioning even this little bit of data but we would
really like info if you know anything.  The object has gears and
appears to be a machine or a part of one.  One guy says it looked like
a gimbal to him though I have yet to see it to confirm.  The story
and photos comes from a scientist working with the Super-Collider
through a mutual friend.  That scientist was flown out to the site to
see what he thought the thing was.  It is made of an unknown metal or
alloy and cannot be welded or cut.  We question how they could take
such an enormouse object from 640 feet down to the surface since it
must weigh many tons.  There is speculation that since it is such an
unknown metal, it might be lightweight like some of the fragments from
crashed UFOs are supposed to be.  Guess I'm in hot water now but you
guys might furnish more detailed info....I will try to get the
pictures so everyone can see it.....Jerry
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)
Subject: Barker collection opening for limited access
Date: 22 Aug 91 08:07:00 GMT

I found this on Compuserve and certainly thought it was worth posting here:


#: 152530 S10/Paranormal Issues
    18-Aug-91  22:51:58
Sb: Barker Collection
Fm: David Abruzzino 73210,1271
To: all

The "Gray Barker UFO Collection" of flying saucer books,magazines,newspapers
and correespondences will open Sept. 14 at the Clarksburg-Harrison Public
Library in Clarksburg WV. Those wishing to see the limited access collection
should contact Ruth Yeager at 304-624-6512 (Do not respond to the message's
composer).
 Barker, who died in 1984 left a collection of 300 bools, 75 oh
journals, and 30 filing drawers of related material.  Barker began his UFO
research in the 1950's by investigating the Flatwoods Monster sighting in
Braxton Co. WV and gained further attention with his investigation of the
collapse of the Silver Brige in Point Pleasent WV in 1970 and its related
"Mothman" sightings.  Barker's files also include information on , The
Philadelphia Experiment, MJ-12, the Hanger-18 case as well as Project Bue
Book./exit


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs?
Date: 22 Aug 91 10:48:00 GMT

MS>Sure: The Holographic Paradigm and other paradoxes, edited by Ken Wilber,
MS>New Science Library, 1982. lc: 82-50277. Dist by Random House, isbn:
MS>0-394-71237-4 (pb).

You are a gentleman & a scholar!

(And there aren't many of us left... :-)

Best,
  Clark

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From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked
Subject: Re: The Atlantic Monthly - August Issue
Date: 22 Aug 91 15:40:30 GMT

From: Mike Dobbs <[e-mail]>


Linda,

I'll be glad to send you a copy of the article.  Can you email me your
snail mail address?

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: ussr
Date: 20 Aug 91 08:07:00 GMT


 > I just read in the Paranet/Hynek Ratings on UFO cases.  I
 > noticed that the Voronezh, USSR sighting was recently upgraded.

  Antonio Huneeus had a bit about it in last years MUFON Symposium Proceedings.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: CROP CIRCLES
Date: 20 Aug 91 08:43:01 GMT


 PP> I'm still very suspicious about the crop circles validity.
 PP> In aprox. the last year they have gone from swirls and
 PP> circles to pictographs. The lab that says there is
 PP> crystaline change, is some fringe nutritional group. The

Yes, they have undergone a drastic change..what were once just
"common" circles have now developed into complex patterns.

I am a bit gun-shy myself of coming right out and saying that
UFO's are creating the circles. I haven't seen any _hard_ evidence
of this. We hear reports of UFO's in the areas where "new" circles
are created..some are spotted "leaving the scene", but as far
as I've been able to tell..no one yet has actually gotten photo/video
proof of a circle being created by a UFO "in the act"..

As far as the "lab" you mentioned..shall I laugh now or later :-)

Gimme a large break (grin)..

 PP> Now we have almost all connected with lights and UFO's.
 PP> Something is very wrong.
 PP> If you remember Crop Circles were almost a non-topic last
 PP> year, and considered not UFO related. (of course for us
 PP> Paranet folks it still fits either way fortunatly)  While
 PP> this is not directed at you, I see that you are more
 PP> current with related information. Any ideas on why things
 PP> are changing, or what's going on here? Sudden change of the
 PP> phenomenon, characteristics, results and perceptions is

I've been relaying the reports that have been placed on the Internet
from the UK by Robert Trevelyan. They have been fascinating to
say the least.

I must say that I'd have to echo your sentiments..I'm at a loss
to explain it.. "damned if I know" :-)

The only theory I have is that whatever "intelligence" is causing
these circles/patterns must be having one helluva good time watching
us trying to figure it out.

I wonder how many times Meaden has had to revise his "plasma vortex"
theory in the last 5 wks :-)

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Date: 22 Aug 91 02:25:00 GMT


 JS> ->I don't know if you've ever seen this, but if you can get ahold of
 JS> ->a tape called "UFO's are Real", I think you would find it most
 JS> ->interesting. It builds a pretty good case, in my opinion.  Wendelle
 JS> ->Stevens,Bruce Maccabee, Stanton Friedman and many others have
 JS> ->segments that help explain in various ways why "all this secrecy"
 JS>
 JS> To Linda: Yes, I have the tape if you want to view it.


I have the tape, and it's one of the better ones, in my opinion.

I get the feeling though, that it was made like in the early 80's..

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Date: 22 Aug 91 02:40:01 GMT


 LB> Hello to Don Allen & Jim Ser,
 LB>
 LB> I'm quite sure I have that film (UFO's are Real) myself --
 LB> starts out with some sort of object flying across a
 LB> desert-scape at very high speeds.  It's worth another
 LB> look-see since it's been a while.
 LB>
 LB> Thanks to you both,

Anytime :-)

Listen...walk over to the UFINET echo and start bugging Bill (what
a curious phrase :-) about his new tape on Lazar..

I saw Bill recently and he played the tape for about 40 of us at a
informal get-together. The tape is composed of *out takes* from the Knapp
interview and it's pretty interesting. Frankly, I was amazed at some
of the things that were in it. Some bits never made it into the televised
Knapp series on Lazar that are in _this_ tape.

How Bill got ahold of this tape is also fairly amusing :-)

Seems that the *original* tape was in John Lear's possession. Lear
had made arrangements to come over to English's house, so Bill knew
in advance that the tape was going to be shown. Rather sneakily, he
had a video friend rig up a video cam and had it pointed at the TV
screen in an un-obtrusive location, so when Lear showed up....chuckle..

You can ask Bill for the details and costs.

Don

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Soviet tidbit
Date: 22 Aug 91 05:41:00 GMT


  A wire story in today's newspaper reported that General Maltsev, CiC of the
Soviet air-defense forces, gave the command which prevented Gorbachev's
aircraft from taking off for Moscow a couple of days ago. Maltsev appears to
have been a conspirator, or at the least was following the orders of the
Emergency Committee.
  The ufo connection is that in an interview with a Soviet general-interest
magazine a few months ago, Maltsev candidly said that Soviet fighters had on
many occasions attempted to intercept UFOs after ground-based radar contact. He
said the he believed the UFOs certainly were not of this world, and that he had
no idea at all what they were.
  I think ufology may have lost a truth-seeker in a high position, since
Maltsev will almost certainly be gone very soon.

                                           jbh

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 464

                            Sunday, August 25th 1991

Today's Topics:

                          ROSWELL on UNSOLVED MYSTERIES
                          ROSWELL on UNSOLVED MYSTERIES
                            Crop Circle Investigation
                         Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
                         Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
                         Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
                       Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
                                  Re: Cat mutes
                             Re: Utah Buried Object
                     Re: The Atlantic Monthly - August Issue
                       Your Comments on Unsolved Mysteries

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From: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble
Subject: ROSWELL on UNSOLVED MYSTERIES
Date: 23 Aug 91 14:36:51 GMT

From: Steve Gamble x3293 <[e-mail]>


To Linda Bird

Hi Linda,

I thought the programme was pretty good. They obviously spent a great
deal of money on the reconstructions. Kevin Randle came over very well,
I guess he usually does (when I was in Chicago recently I saw a tape
of him with Larry King on CNN where he wiped the floor with Phil Klass).

Unfortunately Unsolved Mysteries is shown here on Sky One which is
a satellite channel which only a small percentage of people can get.
However (for once!!) I remembered to tape it.

I am looking forward to the item UM are doing (?have done) on
the Bentwaters/Rendlesham Forest case. It will be 6 to 9 months
before we see it this side of the pond

Regards,
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: ROSWELL on UNSOLVED MYSTERIES
Date: 23 Aug 91 20:47:00 GMT


 > I am looking forward to the item UM are doing (?have done) on
 > the Bentwaters/Rendlesham Forest case. It will be 6 to 9 months
 > before we see it this side of the pond


Steve: I have NTSC->PALS capabilities, and of course will be taping the show. Interested?

Jim Speiser

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Crop Circle Investigation
Date: 24 Aug 91 20:17:00 GMT

Yesterday, August 23rd, Roger Black got word that a crop circle had been
discovered in a cornfield in Iowa.  He went to the site and is conducting an
investigation.  Roger will have an exclusive report for ParaNet later today
or tomorrow.  According to early information, the circle is very
interesting.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
Date: 24 Aug 91 21:46:00 GMT

Hello, and thank you very much for your kind reply!
        Yes, you're quite right about the April 1 television program
of the same name.  My source tells me that Watkins originally set
out to write a book about how much truth there actually was in that
program which was meant for an April Fool's joke and that Watkins
determined that there was actually some 65% truth to it -- but then
he wrote the book and was bombarded with letters which led him to
believe that the percentage of truth was much, much higher.  Those
letters are supposed to have disappeared when Watkins moved to New
Zealand and since then he's been "lying low."  --At least this is
what the source tells me.  Evidently the suggestion is being made
that this television "joke" was actually a sort of disinformation
campaign in which a bit of truth is thrown in with a lot of untruth
to "debunk" a story which, in fact, is not false.  (Who knows if
that's really what happened?)
        This source who told me about Alternative III also knows
someone very high up in the U.S. space biz and mentioned this tale
to that person only to be told it wasn't a fiction at all.
        That is quite amazing, if true, but I cannot verify it as
the government person naturally wishes anyonymity and my source
won't part with a name.
        Did you happen to see that BBC program?  Your comment
sounded so authoritative, as if you were very familiar with it, and
that makes me ask if you have in fact seen it.  If so, I'd be very
interested in hearing from you about the show -- your opinion of it
and also how it was received by local viewers in your area.
        Thank you for the reply to my message.  I will look forward
to hearing from you again.
                                        ===Peggy==
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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
Date: 24 Aug 91 21:50:00 GMT

Hello Bob,
        Thank you very much for your reply about Alternative III and
what's happened to Leslie Watkins.
        If you've read the book, could you tell me what your
impression of it was?  And have you heard anything further from or
about Leslie Watkins after the book was published and he moved to
New Zealand?  Perhaps he shows up in local papers at events talking
about the unusual/weird (like at UFO conferences, for instance) or
perhaps he's teaching.  If you have any ideas or information about
him or the book, or any comments you'd care to share, I'd be very
interested in hearing from you again.  And I'm particularly
interested in your impressions of the book.
        Thank you, again, for the kind reply!
                                        ==Peggy==
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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
Date: 24 Aug 91 21:53:00 GMT

PS:  Did you contact, who has spoken to or knows Watkins, tell you
whether he is, shall we say, "keeping a low profile" because of
problems from the book, or is he merely living a normal life and not
interested in pursuing this topic further?  The implication of that
sudden, last-minute cancellation of the radio interview was that
someone had warned him off, but of course it could be that he merely
felt ill...though one would expect a re-scheduling at a later date,
which evidently didn't happen.  I'd like to know anything more that
you or your source might have time and inclination to share and
appreciate your help very, very much.
        Thanks, again!                        ==Peggy==
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Date: 24 Aug 91 18:30:00 GMT

Hi Don,

Will definately bug The Bill to see if I can get a tape.  I'd like to
build up my coollection.

Gracias,

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Cat mutes
Date: 24 Aug 91 18:33:00 GMT

Hi Jim,

Do you have a copy of that Linda M. Howe film on Cattle Mutations?
If so, can I get a copy?  I may have something to trade you for it.

Thanks,

Lindfa Bird

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Utah Buried Object
Date: 24 Aug 91 18:38:00 GMT

Hi Clark,

 Let's hope that we can really find out what this object is, and that
this does not turn out to be another Roswell with our grandchildren
looking for answers some 45 years later!

Regards,

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: The Atlantic Monthly - August Issue
Date: 24 Aug 91 18:51:00 GMT

Hi Mike,

Due to extemely good luck, I managed to find a copy of the Aug.
Atlantic
Monthly, and immediately made a copy of the article.  I haven't read it
yet (I still have company this week) but I hope to catch up with my
reading next week.

You were so nice to offer, though.  Is there anything I can send you?

Kindest regards,

Linda


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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Your Comments on Unsolved Mysteries
Date: 24 Aug 91 18:59:00 GMT

Hi Steve,
   Thanks for your comments on Unsolved Mysteries.

   I had to chortle LOUDLY when you mentioned that Kevin Randle "mopped
the floor with Phil Klass."  I see you guys "down under" recognize a
dork when you see one (Even if you ARE upside down!).  <:-)
c
Regards,

Linda

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 465

                            Monday, August 26th 1991

Today's Topics:

                               Re: Alternative III
                        Mysterious Roar Heard By Some...
                           Russian Scientists and UFOs
                              USAF Exotic Aircraft
                               Upcoming (?) Events
                                Precarious Bipeds
                             Re: Cattle Mutilations
                               Re: New UFO Titles!
                              Re: That grey area...
                                Re: ALIEN LIAISON
                                    UFO show
                                  Mexico video
                                  SHUTTLE UFO's
                                 Epilepsy & Dogs
                               Rainbow declaration

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From rhi.hi.is!adamd
Subject: Re: Alternative III
Date: 25 Aug 91 15:44:47 GMT


From: [e-mail] (Adam David)
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>;
from 'Paranet Newsletters' at Aug 21, 91 10:21 pm

A lot of people seem to think that the film was shown by the BBC on
April Fool's day, thus making it a rather obvious prank. I happen to
have a copy of the book and unless it is entirely fiction or a figment
of somebody's imagination, the details of the film are as follows:

The film is called 'Alternative 3' and was to be one of a weekly series of
serious scientific documentaries going by the name of 'Science Report' some
time in 1976. These programmes were made by Sceptre Television for the ITV
network Anglia TV. Following a very successful 13-week series in 1975, a
26-week series was planned for (and probably also happened in) 1976.
Alternative 3 was originally to be a simple coverage of the 'Brain Drain'
phenomenon (where top British Scientists were being offered better jobs and
better pay in other parts of the world). When the research team stumbled on
the Alternative 3 story during early 1976, the film had to be rescheduled
because it took another year to gather the material. I do not have a copy of
the film, do any of you have it on videotape (and dare to admit it)?
Great efforts were made to suppress the publication of this material.

Alternative 3 was first shown to the public at 9pm on Monday,
20th June, 1977. I think it was a one-hour programme although the original
series probably had half-hour programmes (I'm only guessing here).
Maybe it has been shown in other countries since then on April Fool's day
as an attempt to reduce credibility (???). If that is not the case, then
the April Fool's explanation is a damned lie (as opposed to a counter-hoax).

The book is publised by Sphere Books in 1988, and is categorised as
'World Affairs/Speculation'. Apparently the publishers refused to handle
it unless it was stated to be speculation.

What other material is available on this subject?

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Mysterious Roar Heard By Some...
Date: 25 Aug 91 15:22:00 GMT

The following was taken from the Las Vegas Sun, Thursday, August 22, 1991.

    Federal and military officials couldn't shed light on a mysterious roar
that rattled some neighborhoods in northwest Las Vegas.
    Some residents complained about the sound like a jet engine that droned
for fifteen minutes about 6 A.M. Wednedsay.
    The U.S. Deptartment of Energy manager of the Nevada Test Site, where
underground nuclear weapons experiments are conducted 65 miles northwest of
Las Vegas reported nothing unusual.
    "That's where I live and I didn't hear anything," DOE spokesman Chris West
said.
    "I can't imagine anything that would cause a roar," West said.  The DOE
does do some blasting at a rock quarry, but no activity was reported at that
time, he said.
    Nellis Air Force Base spokeswoman Lila Edwards said the base had received
several inquiries, but nothing registered.
    "We've had no sonic booms," Edwards said.

END ARTICLE

I wanted to put this article here as it sounds very much like what a witness
told Roger Black he heard on the night that a crop circle was formed in Iowa.
More on this will follow.

Mike

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From: cwns4.INS.CWRU.Edu!aa440
Subject: Russian Scientists and UFOs
Date: 25 Aug 91 21:40:08 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Dale Wedge)


Christopher A. Joseph of the Cleveland Free-Net UFOlogy Sig
has asked the SySops for information pertaining to any
known names and also addresses of Russian scientists who are
working on the subject of UFOs.

Any help on any of these matters would be appreciated.

You may respond in the ParaNet Newsletter since it is posted
in the Cleveland UFOlogy Sig files and general section of the
system.

Thanks,

Dale B. Wedge

aa440
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From: 'C.R. Harding' <[e-mail]>
Subject: USAF Exotic Aircraft
Date: 26 Aug 91 04:16:18 GMT

I received the following information which was posted to the skunk-works
mailing list. This mailing list is named after the Skunk Works division
of Lockheed and is used by enthusiasts to discuss 'Black' aerospace
projects such as the SR-71 Blackbird and various Stealth projects.

I've contacted the message's author who is quite happy for the
information to be reposted to Paranet provided his identity is kept
confidential. He's also prepared to answer questions (to the best of his
ability) so if you have any queries feel free to post them to Paranet
or mail them to me, I'll relay them on to him.

I think this is very interesting information and can be interpreted in a
number of ways depending on your own opinions and level of paranoia! :-)

+ From: [e-mail] (A skunk-works Subscriber)
+ Subject: Really Advanced (Exotic) Aircraft
+
+ Since things on the skunk.works group have been a little slow,
+ allow me to liven things up a bit.
+
+ I have excerpted some interesting quotes from several issues of
+ a leading aerospace publication (AW&ST) that imply some really
+ interesting things.
+
+ The implications were very nebulous to me, until recently, when I was
+ referred to second source article with similar statements. This
+ article was in a much less well known and therefore reliable magazine,
+ that really has nothing to do with aerospace.
+
+ The author of the second source article used a pen-name, and we
+ recently found out who the author was. I do not have his permission
+ to use his real name, but he's well known to everybody in skunk.works,
+ and he is an aerospace writer, and reliable.
+
+ The implications from these two different sources is that
+ our country (the U.S.) is working on some VERY unusual aircraft.
+
+ More unusual than you think!
+
+ The implication is that the U.S. has not only JUST advanced the science
+ of Aerospace, but that they're REALLY TRYING to advance it to an
+ incredible level. This shouldn't be shocking, but for skunk.works
+ types like us, THIS IS INTERESTING!
+
+ Now, since this IS the skunk.works mail list, I'm going to ask people
+ to give speculative suggestions as to what these journalists are
+ referring to here. I would like some informed speculation (it doesn't
+ have to be professionally based) as to what kinds of advances these
+ journalists and writers are talking about.
+
+ The journalists/writer I'm excerpting have excellent contacts with
+ leading Aerospace people. These articles have been mentioned in
+ other contexts before, but there is more interesting information in
+ them. The fact that these people are aerospace journalists and not
+ some 'other' kind of journalist or writer is significant.
+
+ There are black aircraft flying in the Southwest as reported in the
+ following AW&ST issues:
+
+ Dec. 18, 1989 issue. Pages 42-43,
+ Oct. 1, 1990 issue. Pages 20-23,
+ Dec. 24, 1990 issue. Pages 41-44,
+ Jan. 8, 1990 issue. Page 74 (A letter to the editor).
+
+ SOME (not all) of these aircraft are VERY unusual. The term
+ 'exotic aircraft' has started to be used in referring to them.
+
+ Read each one of these carefully. I've capitalized certain words
+ for effect, to make sure they're not missed.
+
+ First, some of the AW&ST articles (quoted without permission).
+
+ 'Although facilities in remote areas of the Southwest have been home to
+ classified vehicles for decades, the NUMBER and SOPHISTICATION of new
+ aircraft appear to have INCREASED SHARPLY over the last 10 years, when
+ substantial funding was made available for 'deep black' projects." (AW&ST
+ 10/1/90 pg.20)
+
+ 'Do we now possess the 'ULTIMATE" WEAPONS featured in comic books-
+ the ones SO DEVASTATING any potential adversary would never think of
+ disturbing the peace for fear of the good guys' retaliation?'
+ (AW&ST 12/24/91 pg. 44).
+
+ 'SEVERAL VEHICLES, though, appear to INCORPORATE TECHNOLOGIES THAT OUTSTRIP
+ THOSE now employed by engineers charged with developing MORE TRADITIONAL,
+ CURRENT-GENERATION AIRCRAFT'. (AW&ST 10/1/90 pg. 20)
+
+ 'Hard as it may be to fathom, there is REASON TO WONDER WHETHER COMPLETE
+ KNOWLEDGE OF THE MOST EXOTIC AIRCRAFT MAY REACH 'The Top,' all for
+ super-security.' (AW&ST 12/24/91 pg. 44).
+
+ 'Industry experts who have worked on 'deep black" programs, believe that
+ it would be HIGHLY UNUSUAL for all but a very few political officials to
+ have access to or knowledge of these programs. History has shown, they
+ maintain, that elected officials and their staffs are poor security risks.'
+ (AW&ST 10/1/90 pg 21)
+
+ 'Several of these people had hands-on experience with a number of the
+ classified vehicles. Although prevented from discussing specific projects,
+ these individuals said, 'There are BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS OUT THERE,'
+ referring to aircraft based at the Nevada test locations.'
+ (AW&ST 10/1/90 pg 20)
+
+ Now for the second source article. This article was written under the
+ pen-name of Al Frickey, and it's entitled: 'A Look at Aurora and Some
+ UnFunded Opportunities (UFOs)'. This piece appeared in (of all places)
+ the Feb. 1988 issue of 'Gung Ho' magazine.
+
+ Note, the term UnFunded Opportunities (UFOs) is NOT new. One place
+ where one can find it used, is in the Sweetman/Goodall 'Lockheed
+ F-117A Stealth Fighter' book.
+
+ I'm sure that many people who read this mail list have at least one of
+ Mr. Frickey's books on their shelves at home (with his real name on it).
+ There is no need to capitalize any of these paragraphs. The implications
+ are more clear.
+
+ Allow me to quote several sections of it (without permission):
+
+ As for UnFunded Opportunities, these are programs dealing with
+ technology so advanced that one Air Force officer involved in SR-71
+ development said: 'We are flight testing vehicles that defy description.
+ To compare them conceptually to the SR-71 would be like comparing
+ Leonardo da Vinci's parachute design to the space shuttle.'
+
+ Other officers are similarly emphatic about the nature of these new systems.
+ 'We have things that are so far beyond the comprehension of the average
+ aviation authority as to be really alien to our way of thinking,'
+ says one retired colonel.
+
+ 'Lets put it this way', explained one retired Lockheed engineer. "We
+ have things flying in the Nevada desert that would make George Lucas drool.''
+
+ Now remember, there are Aerospace people saying these things!

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Upcoming (?) Events
Date: 26 Aug 91 05:34:17 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

I originally sent this on August 9, but I don't know if it ever got through.
I apologize if you're seeing it twice.

+---< 7/17/91 >---*
+*
+   Some interesting current events which may interest you:

Yes, as soon as I get the time machine finished.  I've heard of network
delays before, but I'm starting to wonder if my feed site is too close to
Philadelphia or something.

+Taken from the flier:
+
+        PUBLIC BRIEFING:
+   The Lancaster Syndrome, or
+     The Military/Industrial/Alien Complex

What does the word 'Lancaster' mean in this context?  I ask because we have
a city and county of Lancaster in Pennsylvania, and not long ago a
previously-unknown group based there announced an allegedly repeatable
effect not unlike cold fusion but attributed to a different mechanism than
the P&F version.  (Specifically, electrons dropping to a level *below* the
ground state.)

+WHEN: Tuesday, July 23rd, 7:30pm
+WHERE: Louise Lowry Davis Center, corner of Victoria and
+   De la Vina, Santa Barbara. Seating limited.  Arrive early.
+TICKETS: $5 at the door.  Preceeds support ongoing research.
+
+Information you need to know. Plan to attend now.

So, anyone who attended, how was it?

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Precarious Bipeds
Date: 25 Aug 91 16:37:00 GMT

Hi Clark,

This letter to the Editor of "The Phoenix Gazette" reminded me of your
post the other day about early life on earth.  It reads:

"Dear Editor:
    The biped self-named genus Homo sapiens considers itself the
highest form of life on planet Earth.  Why does it think this?

    It is not the largest, strongest, fastest or toughest of creatures.
Its eyesight is not noteworthy--it is blind in near darkness where a
cat can see quite well.  Its sense of smell is pathetic--it can detect
no other creature at a distance except perhaps a spraying skunk.  Its
reflexes are slow--a leopard could scratch its face three times before
it could turn its head.  A sixth sense that warns most creatures of
impending danger is almost non-existent in this biped.

    "Wherein, then, lies this two-legged creature's fancied
superiority?  In its large brain?  What has this big-brained bidped
done to prolong its time on Earth?  Not much.  In fact, the reverse is
true.  This 'highest form of life' is actively engaged in destroying
the planet--at least the plant and animal life thereon.  Brainy but
impractical Homo sapiens.  ("Sap" for short) is busily destroying rain
forest, 'paving over' much of the nation, defiling the air, polluting
the water, making species after species extinct, and so on, ad
absurdum, ad nauseam.

     "But the crowing stupidity of this lordly, egotistical,
short-sighted being shows in the pace at which it is
trying--sucessfully--to over-populate a planet that, with a limited
number of two-leggers, could become the "paradise on Earth" the
creature dreams forlornly about.  But the dedication with which it
pursues its ability to copulate year-round (unique among Earth's
creatures), combined with an egotistical yen for large families,
practically guarantees not paradise, but eventually an unhealthful,
air-polluted, water-short, hopelessly overcrowded wasteland--a hell-on-
Earth for those bipeds who precariously survive that long."

(signed) Robert L Cook

Clark, I just thought this was a good addendum to your piece last week.

Regards,

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Re: Cattle Mutilations
Date: 24 Aug 91 06:16:24 GMT


 > From what I've read, they don't seem to be able to pin
 > down a specific cause of death in very many cases, if
 > any.  Also, in many cases they can't even find
 > footprints around the animal from the killers.  They
 > often blame Satanists yet I don't recall a single
 > instance of the supposed satanists ever being caught
 > or of them even identifiying potential suspects.

I don't recall reading a cause of death before either. But
the question of "how to mutilate a cow" keeps coming up in
my mind.

Although I have no intention of mutilating a cow, I am
serious about my question. Assume you wanted to extract some
cow blood and organs from a cow, how do you go about it?
You have to immobilize that cow somehow - but how?

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 24 Aug 91 06:19:57 GMT


 > Hi Paul
 >    Would you happen to carry a book by Jacques Vallee
 > called
 > MESSENGERS OF DECEPTIONS.  It may be out of print.

It's Friday and I can't call the distributors. But I'll call
Monday and let you know.

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: That grey area...
Date: 22 Aug 91 09:00:00 GMT

MS> -> SR> 6: gray - that area of matter in the human brain which
MS> -> SR> conceives and accepts concepts and theories pertaining to
MS> -> SR> the reality of alien beings with little regard for proof or
MS> -> SR> factual material
MS>
MS>   7: gray - the mindset that refuses to acknowledge even the possibility
MS>      of alien beings despite hundreds of unrelated eyewitness reports.

8: gray - the color of the flannel suit which the horse wears.


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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: ALIEN LIAISON
Date: 24 Aug 91 20:10:58 GMT

Linda,

You said:
The July MUFON Journal (which just arrived yesterday!) had a terrible review
of Tim Good's newest book.  I was rather shocked.  They
checked up on some claims of Bob Oeschler, and they were quite revealing!!
(I've wondered about that guy for some time; MUFON checked                 on
his claims of employment, etc.)

Now...this has piqued my curiousity a bit..without going into
a great amount of detail..can you give a summary of what was
revealed in the MUFON Journal about Oeschler?

Thanks,

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: UFO show
Date: 25 Aug 91 06:08:00 GMT


  Saw Bill English, Don Ware and Ed Walters speak today at the "Great
UFO/ET/Alien and Abduction Congress" (!) here in O'do.
  If consistency means anything, Ed's certainly consistent in his story. I
could almost repeat it all word-for-word now. Couple of new photos (not his)
of redlight gobs at a distance. One could just barely be made out to be oblong.
  Don stepped out of his MUFON shoes and told us that he personally puts quite
a bit of stock in certain channeled material. He was pretty big on Pleiadians.
He was interesting, even though I don't buy any of the channel/contact stuff
myself.
  Ole Bill stole the show. I'd guess that most of you have heard his stories a
time or two, but he sure has a presence.
  One other tidbit. I got a look at one of Jorge Martin's F-14 photos that he'd
published in a Spanish-language UFO magazine. It shows (from the ground) an
F-14 type aircraft in about an 80-degree bank with wings spread, and it appears
to be circling or making a close pass at a classic-type saucer. The photo
wasn't close-up, but the airplane and the object were readily identifiable.
  Jorge told me that the camera used was an ordinary inexpensive point'n'shoot
type loaded with ISO 100 Kodak neg film. He said that the photographer had
apparently just been abducted or otherwise influenced by the object, and that
the photographer said he was reflexively raising the camera and shooting each
shot without any conscious thought or intent. Sort of like a knee-jerk.
  White dust spots and hairs (!) in the image indicate to me that it was most
likely a straight print of the original neg rather than any sort of composite
image. It looks for-real.
  Unfortunately, the Congress is apparently a bust. About 40 people showed up,
and the promoters are probably going to take a loss. This was due to very high
initial admission price, an almost-total lack of advertising, then a half-price
offer that no one knew about. Too bad.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Mexico video
Date: 26 Aug 91 07:40:00 GMT


  Wendelle Stevens today showed a video tape composed of five clips of tape
shot by five witnesses, including a Mexican TV crew, of a UFO hovering over
Mexico City during totality of the July 11 solar eclipse.
  The tapes all showed an apparently-metallic fairly large
spherical/discoid object, and it definitely was *not* the eclipsed sun. The
object appeared to be rotating, but that may have been a video artifact. It
did, however, appear to emit bursts of dim red light or blobs.
  The object appeared to be almost at the zenith.
  The camera operators were at different locations, and very excited
Spanish could be heard in the background of some of the clips.
  Quality of the video clips ranged from superb (the TV crew) to mighty
bad. One of the clips would be bad for those prone to airsickness.
  Anyway, it's hot stuff.

                                                jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: SHUTTLE UFO's
Date: 24 Aug 91 14:48:01 GMT


 > UFO NEAR SHUTTLE PUZZLES NASA SCIENTISTS

  NASA at KSC told local news people that they'd figured out that it was a big
hunk of ice.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Epilepsy & Dogs
Date: 24 Aug 91 14:53:02 GMT


 > For that matter, maybe your dog "hears" you thinking about your commands
 > before you vocalize them...

  Interesting. He sure knows the difference between coming in for a bath or
just hanging out. Maybe dogs can somehow detect brain electrical patterns and
have learned to associate certain patterns with certain things.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Rainbow declaration
Date: 24 Aug 91 19:53:00 GMT


Mike,

Thanks for posting that longggg text on the Rainbow Declaration.

I have a question though...was there a Part 5 of this text??

If so, it never made it here..

I noticed that it jumped from Part 4 to Part 6...

Any way it could be re-sent?

Thanks

Don

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 466

                          Wednesday, August 28th 1991

Today's Topics:

                       addendum to 'USAF Exotic Aircraft'
                               Iowa Circle Update
                     Crop Circles - The Ickleton Mandelbrot
                                   Ufo Talk...
                                Morton Downey Jr.
                               Re: New UFO Titles!
                               Re: New UFO Titles!
                                Re: ALIEN LIAISON
                            UFO Conference in Orlando
                            Re: USAF Exotic Aircraft
                             Re: Cattle Mutilations
                             Re:  **** Warning *****
                             Re: CATTLE MUTILATIONS
                               Re: New UFO Titles!
                                    UFO show
                                    UFO show
                               Re: Epilepsy & Dogs

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From: 'C.R. Harding' <[e-mail]>
Subject: addendum to 'USAF Exotic Aircraft'
Date: 26 Aug 91 23:14:06 GMT

If you haven't already posted that last message of mine to the Paranet
newsletter list, here's another quote from my skunk-works correspondent
which you might like to add to it, otherwise just send this out to the
list. (of course, the info-para@scicom address for the Paranet
Newsletter may be an automatic gateway.)

------begin quote--------
Hey, here's another good AW&ST quote! I can't believe I missed this one!

'In addition, there is substantial evidence that another family of
craft exists that relies on exotic propulsion and aerodynamic schemes
not fully understood at this time' (AW&ST; 10/1/90; pg 20).
------end----------------

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Iowa Circle Update
Date: 26 Aug 91 21:51:00 GMT

Roger has just told me that another circle was discovered in an area near the
first circle in Iowa.  However, upon investigation, the second circle shows
signs of hoaxing.  The stalks of corn were broken as if someone had taken a
rope and dragged it around the circle.  The first circle continues to puzzle
investigators.  We will be providing a full report shortly on the network.  We
now have two corroborating witnesses to lights flying around the skies in the
immediate area of the circle.

Stay tuned...

Mike

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From: aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob
Subject: Crop Circles - The Ickleton Mandelbrot
Date: 27 Aug 91 09:36:22 GMT

From: Robert Trevelyan <[e-mail]>



                The Ickleton Mandelbrot
                -----------------------


        A strange formation appeared the night of August 11/12 in a
        wheatfield on a hill top 10 miles south of Cambridge, England.
        The was reported to be a heart-shaped formation but on closer
        observation found it to be far more than any 'normal' crop
        circle.

        This new formation was in fact a Mandelbrot ! and was 100 yards
        in length. A colleague of mine visited the site and confirmed
        that the formation was in fact, as near as possible, a complete
        Mandelbrot set. The large cartoid component was about 120ft across,
        tangential to this was a circle of 47ft diameter and on top of this
        again a 16ft circle. Attached to each side of the cardoid was three
        smaller unequal circles, the size of each matching its partner on
        the opposite side of the cartoid. Tiny circles also existed and
        were attached to the outside of the centre ones and also on the
        47ft circle. These tiny circles were as small as 16 inches and
        were attached to the main body and mirrored about the central axis.
        I have viewed a computer  program that creates this Mandelbrot Set
        and all circles and conponents were found to be exactly placed.

        Presumed at first to be an elaborate hoax perpetrated by mathematic
        students at Cambridge University this was denied by them. Each
        circle was perfect and was swirled in a clockwise direction even
        down to a single stalk in the centre of the cartoid. Ariel photographs
        have been taken by my colleague but unfortunately on returning the
        next day he found that the farmer had driven his combine harvester
        straight through the formation destroying this fantastic work of art.
        I understand that copies of these photos are on their way to
        Benoit B. Mandelbrot, a research fellow at IBM Yorktown Heights, NY.
        who from work with fractal geometry and the mathematical study of
        forms having a fractional dimension has termed the Mandelbrot Set.
        Fractal geometry is used in the study of chaos and also in the study
        of growth patterns in the natural world.

        For those of you that like the heavy stuff on Mandelbrot here it is:

        From 'Scientific American' August 1985..

        'The Mandelbrot set broods in silent complexity at the centre of a
        vast two-dimensional sheet of numbers called the complex plane.
        When a certain operation is applied repeatedly to the numbers, the
        ones outside the set flee to infinity and the numbers inside remain
        to drift or dance about. Close to the boundary minutely choreographed
        wanderings mark the onset of instability. Here is an infinite regress
        of detail which astonishes us with its variety, its complexity and
        its strange beauty.'

        This fantastic and unexplainable formation was feature with
        a photograph in 26 August 1991 'Sunday Telegraph' and one can
        see from the photograph that it really is very precise.
        If anyone has a Mandelbrot computer graphics program I strongly
        suggest that you run it and view the end result because it is so
        similar to the Ickleton Mandelbrot its unreal.


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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Ufo Talk...
Date: 26 Aug 91 23:23:00 GMT

Keith;

In UFO Magazine, one of our advertisers carries a very large video library.
His name is Dave Aaron, and he operates the UFO Video Clearinghouse. You can
reach Dave Aaron at [phone]. He will send you listings, etc. on request.

Tell Dave I said hello.

Don Ecker

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Morton Downey Jr.
Date: 26 Aug 91 23:33:00 GMT

(1743)  Mon 26 Aug 91  4:02p
By: Don Ecker
To: ALL
Re: Morton Downey Jr.
St:
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@MSGID: 9:1012/3 8d0fee2d
For all you Tabloid Freaks who still lurk * Out There * and have not gotten
your FIX of ol' Mort *The Big Mouth* Downey Jr., Mort is coming back. How do I
know? Well, it seems that his producer saw yours truly on the rerun show of
Hard Copy with Marina Popovich, and want to do a UFO program for one of Mort's
first to air in October. For any of you who may not know who Downey is, several
years ago he had a real knock down, and drag em off program that made waves all
across the U. S. because of the brash and rude behaviour of the MC and most of
his guests. :-(   Also, Downey was "regressed" by Dr. Jean Mundy, and
*believes* that he may have been abducted. ANYWAY..............

The producer assured me that what we have now is a "NEW AND INPROVED" Morton
Downey Jr. and they want me to debate Phil Klass. I jumped at the chance. If
any of you live close to LA and would like to attend, call me at UFO and I will
give you all the details and you can be in the audience. Let me know.

More to follow.

Don

PS The UFO number is [phone].

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 28 Aug 91 11:22:00 GMT

PF> >    Would you happen to carry a book by Jacques Vallee called
PF> > MESSENGERS OF DECEPTIONS.  It may be out of print.
PF>
PF>It's Friday and I can't call the distributors. But I'll
PF>call Monday and let you know.

Paul, if there are two copies available, I'd be interested in one as well.
As far as I know it was only published in hardcover, but a paperback would
be equally acceptable if there are such things...

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 27 Aug 91 21:41:00 GMT

Hi Paul,
  Thanks for checking on "Messengers of Decption" for me; also, please
let me know what year it was written.  The other Vallee book I want is
"Passport to Magonia."  Dunno what year it came out, either.

Thanks!

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: ALIEN LIAISON
Date: 27 Aug 91 22:03:00 GMT

Hi Don,
   I'll be glad to tell you a abit about what MUFON wrote about Bob
Oechsler; it's a long piece, and I have a copy machine here at home,
and it won't cost me anything just to send you a copy of the article.
Furthermore, see some of the posts I've made to Peggy Noonan since
she also expressed an interest in Bob O.  (I might have posted
something to her on <Fidonet>   sssshh!  that's a whisper.)

   The review was conducted by Jerold R. Johnson, MUFON Continental
Coordinator for Central America.  There are allegations of Bob O. mis-
representing himself by a Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, former director of
the National Security Agency.  However most revealing, IMHO, were the
claims of Oechsler as a "NASA mission specialist and project engineer".
I have seen this claim in the UFO UNIVERSE Magazine as well as in the
1989 MUFON Proceedings of the symposium held in Las Vegas.  (Jim
Speiser
        told me he went to that conference and heard Bob speak and
thought the guy was a phony.  Perhaps Jim will comment as well....)

     The author of this article contacted Goddard Spaceflight Center to
check on Bob's employment.  He writes:

     "I checked with Personnel Management," says a Ms. Randy Exler in
the Public Affaris Office, "and our records only go back 10 years.
Robert L. Oechsler is not known in the currecnt records.  He could have
worked here for a contractor, in which case we would not have record of
him in any case.  The title 'mission specialist' is not something that
is used around here; that's a title that NASA gives to an astronaut!"

    (This was a quote of a conversation that the article author had
with a lady at Goddard.)

   There's more.  Bob apparently ran away and joined the Ringling Bros.
and Barnum & Bailey International Organization, and as Bob tells it,
from eaqrly NOv. 1989 thru late Jan. 1990, worked for them in getting
actual captured alien spacecraft and an "alien/ET corpse in a cryogenic
tank" for use in a proposed travelling public exhibition.

   Don, there's another whole page dedicated to Bob's pranks and
claims, and I'll be happy to mail you everthing, or anyone else out
there who requests a copy.

Regards,

Linda Bird

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: UFO Conference in Orlando
Date: 27 Aug 91 22:16:00 GMT

Hi John,

   The UFO conference in Fla. had a poor turn-out?  That's too bad.
In my opinion, they should have held it sooner (school has just begun
in this state); they should have chosen another location (more central
for the rest of us); more advertising (altho for some reason I got a
flyer); a little less expensive (can result in bigiger turn-outs).

Thanks for the report!

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: USAF Exotic Aircraft
Date: 27 Aug 91 22:28:00 GMT

Hi C.R.

I'm just a humble person who know little about aviation beyond the
Cessna 172.  Are these aircraft you mentioned going to be used in
exploration, or in military combat?

Some of the remarks seem to be made with some "tongue in cheek:
humor; i.e. "some of these planes are almost alien in design" or words
to that effect.

Keep posting!

Linda Bird

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Cattle Mutilations
Date: 28 Aug 91 02:27:00 GMT

I'm not a hunter but if the cow was dead and you followed the
procedures that I understand are used to drain blood from say a deer,
you would have to hang the cow upside down and slit it's throat
(jugular) to drain it.  If it was still alive then I suppose you could
put an IV in if you knew how but that would be fairly slow and unless
you were a vet I doubt you could find a vein, not to mention poking a
needle thru cowhide.  As to removing the organs, I think that would
also be difficult unless you knew what you were doing.  I remain
unconvinced that it isn't just scavenging by animals.  It seems that
UFO buffs try to connect anything and everything that lacks a full
explaination to UFO's.  Some tried to claim that most of the mysterious
deaths and disappearances of people were UFO abductions.  Well, we have
seen the Results of one Jeffery Dahmer and how many more are out their
who won't get caught??  It turns out that if you have no motive for
killing someone it is very easy to get away with it.

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From: [e-mail] (Dan Sjolseth)
Subject: Re:  **** Warning *****
Date: 26 Aug 91 01:57:45 GMT

> * Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo"
> * Originally from Mike Mansfield
> * Originally dated 07-05-91 23:20

> In a recent 'research study' done by UTMB
> Neuropsychology Galveston on theeffects of migrane headaches
> upon lifestyle, a few CURIOUS questions arose, being that my
> wife was a participant, she was able to relay this
> information to me.  (She had recently been scheduled for a
> Cat Scan to diagnose unusual migrane headaches)
> The questionairres were in general, mostly generic, but
> the following questions were asked that make me feel
> *perhaps* something more is being studied than just
> headaches...
> 1) Have you ever felt you were being watched?
> next question was a clincher...
> 2) Do you believe in Extraterrestrial life?

> I see little reason that such questions should be included
> in a purely scientific study unless the medical profession
> has turned 180 degrees and suddenly believes in
> extraterrestrials...

> (still waiting for the results of the Cat-Scan... although
> I wonder if we'll get to see what was actually taken, or
> not...)

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Not likely Mike, as the cat scan is magnetic.

Dan...

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: CATTLE MUTILATIONS
Date: 27 Aug 91 00:46:28 GMT

Cattle Mute. is an interesting question. Here we have evidence of something
happening and don't know why or how. Just for interest sake a bit of
information. A knife made from stone (obsidian for a prime example) is
sharper that the best surgical steel used in hospitals today. Good flint
impliments can have thickness down to microns, along with the natural
serrations. If someone is using "crude" tools, they can make better, sharper
cuts than we would get in the hospital.

If anyone has doubts about this information, I will supply assorted
archaeological research sources.

It could be part of the puzzle pieces.
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 28 Aug 91 07:58:53 GMT


 >    Would you happen to carry a book by Jacques Vallee called
 > MESSENGERS OF DECEPTIONS.  It may be out of print.

I have a few of them coming in. They should be here on or
about Friday. Paperback - $6.95

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: UFO show
Date: 27 Aug 91 02:29:00 GMT


 JH>   Unfortunately, the Congress is apparently a bust. About
 JH> 40 people showed up, and the promoters are probably going
 JH> to take a loss. This was due to very high initial admission
 JH> price, an almost-total lack of advertising, then a
 JH> half-price offer that no one knew about. Too bad.

Considering that at first they wanted to charge $50 a *day*, and
were finally persuaded to drop it to $25 because of the efforts
of Jim Greenen...I'd say they were _fortunate_ to have that many
people.

Why is it when new people attempt something..they have to create
exorbitant prices to go along with it (thinking aloud...)

Too bad I missed Jorge Martin, but I'm glad I caught Wendelle
and was able to see his presentation on the UFO's over Mexico,
and Bill Herman case..

Don




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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: UFO show
Date: 27 Aug 91 04:48:00 GMT


 > Considering that at first they wanted to charge $50 a *day*, and
 > were finally persuaded to drop it to $25 because of the efforts
 > of Jim Greenen...I'd say they were _fortunate_ to have that many
 > people.

  Yeah, that's absolutely for sure. The almost-total lack of advertising
didn't help much either.

 > Why is it when new people attempt something..they have to create
 > exorbitant prices to go along with it (thinking aloud...)

  Those guys were trying to raise as much money as possible for the museum, I
think. They probably would have packed the house at $50 a head for the whole
thing. Problem is they eventually did that but didn't tell anyone.

 > Too bad I missed Jorge Martin,

  If you see Jorge's slide show, you'll remember it _forever_. ;-)

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Epilepsy & Dogs
Date: 26 Aug 91 16:27:00 GMT

JH>  Interesting. He sure knows the difference between coming
JH>in for a bath or just hanging out. Maybe dogs can somehow
JH>detect brain electrical patterns and have learned to
JH>associate certain patterns with certain things.

Yeah.  I keep coming back to what Tesla said about "hearing" electrical
(really scalar) activity.  About sound, light, and EM radiation being "all
the same thing".  He made this statement in the early 20s and it got him
branded a Grade-A looney by the scientific establishment.

I wonder if accidents of birth or actual injuries can endow humans with
capabilities similar to your hypothetical psychic dog.  Tesla claimed that
he could "hear" his EM radiation...

Best,
  Clark

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 467

                           Saturday, August 31st 1991

Today's Topics:

                                     phone #
                     Crop Circles - The Ickleton Mandelbrot
                                      Orion
                               Re: New UFO Titles!
                                   Re: phone #
                                    Re: Orion
                                    Oechsler
                       New Linda Moulton Howe Documentary
                               Re: New UFO Titles!
                             Re: Cattle Mutilations
                                  Ogden Objects
                                  Alien Liaison
                            Crop Circles vs. Fractals
                                Re: Ogden Objects

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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: phone #
Date: 29 Aug 91 04:55:00 GMT


Hi, Jim

I'd like to talk to you about a few things over the phone if
possible. Can you post an evening phone number where I can reach
you, along with the best days and times to make the attempt.

Thanks,

Sheldon

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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: Crop Circles - The Ickleton Mandelbrot
Date: 29 Aug 91 06:43:00 GMT

Since I never heard of a Mandelbrot until I read Robert Trevelyan's  message, I
took particular note of something I saw in the current issue of Compu$erve'$
magazine which arrived today.  They have a program available for download to
Mac users with Color QuickDraw in ROM and a floating-point coprocessor.  An FPU
is necessary on the LC.  The file is called: MANDTV.SIT (32 kb)  in Library 2
of the ZMAC Download & Support Forum.  It's a high-res, color Mandlebrot
generator developed by Abbott Systems.

This is a Public Service Announcement from a Non-Mac-user.
It's freeware so try to freq it somewhere other than CI$.

                                                 --  John

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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: Orion
Date: 29 Aug 91 07:03:00 GMT

Hi Jim!

        Another thing I noticed in the current CI$ magazine was a
simulation game for Macs called "Orion".  Here's the description:

    > A simulation in which you fly at many times the speed of
    > light through an accurate representation of space.
    > Shareware.  File ORION.SIT (56,832 bytes) in (MACFUN) lib 2

Is there anything like this available for us "normal" :-)  DOS
people?  I've been waiting for something like this for a while,
and I figure that you have too.

BTW, there's a great ad for Procomm Plus on pg 43 with
"insectograms", etc.  It looks like DataStorm has the likes of us
ParaNet'ers in their crosshairs.  Perhaps Bob X-ler would say:
"The CEO of DataStorm is a Brookings Inst. heavyweight ... " :-)

                                     --  John

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 28 Aug 91 13:29:00 GMT

PF> > MESSENGERS OF DECEPTIONS.  It may be out of print.

PF>I have a few of them coming in. They should be here on or
PF>about Friday. Paperback - $6.95


Sold!  How much xtra for postage/handling?

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: phone #
Date: 29 Aug 91 06:34:00 GMT

In a message to Jim Speiser <08-28-91 21:55> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote:
-> I'd like to talk to you about a few things over the phone if
-> possible. Can you post an evening phone number where I can reach

Soitanly. 602-951-3458. Try me before 9PM MST, as I have a tendency to TRY
to go to sleep earlier these days. (Tonight was no exception, I was just
unsuccessful).

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Orion
Date: 29 Aug 91 06:41:00 GMT

Hi John...

I saw a game like that for an Atari computer, I think it was called the
MEGA. I forget the name of the software, but you could basically warp around
the local area, out to around 20 ly, I think.

I hate to say it, but Oechsler DID make one good point, it DOES seem like
every segment of the media EXCEPT the hard news is targeting UFOs. Levi
Jeans with their EBE commercial, the abduction on "Dynasty", the UFO story
on "Miami Vice", that gray in the full page ad for....was it Atlantic
Richfield? I think it may just be the fact that there are UFO freaks in
every walk of life, and the media is no exception.

Jim

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Oechsler
Date: 30 Aug 91 05:36:47 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

+   There's more.  Bob apparently ran away and joined the Ringling Bros.
+and Barnum & Bailey International Organization, and as Bob tells it,
+from eaqrly NOv. 1989 thru late Jan. 1990, worked for them in getting
+actual captured alien spacecraft and an 'alien/ET corpse in a cryogenic
+tank' for use in a proposed travelling public exhibition.

Yow!  Shades of the 'Minnesota Iceman'!  (This was some sort of alleged
hairy humanoid frozen in a block of ice and touring various carnivals in, I
think, the sixties.)

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From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked
Subject: New Linda Moulton Howe Documentary
Date: 30 Aug 91 07:24:37 GMT

From: Mike Dobbs <[e-mail]>

I spoke with Henry Winkler Productions today and was told that FOX has
scheduled Linda Moulton Howe's new UFO documentary for October 18 -
although this could change.  The name of it is 'Mysteries of the Unknown'.

--------
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 30 Aug 91 04:31:00 GMT

Hi Paul -

Please post an address and I'll snailmail a check to you for the
Vallee book

(O boy, can't wait!)

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Cattle Mutilations
Date: 28 Aug 91 07:21:00 GMT


 * Replying to a message originally to Jim Delton

 PF>  > From what I've read, they don't seem to be able to pin
 PF>  > down a specific cause of death in very many cases, if
 PF>  > any.  Also, in many cases they can't even find
 PF>  > footprints around the animal from the killers.  They
 PF>  > often blame Satanists yet I don't recall a single
 PF>  > instance of the supposed satanists ever being caught
 PF>  > or of them even identifiying potential suspects.
 PF>
 PF> I don't recall reading a cause of death before either. But
 PF> the question of "how to mutilate a cow" keeps coming up in
 PF> my mind.
 PF>
 PF> Although I have no intention of mutilating a cow, I am
 PF> serious about my question. Assume you wanted to extract
 PF> some cow blood and organs from a cow, how do you go about
 PF> it? You have to immobilize that cow somehow - but how?


I think an even bigger question along these lines should be:

*  How do you prevent vascular collapse from occuring?  *

This seems to be a key issue,in my opinion.

I don't think our current level of medical technology can accomplish this..

This appears to me in reviewing a number of mute reports, to be a
common thread. Even if you mutilate specific organs, you're going
to have blood loss..how, given the preciseness in the reported
cuts in animals are you going to be able to accomplish this minus
blood loss AND no vascular collapse..in many cases, there is _no_
blood..and the remaining organs of mutes don't show any damage or
collapse..

You _could_ use a laser..but I'm not sure how "efficient" this is
going to be nor am I overly convinced that it's use would prevent
vascular collapse..

Hmmmm.....to me , these issues would seem to winnow out a good deal
of so-called "satanic" rituals on some mutes..

Good question....

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Ogden Objects
Date: 30 Aug 91 17:46:00 GMT

Clark,
        John Hicks has suggested I contact you about the story of
the mysterious metal objects supposedly found about 60 miles north
of Odgen.  He says you might have a link.  I'm really stumped on
this story and would appreciate any help or ideas or suggestions --
however "iffy" they might seem -- that you could offer and would
love to hear from you about this.  Please let me know the best way
to reach you, or if I should send a phone number by Email or CIS.
        Thank you for your time and help!
                                ==Peggy==
(CIS #71760,1140)
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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Alien Liaison
Date: 31 Aug 91 18:06:00 GMT

To:Linda Bird
Thanks for the information re the MUFON Journal article on the book
"Alien Liaison". I have now received a copy of the MUFON Journal
article and digested it. It may well cast new light on the work of
Good and Oechsler.
Oechsler's MUFON conference paper in 1989: "The Chesapeake
Connection:An implication of corporate involvement in the cover up",
struck me as drawing some rather firm conclusions from threads only of
information/fact.
I am following up an item from "Alien Liaison"-pages 96-98 re a
mystery sphere said to have been found on the Woomera rocket range
here in South Australia in 1958/59. The book relates that similar
spheres were found in both South Australia and Queensland, states of
Australia in the early 1960's. This latter detail is correct, spheres
were found in the early 60's. However, these latter spheres, although
mysterious at first turned out to be satellite debris. The debris
included Russian oxygen tanks-spherical. Some of these tanks were
perfect spheres with no apparent joints but had been welded internally
using electonic techniques which were apparently ahead of both the USA
and UK at the time. Thus the mystery.
It could well be that Good's informant has his dates mixed up or it is
an attempt to cash in on the known facts. Good's informant is
anonymous I note.
I am attempting through unofficial channels to have the relevant
archives inspected.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Crop Circles vs. Fractals
Date: 31 Aug 91 06:19:00 GMT

(4789)  Mon 26 Aug 91 12:13p
By: [e-mail]
To: All
Re: Fractals & Crop Circles
St: Local Sent                                                            4989>
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From: [e-mail]
Date: 26 Aug 91 14:35:59 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic

There was a report in the 25th August edition of the Sunday Telegraph
about crop circles. It appears that rather than the "traditional"
shapes, this time a Mandelbrot set has appeared in Cambridgeshire.

It was a relatively short article, and if anyone is interested I will
stick it on the net.

OK so it's a hoax, but how does one produce a fairly accurate looking
Mandelbrot set in the middle of a field? Any ideas?

Regards.

Tim Greening-Jackson
European Space Operations Centre, 6100 Darmstadt, Germany



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Here's  the article about the crop circles. It is taken from
the Sunday Telegraph of 25th August 1991.

------8<----------8<----------8<------------8<----------8<---

CORNFIELD PHANTOM HAS FARMER FOXED

The  most  complex  mathematical  model  -  known   as   the
Mandelbrot  set - has appeared as a beautifully-exectued de-
sign in a wheat field south of Cambridge.

At first presumed to be an  elaborate  hoax  perpetrated  by
Cambridge  University students, the area of flattened cereal
- only visible from the air - extended for  about  180  feet
and  was  first  spotted  by  a commuting businessman from a
light aircraft before the crop was harvested.

"I haven't a clue what caused it," said Mr. Hugh Raybone, on
whose farm at Barley, near Royston, the phenomenon  occured.
"I certainly have not cooperated in any hoax."

His farming neighbour, Mrs. Sian Wombwell, walked around the
configuration.

"I stood in the middle of it. It was quite astonishing," she
said. "I graduated in biology and have been an agronomist by
trade  for 15 years. If this was a hoax it was extraordinar-
ily clever.

"We know that it arrived overnight in a field  of  wheat  30
inches tall.  It would have required floodlights to carry it
out. It was incredibly precise," said Mrs. Wombwell.

"Each circle was perfect, the wheat flattened clockwise, and
at  the  base of the heart it tapered down to a single stalk
of wheat. Every stalk had been flattened one quarter  of  an
inch  above  the  soil.    There  were  no  footmark  in the
tramlines left by spraying machinery and no sign of any  ma-
chinery  used to create the effect. It was beautifully done,
but how, I can't even begin to speculate."

Cambridge mathematics department denies any involvement with
the appearance of the arable Mandelbrot design - a computer-
generated figure spawned via  the  vogue  theory  of  "chaos
mathematics".

The  man  who discovered it, Mr. Benoit Mandelbrot, was very
pleased to hear of his theory taking root.

"I think it's extremely  amusing,"  said  the  computer  re-
searcher  yesterday.    "And  it's  certainly pleasing to be
rememebered in this way. But I can tell  you,  I  plead  not
guilty.  Was  it  a students' joke? I don't think it was the
work of extra-terrestrials. I can't wait  to  see  what  the
next one will look like.

-------8<----------8<----------8<----------8<----------8<---

Comments?

Tim  Greening-Jackson
European Space Operations Centre, 6100 Darmstadt, Germany


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Ogden Objects
Date: 31 Aug 91 16:42:00 GMT

PN>        John Hicks has suggested I contact you about the
PN>story of the mysterious metal objects supposedly found
PN>about 60 miles north of Odgen.  He says you might have a
PN>link.  I'm really stumped on this story and would
PN>appreciate any help or ideas or suggestions -- however
PN>"iffy" they might seem -- that you could offer and would
PN>love to hear from you about this.  Please let me know the
PN>best way to reach you, or if I should send a phone number
PN>by Email or CIS.

Hi Peggy.  My link is a tenuous one.  A user on my BBS is an engineer who's
done some "dark grey" (semi-black, in other words) work from time to time.
He heard about the things from a professional acquaintance in a similar
line of work.

OMNI is on the case, apparently.  Present thinking is that the objects may
be leftovers from the MX missile track that was planned for the Ogden area
in the mid-70's.  That does not explain why the DOE would dig them up, by
happenstance, 15 years later while burrowing a nuclear materials depository
3 times deeper than they ordinarily do.

Either the DOE thing is a cover for a nuclear mess buried by the USAF in the
1970s before they lost funding for MX (maybe it's over an aquafer?).  Or
maybe DOE is up to something else & needs a prefab, deeply dug tunnel
system.  In the opinion of the fellow here, it's no accident that the thing
was uncovered, simply because one of his friends was involved.

Best way to leave a number for me is to call my BBS:  201-451-5583.  I don't
get on CIS at all these days.

Best,
  Clark

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 468

                           Sunday, September 1st 1991

Today's Topics:

                            How old are the 'greys'?
                               Hudson Valley Tape
                            Hudson Valley Tape [2/3]
                            Hudson Valley Tape [3/3]
                             Blue Grass Crop Circle
                         Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 1)
                         Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 2)
                         Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 3)

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From: cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu!al463
Subject: How old are the 'greys'?
Date: 1 Sep 91 05:03:55 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Christopher A. Joseph)


How old is the classic 'grey' description?

I have in my posession a comic book dated April, 1967 (Flying Saucers,
#1  DELL). The aliens are depicted as being pale white, with large
heads, and large eyes. They are short in stature and look very much
like what we would call a 'grey'; too much to be a coincidence.

It just has me wondering now.


 Chris Joseph


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Hudson Valley Tape
Date: 1 Sep 91 04:52:00 GMT

I thought I would cross-post this series of messages from the Science echo.
They are from Maury Markowitz, with whom I have been corresponding regarding
the Hudson Valley case for the past year and a half. I'll be working on a
response, but I thought ParaNet readers would benefit from Mr. Markowitz'
wry post (or is that riposte?)

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Message #10825 "Science" (RECEIVED)
Date: 27-Aug-91 13:25
From: Maury Markowitz
To:   Jim Speiser
Subj: UFO Tape
Next Reply is Message #10826

  AHHH!  That's where you went.  I wanted to get a message FROM you to reply
to so that I would not get your name wrong (I'm very bad with names).

  Anyway, I did receive the second tape (and in one piece no less, OK, NOW
you can send the XXX rated stuff :-) and viewed it several times...

  You're not going to like me very much, but this SHOULD be public...

Recently, Jim sent me two tapes about the UFO cases around Brewster New
York.  About 1 1/2 years ago, I stated here on this echo that I was of the
opinion, reading about it only, that the "object" being viewed were airplanes
flying at night with the cockpit lights on.  I also felt that there was a LOT
of circumstantial evidence to support it, like...

A police officer chased one of the objects around the back roads until he
watched it land, in the form of airplanes, at the local airport.

The bulletin board at the airport sported "UFO burger, with unidentified
flying sauce"

All meetings about the UFO's were well attended by pilots

Several pictures of stickers etc reading "UFO's, do it better!" were to be
found in pilot's homes.

  All of this seemed pretty obvious to me.  But Jim stated that there were
several objects that could not be explained away this easily, and sent me a
tape on them...

In the first tape, the single "famous" object is to be seen, it consists of
a ring of 6 lights with one "leading" them that flashes.  After viewing the
tape, I still have no trouble stating, that in my opinion, that these can
EASILY be explained as airplanes.  Furthermore, seeing as I have seen planes
from just about every angles as a skydiver, I could even make an ID as 152's.
 I did rie to Jim's challenge, and took the tape to the jumping club, there
the pilots (oops, that should be 182's above) pointed out that I was wrong,
the circle was probibly 152's, and the lead was a 182, easily identified by
the flashing light on the wing (of which, our 182, CF-NBW sports one).
  Jim them sent me a second tape, and now I'm even more convinced...

The second tape had two shows on it about Brewster.  The first talked about
this and that, and showed the ring again.  Then they mentioned that planes
had fakes SOME of the sightings, but that the people who filmed this one saw
a "faked" on that they could tell was airplanes.  However, this one showed a
sort of wedge, and was obviously MUCH closer , as the lights were much
brighter, while in the same basic formation (bright light in front, dimmer
light right behind it).
  Then they also talked to a guy at JPL.  Jeez, you thought the creationists
took stuff out of context!  The guy comes right out and states that he is
sure these are NOT spacecraft (to paraphrase), and says simply that while
airplanes is given as the explaination for the one film "and I see no reason
to disagree", there is no explaination GIVEN for the second, and he sees no
reason to give one.  The narrator then comments "IN other words, it remains
unexplained".  OH COME ON!!!  I'd SUE if they did that to me on a show!

cont'd...

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Hudson Valley Tape [2/3]
Date: 1 Sep 91 04:53:00 GMT

Message #10826 "Science" (RECEIVED)
Date: 27-Aug-91 13:38
From: Maury Markowitz
To:   Jim Speiser
Subj: UFO Tape
Previous Reply is Message #10825.  Next Reply is Message #10827

  Here's the neat part.  The second show talks about itself a little, and
how they were going to explore things like faith healing, metal bending etc.

Great.  You guys have got to here the line he says at the beginning,  while
completely correct, it's one of those old "well, it's just a THEORY"
things... where have we heard that before.

  This one was a classic, whenever they talked to someone (no, we didn't
coach them on what to say, NO!), they would put at the bottom what they did,
like "high tech bio engineer".  Hmm.. is there a "low tech bio engineer".
I'd like to know what he does, perhaps pump out septic tanks?
  ANYWAY... they get to one guy how stars describing the object that he saw
as a triangle, then they show you some pictures that he drew of it... hmmm.
funny, looks just like the one that the first tape showed as being an
obvious
fake!  At least THEY got it on tape!  My sister and I started laughing so
hard we were crying!
  At the end came the REAL hit... they get one sceptic (the guy who writes
for AW&ST, I forget his name) to talk abut it.  He says that it's funny,
because he was talking to one of the bosses at the FAA and was asking him
why
they let the pilots get away with these stunts.  Well, apparently I was
wrong, there is no law againced it.  So he points out that if one of these
guys crashes and someone dies, he's going to be on the Hill the next morning
trying to explain why they didn't stop it.  The next day, a FFA guy goes out
to the airport and tells them to lay off.  Not one UFO has been seen since.

  Hmmm.. like the crop circles...

a)  Aliens can get sued by the FAA and thus respect the ruels..
b)  They cannot fly during the day...
c)  They can metamophize into airplanes in flight...
etc etc etc.

Jim, before this was nothing more than a curiosity.  Now I'm CONVINCED.
Thanks!

  You also stated that JPL said that the objects were afixed to a ridgid
object.  I replied that it was probibly an off-the-cuff statement and that
they had not yet taken a good look at it.  Well, I got the file... and due
to the amazing cut and paste...

Several of our scientific folk have taken a look at the tape.
The examination has been only visual - I don't think we can apply the effort
needed for a really quantitative analysis.

  Funny, you stated that this was not the case.  Amazing how close I came,
don't you think? And as to off-the-cuff...

 We would guess that the lights are
attached to one rigid object - a guess might be an airship (blimp) of some
sort.

   GUESS Jim, GUESS!  BOTH my guesses about the statement were true as well,
they had not taken a good look, and just made a guess after a cursory
examination!  Have YOU written to them to find out their current thoughts on
the matter?

cont...

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3]
Date: 1 Sep 91 04:54:00 GMT

Message #10827 "Science" (RECEIVED)
Date: 27-Aug-91 13:51
From: Maury Markowitz
To:   Jim Speiser
Subj: UFO Tape
Previous Reply is Message #10826.

  About the sound... this weekend I was out at the club (I'm there every
weekend that the weather is nice), and I watched NBW take off.  While it was
still only 1/2 a mile away (or less, hard to tell from the angle, but still
over the runway which is under 3000 feet), the aircraft was SILENT.  No, I
don't mean quiet or hard to hear, I mean SILENT.  And this was at full
throttle, full pitch (take off run).  Again, I state that I find it entirely
believable that the objects described and photographed (taped) are easy to
explain as aircraft, even without all the circumstantial evidence.  If you
don't believe this to be the case, that's fine.

However, I'll do one better.  I'll invite you to join me out at the club,
and I'll even pay for a ride in FOU (nteresting, FOU, UFO...) the Beech
Bonaza, which I know you'll enjoy (notably watching the crazies like me jump
out the back of it at 10,500 feet! :-).  You'll get a good chance to see and
hear what I'm talking about.  And if you wish, I will demonstrate the
reaction mass effect for you, that Cy states airplanes do not use.  In other
words, I'll let you get blown on your kiester too! :-)

Maury

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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Blue Grass Crop Circle
Date: 1 Sep 91 10:02:56 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

The next five messages constitute ParaNet's preliminary report on a
crop circle and related events which occurred recently in the town of
Blue Grass, Iowa.  Copies of portions of the report will be sent to the
primary witnesses for confirmation and clarification, so there may be
some (hopefully minor) changes in the report after their input has been
received.  Any major alterations, or significant further developments,
will be reported in future messages.
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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 1)
Date: 1 Sep 91 10:04:20 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

                     PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE
                     Field Investigation Report


CASE NUMBER:    PN-91-0001

REPORT NUMBER:  PN-91-0001-1 (29 Aug 91)

INCIDENT DATE:  Wed/Thu, August 21/22, 1991

INCIDENT TIME:  9:30 pm to 3:00 am Central Time

INCIDENT LOCATION

    Blue Grass, Iowa (90 deg 45 min W, 41 deg 30 min N)

WEATHER AND ASTRONOMICAL CONDITIONS

    Clear skies, no precip, temp in low 70s, wind < 10 mph [1]
    Sunset 7:57 pm Wednesday, sunrise 6:21 am Thursday
    Moonrise 5:58 pm Wednesday, moonset 3:34 am Thursday
    Saturn 8.5 degrees from moon.  No other planets visible.
    Lunar illumination 91%.

WITNESSES

    Delmar 'Snowball' Meyer, farmer, Blue Grass, Iowa.
    J.H., farmer, Blue Grass, Iowa.
    M.A., housewife, Blue Grass, Iowa.
    S.S., shift worker, Blue Grass, Iowa.

    Names of confidential witnesses will be made available to
    authorized ParaNet researchers by request.


PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATORS

    James Roger Black, Iowa City, Iowa (author of this report)
    Robert W. Atwood, Iowa City, Iowa (photographer and associate)


SUMMARY

A 46.5-foot circle appeared in a corn field east of Blue Grass,
Iowa, on the night of Wednesday/Thursday, August 21-22, 1991.  One
witness saw an unidentified light moving over nearby fields around
9:30 pm.  A second witness on a road adjacent to the field
reported seeing a classic saucer descending toward the field as if
preparing to land between 12:30 and 1:00 am.  A third witness
heard an unusual 'rumbling, bumping sound' between 2:00 and 3:00
am.  A second circle appeared in a different field on the night of
Saturday/Sunday, August 24-25, 1991, but it appears to be a hoax
perpetrated in response to the first circle.


BACKGROUND

Blue Grass, Iowa, is a farming community of approximately 1400
people near the Iowa/Illinois border.  It sits astride U.S.
Highway 61 between Davenport (4 miles east of Blue Grass in the
'Quad Cities' area) and Muscatine (20 miles southwest of Blue
Grass); Interstate 80 lies about 7 miles to the north and the
Mississippi River about 4 miles to the south.  Despite its
proximity to a major metropolitan area, Blue Grass still has the
feel of an isolated rural community, and the surrounding corn and
soybean fields can be quite dark and forbidding in the dead of
night.

As in most small towns, everyone knows everybody and their
business, which leads leads to some interesting relationships
among the witnesses in this case.  For example, M.A.'s husband
regularly plays cards with Snowball Meyer; and C.S., who helps
care for M.A.'s husband because of his chronic medical problems,
is the brother of S.S.  In a larger community such inter-
relationships would immediately raise questions of collusion; in a
town like Blue Grass, it is merely an inevitable part of the local
culture.

The Blue Grass area, like much of eastern Iowa, has been a hotbed
of UFO activity for years.  One sightseer we encountered during
our investigation told us that she had been 'chased home' in her
car by a brightly lit UFO in 1956, and we were told that another
Blue Grass resident's vacation campsite in southern Iowa had been
buzzed by bright lights earlier in the year.  Last year a similar
crop circle in a corn field near Milan, Illinois, just across the
Mississippi River, was examined by MUFON investigators [2], and
several UFO-related incidents were reported in the press.  Two of
the witnesses in the present case reported frequent nocturnal
lights and close encounters during the past two years, culminating
in the events which are narrated in this report.


EVENT #1:  SNOWBALL MEYER'S CROP CIRCLE

On Friday, August 23, 1991, ParaNet investigator Robert W. Atwood
of Iowa City, Iowa, learned from a co-worker that a crop circle
had appeared in a field owned by the co-worker's father-in-law,
Delmar 'Snowball' Meyer of Blue Grass, Iowa.  Mr. Atwood
immediately contacted me by telephone and together we drove to
Blue Grass, arriving at Mr. Meyer's farm at about 5:30 pm.

Snowball has been a farmer ever since he left the Marines in 1954;
he has been at his present location for 20 years.  He is 57 years
old, with three children, and remarried after the death of his
first wife.  He has no religious affiliation and no hobbies--'just
this crazy farming' and a few rounds of golf 'when I've got the
time'.  He is respected by his neighbors and described as 'not one
to draw attention to himself.'

The farm is located approximately 1.25 miles east of Blue Grass
amid gently rolling hills, on the southeast corner of the
intersection of Highway 61 and Coon Hunter Road.  It appears tidy
and prosperous, with five major buildings and some metal storage
silos in addition to a large farmhouse.  There is also an older
concrete silo standing by itself at the southeast corner of the
homestead.

We were directed to the circle by Mr. Meyer's son and grandson;
Snowball himself was already at the circle with some friends when
we arrived.  The circle was situated in a corn field about 150
yards south of the homestead, on a slight incline which slopes
downward toward the northwest.  The field is completely surrounded
by an electric fence except for a large metal gate on the north
side.  Mr. Meyer's family assured us that the fence was
electrified Wednesday night, and that due to its design (using
line current instead of a battery) it would deliver a particularly
nasty jolt to anyone who came in contact with it.

Local television station KWQC had already visited the farm and
carried a 'humorous' story about the circle on their noon news
report, prompting a number of neighbors to visit the site before
we got there; but Snowball had been careful to minimize damage to
the circle and the surrounding fields.  The corn was well over our
heads and closely planted (about 3.5 feet between rows and only 6
inches between individual plants within the rows), and we had to
walk carefully to keep from damaging the remaining crops.  A
pronounced trail leading from the gate to the circle had been
formed by the steady stream of visitors and family members; two
smaller trails leading toward Coon Hunter Road were attributed to
sightseers who had come that way after the fence was turned off.
Snowball insisted that he had carefully examined the field
immediately after finding the circle and that there had been no
evidence of trails or footprints at that time.

He explained that he first noticed the circle about 6 pm Thursday
afternoon while driving on Coon Hunter Road.  He added that the
circle was only partially visible from the road, appearing from
that vantage point as a semicircle rather than a complete circle,
but that from the moment he saw it 'something told me this is what
I was going to find.'  He was certain the circle was not there at
6 pm Wednesday (which is corroborated by the fact that the leaves
of the fallen plants were still green when he first examined them
Thursday evening).  He concluded that the circle must been formed
some time Wednesday night; but he could recall nothing unusual
about that night, and he confessed that he was completely baffled
by the whole thing.  He also said that he had never had any
problems in the past with vandals, pranksters, trespassers,
thieves, or any other peculiar or troublesome events.

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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 2)
Date: 1 Sep 91 10:06:58 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

[Blue Grass Crop Circle:  begin part 2 of 5]

Snowball reported the incident to the Scott County Sheriff's
Department almost immediately (at 7:06 pm Thursday according to
the official report), but the investigating officer had dismissed
the incident as an act of 'vandalism' despite an inability to find
any footprints or any evidence of how it was accomplished. [3]
Snowball said that the incident had left him 'keyed up' and
nervous, and that he had trouble sleeping Thursday night; he said
it bothered him to think that things like this could happen on his
land without his knowledge or consent.

Within the circle, the corn plants had been swirled counter-
clockwise around the center in a manner similar to the wheat
circles in England, with the individual stalks lying at right
angles to the radius.  With few exceptions the stalks were not
broken off but rather had been simply pushed over flat against the
ground as if by a high wind, with the roots on one side pulled out
of the ground and those on the other still buried.  (Those stalks
that were broken off--we counted only four, all clustered together
near the western edge of the circle--were broken cleanly just
above the roots, and there was still considerable moisture in the
break.)  There was no evidence of any damage to leaves or stalks
(both of which are very fragile due to the low rainfall in recent
weeks), and none of the ears had been detached.  Four other plants
which had previously been pulled over and broken by foraging
raccoons (as evidenced by their gnawed and discolored ears) were
still standing in various parts of the circle; they measured
between 19 and 30 inches tall and showed no evidence of recent
damage.  In one place--again on the western edge--the leaves
seemed to have been swirled around adjacent stalks somewhat like
the 'braiding' patterns reported in English wheat circles.

We measured the circle's diameter half a dozen times, and each
time arrived at the figure of 46.5 feet with an error of at most a
couple of inches.  The investigating officer from the Sheriff's
office had examined the center of the circle and found no evidence
that a spike or post had been driven into the ground there; we
conducted our own search and found nothing either.  The
circumference was clearly defined, again in the manner of the
English circles; a plant inside the circle would be pushed over
and lying perfectly flat, while another plant only six inches away
but outside the circle would be standing perfectly straight and
untouched.  The only irregularity was on the western edge, where
two or three plants outside the circle were slightly damaged; but
Snowball attributed this to the carelessness of the sightseers who
had come from that direction and insisted it had not been that way
when he first arrived on the scene.

The ground in this particular field is mostly clay and was
extremely dry (again due to the near-drought conditions), with no
evidence of any moisture at all in the first three or four inches
of soil.  Snowball informed us that the field is neither deeply
tilled nor chemically fertilized; instead he prefers to turn the
cows loose in it after the harvest and 'let them fertilize it for
me.'  As a result, the soil is quite hard and compacted.
Nevertheless, the surface was covered with a light, powdery layer
of dust which was easily disturbed; a cooler carried into the
circle earlier in the day by one of Snowball's friends had left
clear marks everywhere it was set down.  We found it was possible
to walk through the field without leaving footprints if one wore
flat-bottomed shoes and took great care, but field boots left
characteristic marks everywhere.

There was no obvious difference between the ground inside the
circle and the ground outside of it, and no evidence of
desiccation (beyond the drying and yellowing one would normally
expect of uprooted plants in the hot summer sun).  Several grass
plants were still green and standing amid the flattened corn, as
were a number of shorter buttonweeds; but the taller buttonweeds
had been broken (although not completely detached) and then
knocked over in the same spiral pattern as the corn.  Near the
center of the circle one very tall buttonweed plant had been
broken twice and left standing so that it formed a square with the
ground about two feet on a side.  The top edge of this particular
plant was a noticeably different color than the rest of it (grey
instead of dark green), but otherwise there was no unusual
discoloration of any of the plants.

As evening came on, we noticed a fair number of flies on the
fallen corn, but there was no other insect activity that we could
find.  Snowball did inform us, however, that there had been some
rootworm infestation in the field.  (Since rootworm weakens the
stalk near the base, it could explain the handful of plants which
had been broken off instead of uprooted.)  We took pictures of
everything we could think of, but did not take any soil or
vegetation samples both because of the lateness of our arrival and
because we have not yet arranged for use of the necessary
laboratory facilities.

On our way out of the field we encountered a small herd of cattle,
both cows and bulls, penned up near the old silo.  They seemed
unusually attentive to us, drawing up together in a mass and
staring at us for as long as we stood still.  At the slightest
movement, however, they 'spooked' and ran some distance away, then
turned and stared again.  Snowball's family said that their cows
have always been nervous and easily upset, so this is presumably
'normal' behavior for them, but it seemed very strange to us.  We
asked Snowball whether there had been any mutilations or missing
cattle in the area; he said he was not aware of any, but that with
cattle often set free to forage in the fields it might be days
before anyone would notice if one did turn up missing.

During the two hours we spent at Snowball Meyer's farm, there was
a steady stream of friends and neighbors who wandered by to see
the circle.  During the course of the ensuing discussions, we
picked up the names of three other witnesses to strange events on
Wednesday night and Thursday morning.  During the next few days I
talked with these witnesses by telephone and discovered that
Snowball's crop circle was only the tip of the iceberg.


EVENT #2:  'A RUMBLING, BUMPING SOUND'

Our second witness, J.H., is also a farmer in the Blue Grass area.
He lives east of Blue Grass and north of Highway 61, which puts
him about three-quarters of a mile northwest of Snowball Meyer's
place.

J.H. told me that early Thursday morning, some time between 2:00
and 3:00 am, he got up to go to the bathroom and heard a strange
sound, coming from the southeast, which lasted for about two
minutes.  He said that he 'never heard anything like it before,'
but at the time he attributed it to a tractor-trailer rig having
some kind of trouble on the highway.  Now, in light of the other
events of that night, he now wonders if it might have been
something else.  He described the noise as a 'rumbling sound with
a kind of bumping inside it' like 'a semi about to throw four caps
[tire re-treads] at once.'  He said that at night in the country,
especially in the kind of weather they had been having lately, it
was possible to hear noises from far away, and he considered it
quite possible that he could have heard sounds from the vicinity
of Snowball's farm.  He says he 'could kick himself' for not
looking out his bedroom window; it faces toward the east, and he
believes he might have been able to see the source of the sound if
he had only looked.

[End part 2 of 5]




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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 3)
Date: 1 Sep 91 10:09:26 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

[Blue Grass Crop Circle:  begin part 3 of 5]

EVENT #3:  A POSSIBLE LANDING

Our third witness, M.A., is a 47-year-old housewife.  She has been
married for 26 years, and lives with her husband (an ex-fireman
who lost his legs in a work-related accident), her mother, and
C.S., a 34-year-old friend of the family who helps care for her
husband; they also have an adopted daughter.  She has an eleventh-
grade education but seems intelligent and articulate; she smokes
but does not drink or use drugs.  She has never had any psychic or
occult experiences, and until last November had no interest
whatever in UFOs.  (In fact, she says she has long had an actual
aversion to the subject--'whenever someone would mention them, I'd
get up and walk away.')  She was raised Roman Catholic, and her
husband was raised in a Protestant church, but she says their
different backgrounds were never a problem; they 'believe in God'
but are not particularly religious and do not attend services
regularly.  She prefers a 'slow-paced, quiet life' and "doesn't
want any attention'; she thinks she 'may have made a mistake" in
telling people about her experiences because now they make fun of
her and think she is crazy.

M.A. has been seeing UFOs in the Blue Grass area since November
1990, when she was driving at night with her mother and saw a
strange light in the sky.  It drew nearer and finally hovered
about 150 feet above their car.  At first she thought it might be
a helicopter, but then decided that wasn't possible because it
made no discernible noise.  She stopped the car, turned off the
engine, and verified that she and her mother were both seeing the
same thing:  a classic flying saucer.

She described the saucer as having a silvery metallic skin, small
square windows 'like bathroom windows' around the circumference, a
white searchlight on a pole above, a row of white lights around
the rim, and a set of multicolored lights underneath.  Through the
windows she could see what looked like 'a computer room' with
colored lights and screens.  (Her husband runs a computer
bulletin-board system from his home, so the computer metaphor
would come naturally to her.)  The searchlight on the top was
shining forward, in the direction of travel, and was aimed
downward so that it illuminated part of the top of the craft and
bled over the rim 'like a flashlight shining over the edge of a
table top'.  The lights on the underside were clustered together
near the center and were flashing red, green, and white.  She
heard no noise at all,and she described the scene as actually
being quite 'peaceful.'

At first she said she was terrified, but then 'some kind of force'
took the fear away and she was able to contemplate the vehicle
calmly for about ten minutes.  Finally she started the engine and
began to drive away, and the craft immediately moved away and was
lost to sight.  Three or four times since then she has seen a
light which she believes to be the same craft moving in the
distance, especially late at night when she is travelling alone.
She finally got disgusted and decided to ignore it because of the
ridicule she was getting from her friends.

A couple of weeks before the corn-circle incident she saw the
light again and became extremely angry.  She 'thought' (rather
than spoke) to it, 'If you're for real, why don't you land?  Give
me some proof.'  She now believes that this may have been the
reason for the circle's formation two weeks later.

About 12:30 or 1:00 am Thursday morning she was driving east on
Highway 61, returning from a friend's house where she had gone to
watch cable TV.  Off to her left she saw the light again over the
fields north of the highway; she said it seemed to be directly
over Snowball Meyer's bean field.  Once again she decided to
ignore it, but after turning south onto Coon Hunter Road she
realized the light was also moving south, across the highway and
toward her.  As she watched in  her rear-view mirror, the light
stopped over Snowball's corn field and began to descend, dropping
straight down until she could no longer see it.  She continued
home and said nothing to anybody.  (And lest anyone think the
witness was merely confused by the full moon, it should be noted
that the moon at that hour was in the southwest, ahead and to her
right.  It could not have been visible in her rear-view mirror.)

Thursday morning she awoke with a headache and a backache, and her
ear hurt, all of which she attributed to 'sleeping on it wrong.'
She took a couple of aspirin, and the pain was gone by the end of
the day, but her back continued to be 'uncomfortable.'  She said
that C.S. commented to her that she had come in awfully late, 'in
the middle of the night'; she is confused by this, since she is
certain it could not have been much later than 1:00 am when she
arrived.

Friday, on the noon news, she saw the corn-circle report and
immediately went out to Snowball's farm.  She said that part of
her concern was that the news report was incorrect--they had said
the circle appeared Thursday night, when in fact she 'knew' it had
to have been Wednesday night.  She arrived while the news crew was
still on location and attempted to convince them of the correct
date, but they stuck by their story until Snowball agreed with
her.

When Snowball invited her to visit the circle, she replied that
she didn't need to 'because I already know what it's going to look
like.'  She did finally go to the site and viewed it from the
shelter of the still-standing corn, but could not bring herself to
cross the threshold into the circle itself.  She said that she got
'real, real scared' and had a strong feeling that she was "not
invited.'  She was afraid that if she stepped inside the circle,
something very bad would happen--but she had no idea what.

The events since last November have been difficult for M.A.  In
addition to teasing and ridicule from others, she has herself
wondered from time to time if she was losing her mind.  During the
course of the interview, she must have asked me a dozen times if I
thought she was crazy; she seemed much relieved to be hear that
there are thousands of others who have had similar experiences.

She says that her outlook on life has not been changed by her
experiences, and that she still has no interest in UFOs except as
they affect her directly.  In spite of her own experience with
them, she 'still doesn't know if I believe in them or not' and has
'tried to push it away.'  She says she has no interest in hearing
about the UFO experiences of others because she 'doesn't want to
start imagining things.'  She only wants to know the answers to
three questions:  (1) How was her fear taken away when she
encountered her first UFO last November?  (2) Why was she so
afraid to enter the crop circle in Snowball's corn field?  (3) Why
was she picked out for this bizarre sequence of events?  She says
that once these questions have been answered to her satisfaction,
she never wants to hear about UFOs again.

[End part 3 of 5]




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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 469

                           Sunday, September 1st 1991

Today's Topics:

                         Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 4)
                         Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 5)
                                Re: Ogden Objects

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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 4)
Date: 1 Sep 91 10:12:35 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

[Blue Grass Crop Circle:  begin part 4 of 5]

EVENT #4:  A BIG STING RAY and A LITTLE RED LIGHT

Our fourth witness, S.S., can contribute little to the immediate
events of August 21/22, 1991, but she has much to say about their
background.

S.S. is a divorced factory worker who lives with her parents.
(Her father is a firm skeptic and has never seen anything in spite
of her efforts to show things to him.  She says that 'they don't
like him.')  She began seeing lights in the sky near Blue Grass
about two years ago, and saw them quite frequently thereafter--
especially in the autumn--until last fall when they abruptly
stopped.  Because she works second shift in a nearby community,
she is often on the road late at night, and she says the lights
have frequently 'followed her home' from work.  At times she has
seen rows of cars stopped alongside Highway 61 in the early-
morning hours so the passengers could watch the distant lights
maneuver in the sky.

She described the lights as 'like a star' but says she can pick
them out as being somehow different from real stars, and that on
occasion they will suddenly drop down out of the sky and begin
moving across the fields.  She has also sometimes noticed that
when following her they seem to be 'in distress'; on these
occasions they display a contrail and seem to have difficulty
catching up with her.  They often travel in pairs, one large white
light accompanied by a smaller red light.  The larger light, she
says, generally stays north of the highway; but the small red
light has been seen to zip across the highway and travel around by
itself.  Sometimes it descends into the fields near her house and
remains there for long periods of time, giving her the impression
it is 'watching' her.  Once it sat behind her barn for a long time
and was viewed by her mother as well.

S.S. has apparently had at least two close encounters.  One, which
was conveyed to me by MUFON investigator Grey Woodman, happened in
1980 in Davenport, Iowa, when her car was approached by a bright
light and time seemed to slow down.  The other experience occurred
about two years ago when her boyfriend called her outside to
witness a huge UFO passing silently over her house.  She described
it as 'shaped like a sting ray' and so low that "if they had
dropped a ladder down I could have climbed aboard.'

Wednesday night at about 9:30 pm she saw the distant lights again
for the first time this year while she was on her way to work.
Once again they were on the north side of Highway 61, heading west
toward Muscatine.  She did not see anything on her way home

Like M.A., S.S. has received some amount of teasing and abuse from
others who have heard about her experiences; some have told her
that she ought to take up with M.A., because 'she sees that kind
of stuff, too.'  She seems less bothered by it all, however, and
is more inclined to challenge scoffers to come out and see for
themselves.


DISCUSSION:  CROP CIRCLE FORMATION

Much of our discussion with witnesses and with other researchers
about this case has centered on how this and other crop circles
could have been formed.

The easiest explanation, of course, is a hoax.  And, indeed, there
are some elements that might be consistent with a hoax.  The
center of the circle fell precisely between two rows of corn,
which is where one would expect a hoaxer to begin; and it was a
bright moonlit night, which would have obviated the need for
artificial illumination.

On the other hand, those who offer this answer will be hard-
pressed to come up with any mechanism consistent with the rest of
the physical evidence:

    The circle was perfectly round to within a few inches--about
    one percent of the radius.

    The individual corn stalks were precisely laid out at right
    angles to the radius.

    There were no signs of abrasion on the sides of the stalks, no
    damage to the leaves, and no detached ears of corn.

    Small weeds and grass in the circle were not trampled, broken,
    or otherwise damaged.

    Stalks which had already been broken by predators were left
    standing; only tall-standing, intact stalks were knocked down.

    There was no evidence of a central stake, footprints, or other
    marks of human intervention.

In general, force applied to the upper part of a mature corn stalk
will cause it to snap near that point; force applied to the lower
stalk will break it off between four and six inches above the
ground.  We found no evidence of either kind of damage in the
circle.  All but a handful of stalks were partially uprooted; the
rest were snapped off within an inch of the ground.  Both are
consistent with a force applied evenly to the entire length of the
stalk rather than at a particular point, which would seem to rule
out any mechanism involving a rope or chain.  The only hoaxing
method we can envision would require applying a slowly increasing
pressure at the base of each individual plant--within the first
six inches or so above the ground--until the roots gave way and
the plant toppled over.  Such an approach would be incredibly
time-consuming; there are approximately *one thousand* individual
plants in a circle of this size.  Several people might be able to
do it in an hour or two if they never stopped to rest and never
made a mistake; one person might do it in half the night.  If done
with bare hands it would require a lot of kneeling and crawling
around, which would almost certainly have left marks in the dust;
if done with machinery it should have left some kind of marks on
the stalks.  Further complicating the issue is the electric fence
(which would have required travel through the homestead area to
reach the gate) and the fact that dragging or carrying machinery
through the close-standing stalks should have left tell-tale
signs.  While a hoax can never be absolutely ruled out (people
can, after all, be extraordinarily clever when they want to be),
it seems extremely unlikely in this instance.

I discussed weather as an explanation for the circle with both
Snowball and J.H., but both firmly dismissed this possibility.
Snowball admitted that the field where the circle appeared is 'one
of the worst for windstorms' and that 'this hill catches it all
the time.'  But both he and J.H. insisted that never in their many
years of experience with wind damage had they ever seen corn
knocked over in a single perfect circle and the plants otherwise
left undamaged.  Normal storm winds, they said, will uproot the
stalks in a similar fashion, but in a straight line instead of a
circle; furthermore, there is always a considerable amount of
damage to the plants, especially torn or detached leaves, and
there are generally a significant number of plants left standing
in the midst of the damage.  A typical whirlwind, on the other
hand--far from forming a single perfect circle--will 'chew up'
crops in a long, jagged scar, leaving them tangled and torn but
still standing.  Finally, it should be noted that the weather in
the Blue Grass area during the time in question was dry and clear,
and the wind was less than 10 miles per hour--hardly consistent
with a violent windstorm.

The 'plasma vortex' explanation was initially attractive, since
this little-understood phenomenon allegedly forms near-perfect
spheres within which the kinds of high winds required by this case
can occur.  That line of thought fell apart, however, when we
learned that a crop circle formed last year in Milan, Illinois was
also measured at precisely 46.5 feet.[2]  It seems extremely
unlikely, to say the least, that 'plasma vortices' or any other
natural phenomenon would create two circles of identical diameter
within ten miles of each other in two successive summers.  This
would seem to require some kind of intelligent origin for both
circles, whether human or otherwise.  It should also be noted that
this particular circle formed in the middle of the only open
expanse in an area cluttered with trees, fences, roads, buildings,
and farm equipment.  One would expect a natural phenomenon to be a
little less discriminating.

[End part 4 of 5]




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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 5)
Date: 1 Sep 91 10:16:41 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

[Blue Grass Crop Circle:  begin part 5 of 5]

Of course, in the Milan case the circle was swirled clockwise
instead of counterclockwise, and most of the stalks were broken
off at ground level instead of uprooted.  However, this is not so
great a discrepancy as it might seem.  Whether corn will uproot or
snap off in high wind depends on how deeply it is rooted and
whether or not it is infested with insects which can weaken the
stalk.  In the Blue Grass circle, the roots of the corn plants
were only three or four inches deep (somewhat shallow for this
late in the year) which may have made them easier to uproot than
normal.  Furthermore, the one place where we found some stalks
broken off instead of uprooted was on the western (i.e., down-
slope) edge, where one would expect greater moisture and deeper
root systems.  Finally, the roots of the plants in question were
tangled together more tightly than most, and may have presented
greater opposition to whatever force toppled the other plants.

One other point about the Blue Grass circle needs to be
emphasized.  Whatever acted to create it, it did not involve the
kind of broad, crushing force that would be generated by large
planks or sheets of plywood--or, for that matter, by a grounded
flying saucer.  Some of the plants (the grass, smaller
buttonweeds, and previously broken corn stalks) remained upright
and undamaged, while everything around them was being flattened;
consequently, if some kind of vehicle descended toward the field
as M.A. claims, it could not have come closer than about thirty
inches to the ground.  It would seem that the force which created
the circle, whatever it was, acted on the stalks individually, not
collectively--and that fact must be paramount in any theory that
attempts to explain it.


DISCUSSION:  SIMILARITIES TO OTHER CASES

This case has so many similarities to others in the literature
that it's hard to know where to begin.  The Milan circle has
already been mentioned, of course, as well as the similarity to
characteristics of English crop circles.  But there are others.
Indeed, in many ways Blue Grass looks like a 'classic' case in the
sense that statistically it falls right in the middle on just
about everything.

To begin with, it took place on a Wednesday night, which just
happens to be the day of the week when the plurality of UFO
sightings occur.[4]  For another, it happened in a spot which was
bound to draw attention, rather than off in the middle of nowhere
as one might expect.  As John Keel put it in his book 'UFOs:
Operation Trojan Horse', UFOs 'prefer to land in the fields of
occupied farms and on major highways close to big cities'.[5]
This case exhibits both characteristics at the same time.

But the case that most often came to mind while investigating this
one was Budd Hopkins' 'Kathie Davis' case.[6]  As in the "Davis"
case, we have a mysterious circle forming in someone's back yard,
apparently in connection with a UFO landing; we have a witness who
reports possible missing time and physical complaints (even to the
location of that complaint in the ear); and we have a neighbor
reporting an odd roaring sound at the end of the incident.  Most
importantly, though, we have a whole group of people who all know
one another and all seem to be involved with the phenomenon in one
way or another, either as witnesses or as victims.  One wonders
what a door-to-door survey of Blue Grass and its environs might
turn up.


AFTERMATH

According to Snowball Meyer, the mayor of Blue Grass went up in a
small plane over the weekend to get a look at the circle from the
air, and immediately spotted a second circle in another one of
Snowball's corn fields.  This circle was adjacent to Highway 61
(only about 40 feet into the field) and approximately the same
size as the first; but unlike the first one, the stalks had all
been broken off about four to six inches above the ground--
precisely what one would expect from a hoax.  Snowball was of the
opinion that this circle was created by pranksters Saturday night
after news of the first circle got around, and he was not at all
pleased about it.  'If it's a prank and it keeps happening,
somebody's going to get hurt,' he warned.

Because of the near certainty that the second circle was a hoax,
we chose not to investigate it.  We do intend, however, to follow
up from time to time with witnesses M.A. and S.S., and to track
down some of the witnesses to other sightings in the Blue Grass
area.  The more we dig into this case, the more we are convinced
that we have just scratched the surface.

Meanwhile, what of the investigators themselves?  All too often
those who investigate UFO phenomena become its victims themselves.
For example, to quote John Keel again:  'Within a year after I had
launched my full-time UFO investigating effort ... the phenomenon
had zeroed in on me.'[7]  I am pleased to report that so far, at
least, nothing like that has happened to us.

Or, rather, almost nothing.  Friday night after returning from
Blue Grass, I excitedly called a fellow researcher and related in
some detail what I had seen; and with my permission he recorded
the call for future reference.  On Sunday afternoon he called me
back in a state of great agitation.  Saturday night his roommate
had returned from an errand to find their housecat inexplicably
traumatized and the room filled with the feeling that 'somebody
else has been here.'  Then, about 3 am Sunday morning, they had
been awakened by a series of poltergeist-style poundings on the
outside wall of their apartment building.  Finally, to top it all
off, when he played back the tape of our conversation on Sunday
afternoon, it was filled with a background chorus of moaning and
howling that sounded like something right out of 'The Exorcist.'
He still hasn't been able to determine how or why any of this
happened, or whether it is related to our investigation in Blue
Grass.  Neither have I.


CONCLUSION

In some respects the Blue Grass case is almost too good.  It seems
to have something for everybody:  nocturnal lights, strange
noises, crop circles, close encounters with flying saucers and
other exotic craft, the 'red light' which travels sometimes alone
and sometimes with others, possible missing time, and perhaps even
an abduction.  All we need is a dead cow--and I wouldn't be
surprised if one of those turned up sooner or later.  If I hadn't
visited the circle and talked to the witnesses myself, I might be
inclined to dismiss Blue Grass as a disinformation experiment by
some overzealous debunker to see just how gullible Ufologists can
be.

But I have visited the circle, and I have talked to the witnesses,
and I can't even explain what *I* saw--much less what they tell me
they saw (and heard).  Of course, it is always possible to dismiss
the testimony of inconvenient witnesses with the now-infamous
accusation of 'hoaxes, hallucinations, and misidentification of
known phenomena'; but I see no reason to do so in this case, and
many reasons not to.  The stories are consistent and mutually
supportive.  The witnesses do not exhibit any obvious signs of
deception, or of instability beyond the stress and uncertainty one
would expect from those who have experienced the unknown.  At this
point, anyway, and until some evidence to the contrary emerges, I
am inclined to believe them.


ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

My thanks and appreciation go to Robert W. Atwood, my fellow
researcher in this case, for his invaluable assistance and
suggestions; to Michael Corbin, Director of ParaNet Information
Service, for his enthusiasm and encouragement; and to Dr. Grey
Woodman of MUFON for sharing insights and information from his own
investigations of the Blue Grass and Milan cases.


FOR FURTHER INFORMATION

Send email to James R. Black ([e-mail])
or call [phone] Tuesday through Thursday between 9 am and 6 pm.

---------------
[1] U.S. Weather Service, Moline, Illinois (personal contact,
8/26/91).

[2] Jeff Fischer, 'Crop Circle at Milan, Illinois', MUFON Journal
#279, July 1991.

[3] Incident Report #91-36708, Scott County Sheriff's Department,
Davenport, Iowa.

[4] John Keel, 'UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse' (New York: Putnam,
1970),

[5] Keel, p. 178.

[6] Budd Hopkins, 'Intruders: The Incredible Visitations at Copley
Woods' (New York: Ballantine, 1987).

[7] Keel, p. 173.

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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Ogden Objects
Date: 1 Sep 91 15:55:00 GMT

Clark,
        Your message REALLY has my curiosity aroused and I will call
your BBS to pursue it further.  Thanks very much for the help!
                                ==Peggy==
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 470

                         Wednesday, September 4th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                   Thank you!
                               the Mandelbrot set
                          Re: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3]
                                   OLD TITLES
                              Re: MORTON DOWNEY JR.
                                Re: ALIEN LIAISON
                                    Re: ussr
                               Re: New UFO Titles!
                                   OLD TITLES
                               Re: Epilepsy & Dogs
                             Re: CATTLE MUTILATIONS
                               Ickleton Mandelbrot
                      Crop Circles. The Ickleton Mandelbrot
                            UFO Conference in Orlando
                               Re: Epilepsy & Dogs
                        Mysterious Roar Heard By Some...
                          Re: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3]
                          Re: How old are the 'greys'?
                          Re: How old are the 'greys'?
                           Re: Alien Liaison & Bob O.
                          Re: How old are the 'greys'?
                                  Ufo Tie-Ins?

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Thank you!
Date: 2 Sep 91 01:40:00 GMT

Roger,

Thank you for the thorough investigation and reporting you did on the Blue
Grass, Iowa crop circle.  Your work is outstanding!

Mike

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: the Mandelbrot set
Date: 2 Sep 91 05:31:56 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

Someone gave me a program to generate the Mandelbrot set in ASCII
characters last year.  When I locate the thing among the chaos of my filing
system, I'll post one for people who don't know what we're talking about.

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3]
Date: 1 Sep 91 20:00:00 GMT

Did Mr. Markowitz view the same tape as I did???  How did he manage to
make out what any of the "planes" were going so far as identifing the
lead plane as a 182 and the rest as 152's (and not 150's !!)????
  He messages seemed to get more and more disjointed as he went on too.
 As to the supposed absence of further HV UFO reports after the FAA
warned to pilots to stop - I didn't think there had been a cessation of
further reports??  He may be right in his criticism of the lack of
followup and/or good documentation of just exactly what JPL did and
didn't do in the way of analysis and written reports.  The lack of
written reports from the "experts" seems common unfortunately with far
too many "facts" and analysis seemingly being mostly word of mouth and
off the cuff stuff.

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: OLD TITLES
Date: 29 Aug 91 17:23:30 GMT

"Gateway to Oblivion" about the Great Lakes ship disasters. Sort of a
Bermuda Triangle angle. If you see it tell me how much. I'll be hitting the
library next week. I finally got a UWM card, which is Univ. Of WI. Milwaukee.
They seem to have more books than the main library here. Actually probably
less fiction so more that I wish to use. Also has a computer search I can
dial in and check the card catalog. I'll punch up UFO and Paranormal next
week for the folks here at Paranet. Might bring some new titles to light.
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: MORTON DOWNEY JR.
Date: 29 Aug 91 17:52:51 GMT

I hope old Mort changed or the result will be Phil throwing a chair at you
and the crowd rushing the stage. (or visa versa?) The show was such a setup
by the end it was sick. He baited people and then threw them off without
allowing a fair debate. I didn't agree with most of the people he threw off,
but the point is that issues cannot be resolved by the tactics he used to
use.

I'll be looking forward to this one, considering what you have said, a fair
forum for debating non-mainstream topics can be informative as well as
entertaining. Go get em...
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: ALIEN LIAISON
Date: 29 Aug 91 17:55:59 GMT

Get that copier warmed up and please send me a copy. PO box 17052 Milwaukee,
WI 53217 I'll see what I have here in return. How about tapes of my talking
cat <just kidding>. I try to return the favor somehow.
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From: [e-mail] (Danny Brandenburg)
Subject: Re: ussr
Date: 30 Aug 91 21:40:12 GMT

>we came across some reliable reports that indicate the evidence
    I must first ask your criteria for "reliable".  Were the reports
from respected scientists?  Were they from locals?  Children?



> sources include Antonio Huneeus and articles in UFO magazine.

    Since I am new to this group I must ask about Antonio Huneeus.  Who
is he (sorry)?  I would also like to know how articles in UFO Magazine
get there.  I mean, are the articles submitted by anyone or are their
professional writers that are employed (no contracted) by UFO Magazine?
Also, what are the backgrounds of the writers (ie. scientists, fiction
writers, new agers, psychologists...)?

               Just wanting some clarification,

                Danny Brandenburg


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 31 Aug 91 05:17:38 GMT


 >
 > Please post an address and I'll snailmail a check to
 > you for the
 > Vallee book

Thanks! The name and address is:

AZTEC
PO Box 668
Bushkill PA 18324.

Once again it's Friday so I'm unable to check on Magnonia
for you. I will though and I'll let you know.

Also, you'll have to add $1.50 for shipping unless you
order at least one other book from the list below in which
case I'll ship for free.  I really feel bad that I have to
charge $1.50 to ship a $6.95 book but the truth is that
shipping bags and/or boxes aren't cheap - not to mention
the postage. So if you see a book below that interests you,
you're better off putting the $1.50 towards it's purchase
price than to pay it in shipping.

+++
Confrontations.    Vallee, Jacques, 232 pgs, pprbk       $ 4.95
Circular Evidence. Delgado/Andrews, 191 pgs, pprbk        14.95
     Many color photos.
Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies  8.95
     C.G. Jung, (reissue) 138 pages, pprbk
Fatima Prophecy. Ray Stanford, 256 pgs, pprbk              4.95
UFO Crash at Roswell. Randle/Schmitt  288 pgs, pprbk       4.95
+++
Or all 5 for $35.00 shipping included to the lower 48
states. Ask for the Bikini Special!

Items can be ordered individually but add shipping charges:

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: OLD TITLES
Date: 31 Aug 91 05:22:07 GMT


 > "Gateway to Oblivion" about the Great Lakes ship
 > disasters.

OK Pete. I have a database of people and what titles they're
looking for. I make no promises but one never knows what I
may come accross!

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Epilepsy & Dogs
Date: 29 Aug 91 17:24:00 GMT

CM>I wonder if accidents of birth or actual injuries can endow humans with
CM>capabilities similar to your hypothetical psychic dog.  Tesla claimed that
CM>he could "hear" his EM radiation...

'Ringing in the ears' is more likely the possibility.



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From: [e-mail] (Tyson Mitchiner)
Subject: Re: CATTLE MUTILATIONS
Date: 30 Aug 91 02:54:00 GMT

PP>Cattle Mute. is an interesting question. Here we have evidence of something
PP>happening and don't know why or how. Just for interest sake a bit of
PP>information. A knife made from stone (obsidian for a prime example) is
PP>sharper that the best surgical steel used in hospitals today. Good flint
PP>impliments can have thickness down to microns, along with the natural
PP>serrations. If someone is using "crude" tools, they can make better, sharper
PP>cuts than we would get in the hospital.

  What gets to me about those cattle mutilations is the great care to do
  it so quickly and efficiently.  If satanists are the cause, as is
  implied at times, why do they take such great care to drain every drop
  of blood, to remove organs without significant mutilation of the rest
  of the body.  A mutilation done by satanists would (in my opinion) be
  a lot more messy and crude.

  This cattle mutilation thing is very mystifying, indeed.  I hope we
  figure out the reason and cause soon.  I'm curious, regarding your
  "crude tools" post, do you have any idea or theory why someone would
  use those tools and not normal tools?

                                                Tyson
 + SLMR 2.0 + From an explorer.............


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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: Ickleton Mandelbrot
Date: 30 Aug 91 09:16:02 GMT


Just got this off the Internet tonight:

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Article 1511 of alt.alien.visitors:
From: [e-mail] (Robert Trevelyan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Crop Circles. The Ickleton Mandelbrot
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Date: 27 Aug 91 08:21:06 GMT
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                The Ickleton Mandelbrot
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        A strange formation appeared the night of August 11/12 in a
        wheatfield on a hill top 10 miles south of Cambridge, England.
        The was reported to be a heart-shaped formation but on closer
        observation found it to be far more than any "normal" crop
        circle.

        This new formation was in fact a Mandelbrot ! and was 100 yards
        in length. A colleague of mine visited the site and confirmed
        that the formation was in fact, as near as possible, a complete
        Mandelbrot set. The large cartoid component was about 120ft across,
        tangential to this was a circle of 47ft diameter and on top of this
        again a 16ft circle. Attached to each side of the cardoid was three
        smaller unequal circles, the size of each matching its partner on
        the opposite side of the cartoid. Tiny circles also existed and
        were attached to the outside of the centre ones and also on the
        47ft circle. These tiny circles were as small as 16 inches and
        were attached to the main body and mirrored about the central axis.
        I have viewed a computer  program that creates this Mandelbrot Set
        and all circles and conponents were found to be exactly placed.

        Presumed at first to be an elaborate hoax perpetrated by mathematic
        students at Cambridge University this was denied by them. Each
        circle was perfect and was swirled in a clockwise direction even
        down to a single stalk in the centre of the cartoid. Aerial photographs
        have been taken by my colleague but unfortunately on returning the
        next day he found that the farmer had driven his combine harvester
        straight through the formation destroying this fantastic work of art.
        I understand that copies of these photos are on their way to
        Benoit B. Mandelbrot, a research fellow at IBM Yorktown Heights, NY.

        who from work with fractal geometry and the mathematical study of
        forms having a fractional dimension has termed the Mandelbrot Set.
        Fractal geometry is used in the study of chaos and also in the study

        of growth patterns in the natural world.

        For those of you that like the heavy stuff on Mandelbrot here it is:


        From "Scientific American" August 1985..

        "The Mandelbrot set broods in silent complexity at the centre of a
        vast two-dimensional sheet of numbers called the complex plane.
        When a certain operation is applied repeatedly to the numbers, the
        ones outside the set flee to infinity and the numbers inside remain
        to drift or dance about. Close to the boundary minutely choreographed
        wanderings mark the onset of instability. Here is an infinite regress
        of detail which astonishes us with its variety, its complexity and
        its strange beauty."

        This fantastic and unexplainable formation was feature with
        a photograph in 26 August 1991 "Sunday Telegraph" and one can
        see from the photograph that it really is very precise.
        If anyone has a Mandelbrot computer graphics program I strongly
        suggest that you run it and view the end result because it is so
        similar to the Ickleton Mandelbrot its unreal.

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: UFO Conference in Orlando
Date: 30 Aug 91 17:34:00 GMT


 LB>    The UFO conference in Fla. had a poor turn-out?  That's
 LB> too bad.

  Awful turnout.
  You probable didn't see the first flyers. The word Alien was even spelled
wrong. Then that was corrected, but the prices were still absurd.
  Some flyers were distributed, the conference was mentioned here a few
times, but apparently that was the extent of the advertising.
  At Jim Greenen's insistence, they cut the prices in half, but failed to
spread that info.
  The probably should have had it before the MUFON symposium, not just
after, and not after school started.
  BTW, they were told most of this long and loud from the start. If you
can't pack the house by featuring Bill English, Ed Walters and Wendelle
Stevens, you're definitely doing something wrong.

                                        jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Epilepsy & Dogs
Date: 30 Aug 91 17:35:01 GMT


 CM>   Tesla claimed that he could "hear" his EM
 CM> radiation...

  Strange, but I guess it's possible.

                                jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Mysterious Roar Heard By Some...
Date: 31 Aug 91 04:58:00 GMT


 > I wanted to put this article here as it sounds very much like what a
 > witness told Roger Black he heard on the night that a crop circle was
 > formed in Iowa. More on this will follow.

  Also note that the two small swirled circles found in Shoreline Park in Gulf
Breeze were found the day after a "skyquake." What they're calling a skyquake
is a 10-15 sec. very low rumble that rattles doors etc, but there's no seismic
trace, and no one acknowledges flying supersonic anywhere nearby.
  I experienced two back in the early '80s when I lived about 200 miles east of
Pensacola. Rather eerie. The ground doesn't shake, but walls, doors, windows
etc. do.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3]
Date: 2 Sep 91 15:51:00 GMT

In a message to Jim Speiser <09-01-91 13:00> Jim Delton wrote:

JD>  Did Mr. Markowitz view the same tape as I did???  How did he manage


Ha ha! Yes, he did. I made sure of that.

JD>  to make out what any of the "planes" were going so far as identifing
JD>  the lead plane as a 182 and the rest as 152's (and not 150's !!)????

That is exactly what I asked him in a previous message - on what basis was
that determination made? As you can see, he failed to respond.

JD>  too.  As to the supposed absence of further HV UFO reports after the
JD>  FAA warned to pilots to stop - I didn't think there had been a
JD>  cessation of further reports??  He may be right in his criticism of

Right again. Markowitz depended totally and *unquestioningly* on Klass, who
turns out to be completely wrong. I think this demonstrates the problem with
SOME skeptics - they don't realize that skepticism, in order to be useful,
MUST be self-referencing. Its not fair to question whether a UFO witness is
telling the truth if you're not willing to do the same for a debunker.

JD>  JPL did and didn't do in the way of analysis and written reports.

JPL proper didn't do much, however a JPL scientist, Al Hibbs, seems to have
done a fairly in-depth analysis, the results of which were presented on one
of the tapes I sent Maury. The words Al used were, "in this case, no
explanation is given, and I see no reason to give one." Maury objects to the
narrators translation, "in other words, it remains unexplained." Yet I don't
see how else it could be interpreted, do you?

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: How old are the 'greys'?
Date: 2 Sep 91 15:57:00 GMT

In a message to All <09-01-91 12:08> cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu!al463

no>  I have in my posession a comic book dated April, 1967 (Flying
no>  Saucers,
no>  #1  DELL). The aliens are depicted as being pale white, with large
no>  heads, and large eyes. They are short in stature and look very much
no>  like what we would call a 'grey'; too much to be a coincidence.

That is a VERY important find, Chris. I don't know of anything else going
back that far with a description that close.

Of course, now Phil Klass will say that anyone who describes the Grays thus
just HAS to have read that comic book, and have it buried in their
subconscious.

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: How old are the 'greys'?
Date: 2 Sep 91 15:57:00 GMT

In a message to All <09-01-91 12:08> ncar!cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu!al463@scicoHow old

no>  I have in my posession a comic book dated April, 1967 (Flying
no>  Saucers,
no>  #1  DELL). The aliens are depicted as being pale white, with large
no>  heads, and large eyes. They are short in stature and look very much
no>  like what we would call a 'grey'; too much to be a coincidence.

That is a VERY important find, Chris. I don't know of anything else going
back that far with a description that close.

Of course, now Phil Klass will say that anyone who describes the Grays thus
just HAS to have read that comic book, and have it buried in their
subconscious.

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Alien Liaison & Bob O.
Date: 2 Sep 91 22:20:00 GMT

Hi Keith,

Thanks for the interesting info regarding the spheres in Australia.
That info rang a bell in my head; may have heard it before...

Would you like me to send you an interview of Bob Oechsler conducted
by writer Antonio Huneeus?  I'm sure by now Antonio is hooping no one
remembers this interview which came out only a couple of months ago in
a magazine called UFO UNIVERSE, edited by Timothy Green Beckley.  This
publication has a tendency to dramatize things, and publish lots of
photos without captions and which do not really pertain to the story at
hand.

Don't say "no" just because of the extra postage--I'll be happy to send
this article to you.

Best regards,

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: How old are the 'greys'?
Date: 2 Sep 91 22:52:00 GMT

Hi Chris,

Would you please send me a copy of one-two pages of that comic book you
have showing the "gray alien?"  I'll be happy to send $ome ca$h to
defray the postage and copy cost.  Can you give me an address, or do
you want mine first?

Thanks, and best regards,

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (John Hrusovszky)
Subject: Ufo Tie-Ins?
Date: 3 Sep 91 04:58:53 GMT

Something has been bugging me for quite some time.  It is the
relationship of Fatima and UFO's.  Does anyone have any information at
all about the 3'rd revealing of Fatima that I have heard mentioned?



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